2008 NYR Thread

[DarkStar50 679]

1. What has Hanlon done to deserve to keep his job?

2. Fire Renney? Who is taking over?

3. Projected totals are just that: bs guesses.

4. I'd hate to see Ottawa with an average goalie. I'd hate to see Anaheim with an average goalie.

[jay 1]

4. I'd hate to see Ottawa with an average goalie. I'd hate to see Anaheim with an average goalie.

Ottawa would be at least .500 with an average goalie, the Rangers on the other hand would be more like be 3-20-1.

From what I've seen of Dubi he's got all the tools to be a top line player except the ability to finish. He's created lots of chances, drawn penalties, played well in his own end, even dropped the gloves a couple of times. It just seems he couldn't hit a soccer net from 5 feet if his life depended on it. He must be practicing with the rest of the team.

[Eazy_b97 1]

Ottawa has a below average goalie and Anahiem had a playoff run with a goalie they just waived.

[DarkStar50 679]

Anaheim has a goalie that won the Conn Smythe and a Cup in two different runs.

[Theo 1]

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The question was raised whether the Rangers are panicking because of their sluggish offense, to which I’ll respond:

Hello? Do you not even remember last season?

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Um, nobody ever panics. Haven't you noticed? Glen Hanlon wasn't panicking and he just got $hitcanned. Armstrong in Dallas didn't panic and where's he? People never panic. They aren't allowed to. It's a sign of weakness and a sign that something is wrong. Nobody ever wants to admit that.

I'm not saying the Rangers won't right the ship. But it isn't right, now. Aside from Philly, they haven't beat anyone worth mentioning. They lost both games to Ottawa pretty badly (even though one was only a 1 goal game, it didn't reflect how the game was). And they aren't beating ANYONE with any kind of credibility. Beating somone by one goal isn't what I'd call definitive.

To me, Jagr has been a dissappointment. For whatever reason or reasons, an estimated 14 goal year won't cut it. Gomez and Drury have been ok, but not outstanding. If they had anyone else but Lundqvist in net, the outcomes of a lot of the wins they've had would have been different.

The Rangers players were saying how they had chances vs Dallas, but couldn't put it away. HELLO! Dallas did! That's what good teams do. That's what contenders do. At this point, the Rangers are not true contenders. Their inability to take charge in a game, shut people down, and keep them down is going to bite them in the ass. They need to keep leads and put teams away. They haven't. Scoring 3 goals a game or less won't do it.

Lastly, I was at the game vs Dallas and I'm pretty sure I wasn't the only one chanting "Fire Renney"... but I guess they aren't "True Blue", huh?

Sure, Lundqvist has been key and without him we probably suck. You can say the same for quite a few teams with even good to above average goalies. Oh, BTW- Here are Vally's stats this season:

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/188...l3X0fMREqRivLYF

-There goes that argument and theory. Sure, the sample size is small, but it shows very similar stats to Lundy

But defensively we have been good and our system has been pretty good as well. Lowest GA in the league I believe.

"Fire Renney" is a little extreme at this point. If I can blame him on anything, he overthinks the little things and should take more control of the PP situation. Other than that, he has been a huge part of our success and the chants are started by asshats.

You say scoring 3 goals a game or less won't do it, but look at our record.

At this point the Rangers are not big contenders? Big whoop. I don't want to be flying on all cylinders until Feb, March, April, May, etc. Of course, during the meantime you have to be respectable so you can actually reach the playoffs. Our scoring needs to finish, sure. But some people are not looking at the big picture here, in my opinion.

Hey DS- You get my PM last week, btw

[#96 0]

Ottawa and Anaheim are teams that can put people away. They are teams that roll several lines that can shut down opponents and contribute offensively. Their depth allows for shortcomings in goal or close games where not putting away enough chances can still lead to a win.

The Rangers do not have that luxury. They are rolling their 4 lines moreso than I've ever seen them do, but only 2 lines contribute offensivley, and even then, only do so inconsistently. Their overal lack of the depth when compared to Anaheim, Ottawa or teams like them, means they cannot afford to miss chances or fall asleep for minutes at time (which they are prone to do, and costs them terribly).

As far as the Renney chant, I agree it's not necessarily substantiated, but I was just making the point that thousands of other people at the game were chanting it, so I am not the only disgruntled Ranger fan, although I seem to be the only one here not drinking the Jagr-Renney-Dolan-Ade.

Darkstar-My point about Hanlon was that the writing was on the wall, and had been for some time. Yet, he never showed signs of panicking, never admitted that things were so bad, he should lose his job. My point was that even in the face of disaster, people in those positions do not and should not admit weakness or problems in the system. That being said, and to reiterate the original point, why would Renney admit there are serious problems? Answer: He won't, and most likely never will. Yet Jagr still isn't scoring, chemistry is still questionable, PP sucks, they can't put teams away, can't beat the top teams in the league, etc., etc.

But nothing is wrong, is it?

[DarkStar50 679]

Actually, no. This is normal for the Rangers and Rangers fans. Things never go as you want them to or as you think they should. Things never go a certain way just because you think you have things in place that will make them go the way you want. This is called life. It happens this way in business, it happens this way in relationships, it happens this way in sports. Feel free to complain, you bought a ticket. Feel free to piss and moan, everybody else does. Feel free to bitch, it makes you feel better. Everyone has different ways to use their energy.

"Life is 90% circumstances. 10% is how you deal with it."

Lou Holtz

There is very little you can actually control in life. How and what your team does is one of them, even for the coach.

[Theo 1]

Ottawa and Anaheim are teams that can put people away. They are teams that roll several lines that can shut down opponents and contribute offensively. Their depth allows for shortcomings in goal or close games where not putting away enough chances can still lead to a win.

The Rangers do not have that luxury. They are rolling their 4 lines moreso than I've ever seen them do, but only 2 lines contribute offensivley, and even then, only do so inconsistently. Their overal lack of the depth when compared to Anaheim, Ottawa or teams like them, means they cannot afford to miss chances or fall asleep for minutes at time (which they are prone to do, and costs them terribly).

As far as the Renney chant, I agree it's not necessarily substantiated, but I was just making the point that thousands of other people at the game were chanting it, so I am not the only disgruntled Ranger fan, although I seem to be the only one here not drinking the Jagr-Renney-Dolan-Ade.

Darkstar-My point about Hanlon was that the writing was on the wall, and had been for some time. Yet, he never showed signs of panicking, never admitted that things were so bad, he should lose his job. My point was that even in the face of disaster, people in those positions do not and should not admit weakness or problems in the system. That being said, and to reiterate the original point, why would Renney admit there are serious problems? Answer: He won't, and most likely never will. Yet Jagr still isn't scoring, chemistry is still questionable, PP sucks, they can't put teams away, can't beat the top teams in the league, etc., etc.

But nothing is wrong, is it?

I've admitted quite a lot that the offense has to find it's way. That is what is wrong, no disagreement. But the bottom line is that we have a respectable record and what is important is really working (defensively and goaltending). You ask what would happen if we have no Lundqvist. Well, what would happen if we actually had some chemistry and scoring. We would only lose about 3 games or so thus far. But ifs and buts...

Comparing us to Anaheim and Ottawa just doesn't fly with me. Just two years ago we were projected to go in last place,those two teams have been power-houses for a while. We are still very much a work in progress and while we should go for it this year and are, the kids we are in our system are going to make us the legit powerhouses starting very shortly. I think we have great potential this year though, no doubt about that. We have a lot of depth up front, IMO. Jagr, Straka, Avery, Shanahan, Drury, Gomez, Cally, Prucha, Betts. Those are all quality players, some haven't found their role or chemistry yet though. The deph is there, chemstry is not

Renney or any coach should not really put down his team or address weaknesses to the media, IMO. It should be mainly an inhouse issue. Some coaches do it all the time though.

[#96 0]

Well, what would happen if we actually had some chemistry and scoring. We would only lose about 3 games or so thus far. But ifs and buts...

That's actually a really good question. Well, with the New NHL, high scoring teams are supposed to be winning games. So, technically, yes, a better offense should lead to more wins. But in reality, we all know it's the defense that can prove to be the game maker. Which is why the Rangers have the record they have. I don't think it will take much to spark the O, we just have too much talent, but something is missing. I think a tweak here or there and/or the addition of somone might help.

DarkStar - You have a very laid back attitude about the team and its performance. I'm assuming that comes after a succession of letdowns, year in and year out. As you said, you've been seeing the Rangers play badly since 68. To me, I expect more. I expect my team to compete everynight. To give 110% and make me, the fan, proud to call myself a fan. Now that I'm a season ticket holder and don't just watch the games on tv, I think I expect even more. I also don't think that is asking too much. I've been a Ranger fan as long as I can remember, I'm 28 now, so that's almost 30 years of Ranger let downs. But the expectation is there year in and year out, without fail. If I just watched a game, paid the season ticket money and had the attitude, "Well, better luck next time", I'd be kidding myself. If I buy a car and put blood, sweat and tears into it, and it dies out on me, should I not be pissed? Should I not expect that after all I put into it, it should work? I would think so.

[Theo 1]

But the team has been giving everything they have. If they were not, they would not be above 500 while scoring only 3 goals or so a game. Really, during Renney's tenure here you have had hard working teams overall. Just because these guys are not scoring does not mean they are not working out there. You can say a few things on this team, but they are working on both sides of the puck. The offensive results are not there, but that is not from a lack of work ethic. It is from guys not finishing and the chemistry still not being there

[#96 0]

But the team has been giving everything they have. If they were not, they would not be above 500 while scoring only 3 goals or so a game. Really, during Renney's tenure here you have had hard working teams overall. Just because these guys are not scoring does not mean they are not working out there. You can say a few things on this team, but they are working on both sides of the puck. The offensive results are not there, but that is not from a lack of work ethic. It is from guys not finishing and the chemistry still not being there

I wasn't saying they weren't trying or working. I was just responding to DS's comments about being so passe about the team in general, and to not let it affect you too much because, "Life will go on". However, the proof is in the pudding. And the pudding isn't that good, right now. Results, results, results.

In other news, Avery is having arthroscopic surgery. That shot he took from Shanny hurt him more than he wanted to admit. He's done for another 2-4.

[DarkStar50 679]

#96, the math is a bit screwed up. You are 28 yo and have 30 years of Rangers letdowns? What? You were pissed off about the work ethic of the 77 Rangers with Espo, Gilbert, Hodge, Murdoch, Vickers, Tkaczuk, and Vadnais coached by John Ferguson(RIP) not making the playoffs? This happened while your father was still painting the wall with you-know-what two years before he met your mom? No wonder you are so pissed off. This is a lot of angst to carry around but that goes with the territory.

Seriously, my life goes on attitude is grounded in the fact that I did breathe, live, and die with the Rangers when I was your age and younger over 30 years ago. I have seen it all before. It will happen again. You want to get pissed off because you paid your money, more power to you. My experience is just don't expect it to change a thing. I have seen the Rangers fire a coach 4 games before the playoffs started. I have seen the Rangers do more with less for years and years only to get bounced in the playoffs by the Islanders. I have seen a whole lot of things happen to the Rangers that I know better than to get my shorts in a bunch over what happens in November and December. I know they should be playing better with this talent but they are not finishing in the attack zone. Jagr should have more goals, Drury should have more points, and Gomez should have more of both. However, as long as they take care of their own end with their second rate D(according to the experts) and their world class goalie(which is the position you build a hockey team around), the results are producing points in the standings. Defence wins games. I know the standings are getting tighter. I know that the hot teams will turn cold and vice-versa. They always do, my friend, they always do.

This team would not be where they are without the systems and discipline of Coach Tom Renney. Take it to the bank. They bought in from Day 1 of the return from the lockout. Renney and his staff built the foundation that has brought the team this far. There is more work to be done. It is far from complete. However, it is a far cry from Ron Low, Brian Trottier, and Colin Campbell at the helm. With 30 teams in the NHL, the pickings are slim for players AND coaches. You are better off with the devil you know, than the devil you don't know.

Enjoy your passion for the Broadway Blueshirts. I encourage it. Just don't let it consume you because it will eat you alive if you are not careful.

[jay 1]

Just so this thread isn't entirely bitching after a Rangers loss, they played a solid game tonight albeit against an obviously tired Islanders team off a game with Ottawa the night before. Dubi finally finished one and Jagr took a shot and actually scored! Plus two PP goals both created simply by getting the puck to the front of the net. Only real negative was they still passed up or flubbed on a few too many good opportunities.

[#96 0]

#96, the math is a bit screwed up. You are 28 yo and have 30 years of Rangers letdowns? What? You were pissed off about the work ethic of the 77 Rangers with Espo, Gilbert, Hodge, Murdoch, Vickers, Tkaczuk, and Vadnais coached by John Ferguson(RIP) not making the playoffs? This happened while your father was still painting the wall with you-know-what two years before he met your mom? No wonder you are so pissed off. This is a lot of angst to carry around but that goes with the territory.

Seriously, my life goes on attitude is grounded in the fact that I did breathe, live, and die with the Rangers when I was your age and younger over 30 years ago. I have seen it all before. It will happen again. You want to get pissed off because you paid your money, more power to you. My experience is just don't expect it to change a thing. I have seen the Rangers fire a coach 4 games before the playoffs started. I have seen the Rangers do more with less for years and years only to get bounced in the playoffs by the Islanders. I have seen a whole lot of things happen to the Rangers that I know better than to get my shorts in a bunch over what happens in November and December. I know they should be playing better with this talent but they are not finishing in the attack zone. Jagr should have more goals, Drury should have more points, and Gomez should have more of both. However, as long as they take care of their own end with their second rate D(according to the experts) and their world class goalie(which is the position you build a hockey team around), the results are producing points in the standings. Defence wins games. I know the standings are getting tighter. I know that the hot teams will turn cold and vice-versa. They always do, my friend, they always do.

This team would not be where they are without the systems and discipline of Coach Tom Renney. Take it to the bank. They bought in from Day 1 of the return from the lockout. Renney and his staff built the foundation that has brought the team this far. There is more work to be done. It is far from complete. However, it is a far cry from Ron Low, Brian Trottier, and Colin Campbell at the helm. With 30 teams in the NHL, the pickings are slim for players AND coaches. You are better off with the devil you know, than the devil you don't know.

Enjoy your passion for the Broadway Blueshirts. I encourage it. Just don't let it consume you because it will eat you alive if you are not careful.

Go back and read my comment. I said "almost 30 years". If you're going to scrutinize, get it straight.

[Theo 1]

Just so this thread isn't entirely bitching after a Rangers loss, they played a solid game tonight albeit against an obviously tired Islanders team off a game with Ottawa the night before. Dubi finally finished one and Jagr took a shot and actually scored! Plus two PP goals both created simply by getting the puck to the front of the net. Only real negative was they still passed up or flubbed on a few too many good opportunities.

Only a few guys bitching, Jay :lol:

Chris Drury says what was noted a few posts ago:

"I didn't know that, but it's good," Drury said. "Hopefully there is more of that down the road. We're still just getting more and more comfortable every single day. In the big picture overall we're winning games. We've got 30 points. That's a little more important than any individual stuff."

[kosydar 0]

In other news, Avery is having arthroscopic surgery. That shot he took from Shanny hurt him more than he wanted to admit. He's done for another 2-4.

Justice in some sick way I guess? I'm disappointed he won't be there for the rematch.

http://www.torontosun.com/Sports/Hockey/20...697158-sun.html

[DarkStar50 679]

96,

If your 28 and have had almost 30 years of Rangers letdowns, that means you were watching the games in the maternity ward. I didn't know they had MSG Cable in the maternity ward. Just to set the record straight, what year was your first Rangers letdown?

Nice play end-to-end for Dubi's goal. Way to finish. It can be done.

[Theo 1]

In other news, Avery is having arthroscopic surgery. That shot he took from Shanny hurt him more than he wanted to admit. He's done for another 2-4.

Justice in some sick way I guess? I'm disappointed he won't be there for the rematch.

http://www.torontosun.com/Sports/Hockey/20...697158-sun.html

Karma's a bitch. Avery got a seperated shoulder earlier in the year as well. It all comes back in the end and he has surely taken his lumps, enough to offset any of the meanie things he says during games.

As far as the rematch, the 2 pts is on my mind.

[#96 0]

That was the win I wanted to see. I know Ottawa isn't playing well, but they are still the best in the East and have the capability to win any game.

I liked the effort from everybody. I won't mention how we fell asleep for most of the third. Lundqvist played well, again, and even though he didn't face a lot of rubber for 2 periods, the saves he was making were off what I felt were difficult shots. Neil is quickly becoming my most hated player, after Tucker. I was really hoping somone would step up and send him to the ice hurting.

That's a measuring stick kinda game. I wanna see us come out and play well against another good team in Carolina on Monday.

[Allsmokenopancake 0]

Rangers fans, here's a little something to take you down memory lane.

This will most likely invoke better memories than the 94 win...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duvWNZ68p1g

[jay 1]

OMG I've gawt to get me a pare of those jeens!

[Allsmokenopancake 0]

OMG I've gawt to get me a pare of those jeens!

They are gonna be like the Wii was last christmas, better get e-baying for them :lol:

[jay 1]

Last xmas? How about this xmas!

Obligatory on topic content: Who the hell are those players? Looks like Esposito (the fat one) but I didn't recognize any of the others.

[#96 0]

Well I dunno if DarkStar would say I'm a legitmate source to answer this question because I, "Was still in the maternity ward"...but it's Espo, Anders Hedberg, Ron Duguay, and I think Dave maloney (the C). Not sure on the last one though.

*Scratch that, Maloney was 12. I don't know who 26 is.

[DarkStar50 679]

Well I dunno if DarkStar would say I'm a legitmate source to answer this question because I, "Was still in the maternity ward"...but it's Espo, Anders Hedberg, Ron Duguay, and I think Dave maloney (the C). Not sure on the last one though.

*Scratch that, Maloney was 12. I don't know who 26 is.

and you call yourself a Rangers fan, True Blue?

Don Maloney was # 12, Dave Maloney was # 26.

As Chris Russo would say, "That's just a terrible job, Mikey, terrible job!"

You have got to know this stuff. :lol: