Nike Bauer 9500

[Hockey Player 0]

So obviously NBH will have their four 'main' helmets next year (4500, 5500, 8500, 9500), but I wonder at what point they will phase some of them out?

Good question.

[JR Boucicaut 3802]

So obviously NBH will have their four 'main' helmets next year (4500, 5500, 8500, 9500), but I wonder at what point they will phase some of them out?

Good question.

...and I answered it.

But I guess I have to go into more detail -

NBH 9500 $149.99

RBK 8K $139.99

Easton Stealth S17 $129.99

Cascade $119.99

NBH 8500 $109.99

Mission Intake $99.99

CCM Vector $89.99

NBH 5500 $79.99

NBH 4500 $64.99

Easton Stealth S9 VN $64.99

Make sense?

[TBLfan 25]

dammit. Did you say Stealth VN? Crap... Looks like I might be buying TWO new helmets. Fack!

[millencolin9387 0]

Wow, TBLfan, I completely knew you were going to come in and say that. I was about to post "Here comes TBLfan."

[Steve123 0]

Wow, someone's discovered NBHBiz.

They even posted or mentioned it on a video.

What is nbhbiz? a website for retailers?

[TBLfan 25]

Wow, TBLfan, I completely knew you were going to come in and say that. I was about to post "Here comes TBLfan."

Haha, good call. You guys are getting to know me too well!

And just when I bit the bullet and bought an EPP helmet(8K). The sad truth is that I'm considering buying a 4500 or 892 to do a foam swap.

[JR Boucicaut 3802]

Wow, someone's discovered NBHBiz.

They even posted or mentioned it on a video.

What is nbhbiz? a website for retailers?

NikeBauerBiz is a real-time inventory and order site for retailers.

You must have a NBH account to access it.

Easton has the same thing, same company actually.

There is a section of it that has high-resolution pictures of product. The 2008 stuff is on there already.

[Hockey Player 0]

Wow, TBLfan, I completely knew you were going to come in and say that. I was about to post "Here comes TBLfan."

Haha, good call. You guys are getting to know me too well!

And just when I bit the bullet and bought an EPP helmet(8K). The sad truth is that I'm considering buying a 4500 or 892 to do a foam swap.

That is sad.

[TheBert 0]

dammit. Did you say Stealth VN? Crap... Looks like I might be buying TWO new helmets. Fack!

Hope this doesn't go to OT, but has there been any real studies on the protective benefits of VN versus EPP in helmets? I kind of stay clear of EPP cause it seems less protective, but I'm not sure.

[TBLfan 25]

It's slightly more protective in a single hard hit, but once it's fractured it's actually dangerous to wear as it no longer offers sufficient protection. VN absorbs sweat so you don't have sweat dripping in your eyes, it's more comfortable and it will last through numerous hits until it gets hard. But we've talked about this subject to death.

[Hockey Player 0]

I like VN but never had an EPP helmet before. I don't know whether to return to VN or try EPP. This subject has been beaten to death already too.

[TBLfan 25]

I've played pickup with an EPP helmet and I hated it, I'm going to give the 8K a go as-is before I do anything and see if I can grow to like it.

[DarkStar50 679]

It's slightly more protective in a single hard hit, but once it's fractured it's actually dangerous to wear as it no longer offers sufficient protection. VN absorbs sweat so you don't have sweat dripping in your eyes, it's more comfortable and it will last through numerous hits until it gets hard. But we've talked about this subject to death.

I posed this question directly to the designers at NBH during the Summit Meeting . There is a world of difference between the EPP foam used in hockey helmets and the EPP foam used in cycling helmets. It is not the same foam!! A cycling helmet is a crash helmet. The cycling helmet is designed and made with an EPP foam(it is not even EPP exactly) that is designed for a single impact crash. That is why the cycling helmet must be discarded after one crash!! There is no way any hockey manufacturer would put into the marketplace or even pass certification standard testing a single impact foam. The new foam being used in the 9500 is called FXPP. It is a multi-impact foam. There is increased bead count per volume. This is optimizing the foam density of FXPP. There is a 20% improved impact result with FXPP over the EPP now being used in hockey helmets. When I posed the question of "one and done" for EPP hockey helmets, the designers were more than surprised. Once they explained the single crash properties of cycling helmets vs. multi-impact foams being used in hockey helmets, it was all too simple. Again, there is no way any helmet manufacturer would run the risk of liability using a single impact foam system in a hockey helmet.

[TBLfan 25]

While it's not the same as a cycling helmet it shares similar properties and is a LOT more likely to fracture that a VN. Admittenly it would take a very hard blow and/or a blow in the proper spot at the right amount of pressure but once it's fractured it's compromised. VN doesn't have that issue, but the shell of the helmet can be compromised by a heavy hit.

That still doesn't change the way I feel about VN. For me, the benefits of VN outweigh any small plus EPP gives you.

[Edge 0]

I saw the bucket about a week ago...looks pretty sharp, I like it. The back adjustment is awesome and you can really feel it lock to your head nice and firmly. I see all the custom colors being a big hit for team orders also. I just cant decide what is more comfortable and/or better looking....8k or this.

[D-MaN88 0]

I can't stand my 8k so I'm hoping this lasts til the Stealth and the 9500 comes out because I'm picking up one of those.

[Hockey Player 0]

It's slightly more protective in a single hard hit, but once it's fractured it's actually dangerous to wear as it no longer offers sufficient protection. VN absorbs sweat so you don't have sweat dripping in your eyes, it's more comfortable and it will last through numerous hits until it gets hard. But we've talked about this subject to death.

I posed this question directly to the designers at NBH during the Summit Meeting . There is a world of difference between the EPP foam used in hockey helmets and the EPP foam used in cycling helmets. It is not the same foam!! A cycling helmet is a crash helmet. The cycling helmet is designed and made with an EPP foam(it is not even EPP exactly) that is designed for a single impact crash. That is why the cycling helmet must be discarded after one crash!! There is no way any hockey manufacturer would put into the marketplace or even pass certification standard testing a single impact foam. The new foam being used in the 9500 is called FXPP. It is a multi-impact foam. There is increased bead count per volume. This is optimizing the foam density of FXPP. There is a 20% improved impact result with FXPP over the EPP now being used in hockey helmets. When I posed the question of "one and done" for EPP hockey helmets, the designers were more than surprised. Once they explained the single crash properties of cycling helmets vs. multi-impact foams being used in hockey helmets, it was all too simple. Again, there is no way any helmet manufacturer would run the risk of liability using a single impact foam system in a hockey helmet.

Interesting. Bike helmets are made out of EPS. Once you crash, it compresses and it's done. EPP is still good after a few hard hits. That, I knew for a few months.

[DarkStar50 679]

EPS, thank you. I knew it was EP... Just couldn't remember....Brain cramp, vapor freeze, brain lock, no, actually a senior moment.......

EPS cycling helmet foam

EPP 5500, 8500 foam

FXPP 9500 foam!!!!

[s Greens 0]

alfredsson was rockin the 9500 tonight

(cant find a decent picture on sportsline images tho)

[Viking 1]

Alfredsson has been a bit of a helmet whore since he got off the 690 train - he had an 8500, a 4500, now a 9500, and I think I saw him in an 8k once, but I might just be crazy/making that up. I'm somewhat glad he got a haircut and made the helmet change though, because I have long hair and wear a 690, so I don't want to look like I have a Perron-esque man-crush on him.

[Hockey Player 0]

EPS, thank you. I knew it was EP... Just couldn't remember....Brain cramp, vapor freeze, brain lock, no, actually a senior moment.......

EPS cycling helmet foam

EPP 5500, 8500 foam

FXPP 9500 foam!!!!

VN, 3500 foam

Dual Density VN, 4500 foam.

[the iceman 132]

[bigdaddykane 0]

Alfredsson has been a bit of a helmet whore since he got off the 690 train - he had an 8500, a 4500, now a 9500, and I think I saw him in an 8k once, but I might just be crazy/making that up. I'm somewhat glad he got a haircut and made the helmet change though, because I have long hair and wear a 690, so I don't want to look like I have a Perron-esque man-crush on him.

go see yahoo sports images he wore an intake for I believe like 3 shifts a game or two ago

[Viking 1]

I think if I went and searched for that, then I really would have a man-crush on him. I know he tried several different ones when he was coming off the 690; which I don't understand, because if there wasn't a new one he liked better, why not just stick with the 690?

Oh and also, 9500 is an aesthetic disappointment. Looks exactly the same as the 5500 (which doesn't look that great to start with).

[JR Boucicaut 3802]

Actually a combination of 4500/5500. Same profile as 4500.