Vapor XXXX mismounts

[sage540 0]

Anyone else experience this? Purchased a new pair of these skates and the left holder is clearly off center. So I take the skate to my local LHS and sure enough, they are seeing the same issues from other buyers. In fact, I picked up a display model and witnessed the same issue.

Anyway, they are returning to Bauer for me. Be careful. I had the same issues with my XX's and XXX's.

[Cavs019 710]

Deja Vu

[joshy207 15]

When are these manufacturers going to figure this out? Having a properly mounted/aligned blade is THE most important thing regarding skates. When a blade is mismounted, all features of the skate have been tossed out the window, because it's difficult if not impossible to skate on it. It's even dangerous.

Equate it to cars--you can build the perfect performance car, make it comfortable to sit in, put every feature under the sun in it, but if the tires aren't perfectly mounted and balanced, it's a deathtrap.

You're better off skating in old-school Bauer Challengers with great steel than you are in TheLatestAndGreatestAndLightest with a mismounted blade.

[sgpuck27 0]

thats funny, because ive had the same problem with bauer a couple times. first on the original vapor 10's and then on the vapor XX's, i returned them and bauer sent me some re mounted ones

[djinferno 2]

almost every skate company seems to overlook this problem but Bauer and Graf seems to be the worst...

Every time I pick up a pair to try on, one seems to be mounted on the inside and the other on the outside, last pair was a one90...

I injured my back as result of this and as anyone who knows about back injuries, you never fully recover at a certain age...

I had to send skates back 4 times to Mission to get a matching pair...

I really think that at the price point skates are now, thy should have the boot and blades sold seperatelly... This way you could chose a XXXX and chose a pitch 3 blade and have them mounted at the LHS...

I have to give a honorable mention to Easton that seems to have very little issues with this...

[mew1838 0]

Had a problem with vector pros mounting but the 10.0s they sent back was PERFECT. Mission mounting seems to be good too on my S500.

[D aka speck 0]

almost every skate company seems to overlook this problem but Bauer and Graf seems to be the worst...

Every time I pick up a pair to try on, one seems to be mounted on the inside and the other on the outside, last pair was a one90...

I injured my back as result of this and as anyone who knows about back injuries, you never fully recover at a certain age...

I had to send skates back 4 times to Mission to get a matching pair...

I really think that at the price point skates are now, thy should have the boot and blades sold seperatelly... This way you could chose a XXXX and chose a pitch 3 blade and have them mounted at the LHS...

I have to give a honorable mention to Easton that seems to have very little issues with this...

You say Bauer and Graf are the worst, then go on to talk about Mission. Was that an educated guess?!

Somewhere in the middle you talk about back injuries from skates. Not overly helpful. How did skate runners injure your back?

[djinferno 2]

hey sage540, you asked hopefully you will read

http://www.modsquadhockey.com/forums/index...=30438&st=0

[Gongshow11 1]

every bauer model has mismoutned pairs, that's what you get for an assembly line. My last 3 pairs of bauers have been mismounted, pay the $15 to get them fixed.

[joshy207 15]

"Assembly line" is no excuse. 10-15 years ago this was not a problem. It should not be a problem now. Manufacturers need to QC their product better and if needed, refine the blade mounting process. Also, it should not be up to the consumer to pay to have defective product fixed.

[thehighlife 0]

The blade mounting process is a person at the end of the line with a rivet machine.

[TBLfan 25]

mine are off but barely. Right now I can't tell whether it's really bothering me, I'm still adjusting to the rocker and being on my heels more. It's only off by about a mm, maybe 1 1/2 mm.

[Wolfpack_1986 154]

I really think that at the price point skates are now, thy should have the boot and blades sold seperatelly... This way you could chose a XXXX and chose a pitch 3 blade and have them mounted at the LHS...

so some stupid putz that doesnt know what he's doing messes up even worse?

[djinferno 2]

dude i refuse to pay top dollar because of this, trupidest thing ever, no 2 skates are the same, you have to open many boxes and mix and match, makes online buying imposible...

I really think that at the price point skates are now, thy should have the boot and blades sold seperatelly... This way you could chose a XXXX and chose a pitch 3 blade and have them mounted at the LHS...

so some stupid putz that doesnt know what he's doing messes up even worse?

Not necessarely, allot of local hockey stores are very competent, in fact guys like JR would put your blade where you want it... most pros do this...

In the event that they mess it up, I would just not pay...

[Wolfpack_1986 154]

right, but you have to realize that not every shop has someone who genuinely KNOWS what they're doing.

Take NC for example. there's only two people I'd trust to mount a blade on my skate, especially one with no holes, and it's the equipment manager for the hurricanes and his son. Not everyone around here has the same know how and skill as someone like, JR for example.

[djinferno 2]

right, but you have to realize that not every shop has someone who genuinely KNOWS what they're doing.

Take NC for example. there's only two people I'd trust to mount a blade on my skate, especially one with no holes, and it's the equipment manager for the hurricanes and his son. Not everyone around here has the same know how and skill as someone like, JR for example.

if skates where sold this way, peoples skill level would obviously be elevated...

[Wolfpack_1986 154]

people who do this all day will have higher success rates. practice makes perfect. its the whole assembly line concept.

diversification leads to not being the best at any one thing. so a mounter, sharpener, baker, general store guy wont have nearly the experience as a factory based mounter.....

your logic is flawed

[Jordan 13]

people who do this all day will have higher success rates. practice makes perfect. its the whole assembly line concept.

diversification leads to not being the best at any one thing. so a mounter, sharpener, baker, general store guy wont have nearly the experience as a factory based mounter.....

Not Always. The exception to this rule is when the factory worker is rushed. if they are paid by the piece and there is a lack of QC then one can easily have a lower quality mount in a factory.

The thing that surprises me, is that they don't have some sort of jig or scanner that forces a correct mount in the factory. On, How it's Made, on the skate manufacturing segment (Bauer), the worker just eye-balled the set-up. That surprised me.

[Wolfpack_1986 154]

exactly, it's a QC problem. slow down production if you have to. It will be a hell of a lot more reliable than having LHS's mount holders on boots themselves. Like I mentioned before... people arent always trained the right away, nor do they always know the problems they can cause by sloppiness

[TBLfan 25]

even if you slow it down, mistakes will be made. They're human and after anyone does enough things repetitively mistakes become more and more common.

[JGraz15 55]

These skates have been available to the public for a little more than a month now...what are the initial impressions?

[barrett 0]

I have only skated on my once , but so far they have been nice. The stifness took some getting use to , but a great skate . I find the skate amazingly comfortable. Coming from 80-90's.

[TBLfan 25]

much more responsive than my tacks were. Love the stiffness of the boot but like the old vapors seems to cut somewhat easily. I've been playing with a strained quad muscle(that I think I made worse last game) and haven't been able to really push these things hard but so far so good.

There are a few minor things I don't really care for:

1) seems like all the left skate's holders are off, even if it's like mine and it's only .5-1.5mm off(this isn't such a minor issue).

2) The insoles are too big and require trimming.

3) The laces are too long.

[barrett 0]

3) The laces are too long

Really?? I have found mine way to short. Just barely ale to be done up. Do you have the grey with black slattered laces.

[TBLfan 25]

yeah, what size do you have? I'm in 10.5 and they are about 8" or more too long. Luckily, now that I'm not tucking the shins I can tuck the laces under the shins or else they'd be dragging on the ice. <_<