Crosby Injured

[Michael9 57]

With Crosby out Malkin will much much more relied on offensivley. It will be a big test for him that will show us truley how good he is.

[Trooper 8]

In talking about the Crosby injury os TSN last night, Glen Healey blamed the stiffness of the boots. He said that with so little flex, they are leading to the number of high sprains that occur?

Any truth to that...or just Healey being a jerk.

There's truth to it when Healey shows me his degree in physics.

It's not complete BS. If the skate is so stiff that your foot won't bend in it, then the force applied on the foot is going to be generated upward, above the boot where some ligaments attach. It's common sense when you think of it. We've talked a lot about dispersion of forces on ski boots in some of my biomechanics classes, and the same principles can apply to todays hockey skates. The force just doesn't disappear.

Yes, that's the theory. I'm an engineer, there are a lot of things that seem like common sense that don't turn out to be true. And even if your theory is correct, common sense doesn't prove it. There are too many variables. Give me number of a certain type of injury in a given skate. Break it down into the type of force that was applied to the boot when the injury occurred. Then, that's only a starting point because it's still anecdotal without a control group.

[lee92 2]

In talking about the Crosby injury os TSN last night, Glen Healey blamed the stiffness of the boots. He said that with so little flex, they are leading to the number of high sprains that occur?

Any truth to that...or just Healey being a jerk.

There's truth to it when Healey shows me his degree in physics.

It's not complete BS. If the skate is so stiff that your foot won't bend in it, then the force applied on the foot is going to be generated upward, above the boot where some ligaments attach. It's common sense when you think of it. We've talked a lot about dispersion of forces on ski boots in some of my biomechanics classes, and the same principles can apply to todays hockey skates. The force just doesn't disappear.

Yes, that's the theory. I'm an engineer, there are a lot of things that seem like common sense that don't turn out to be true. And even if your theory is correct, common sense doesn't prove it. There are too many variables. Give me number of a certain type of injury in a given skate. Break it down into the type of force that was applied to the boot when the injury occurred. Then, that's only a starting point because it's still anecdotal without a control group.

Yes, it is a generality, and if you want to indulge into the scientific method and do a variety of research into the topic, be my guest. But when you have a boot that's stiff enough to hold the foot into position, and an outside force is placed onto the boot, the boot and foot aren't going to give. Instead, the force will be dispersed upward to a point where there is give, namely above the skate. It's a simple torsion-type problem.

[Medic 0]

So I guess the season is going to be postponed then?

[Hede 2]

No just the playoff if he not back then...

[Trooper 8]

In talking about the Crosby injury os TSN last night, Glen Healey blamed the stiffness of the boots. He said that with so little flex, they are leading to the number of high sprains that occur?

Any truth to that...or just Healey being a jerk.

There's truth to it when Healey shows me his degree in physics.

It's not complete BS. If the skate is so stiff that your foot won't bend in it, then the force applied on the foot is going to be generated upward, above the boot where some ligaments attach. It's common sense when you think of it. We've talked a lot about dispersion of forces on ski boots in some of my biomechanics classes, and the same principles can apply to todays hockey skates. The force just doesn't disappear.

Yes, that's the theory. I'm an engineer, there are a lot of things that seem like common sense that don't turn out to be true. And even if your theory is correct, common sense doesn't prove it. There are too many variables. Give me number of a certain type of injury in a given skate. Break it down into the type of force that was applied to the boot when the injury occurred. Then, that's only a starting point because it's still anecdotal without a control group.

Yes, it is a generality, and if you want to indulge into the scientific method and do a variety of research into the topic, be my guest. But when you have a boot that's stiff enough to hold the foot into position, and an outside force is placed onto the boot, the boot and foot aren't going to give. Instead, the force will be dispersed upward to a point where there is give, namely above the skate. It's a simple torsion-type problem.

Not doubting the validity of your opinion, but where are the numbers to prove this out? I've never seen one person show that there were X number of this injury before a certain year and X + whatever of the same type of injuries after a certain year and that there is a correlation between that year and a certain type of skate coming out.

Just because you hear of a couple high ankle sprains means nothing, once the media catches a buzzword, that's all you hear about. There could have been just as many in years past but they were just described as ankle sprains.

The difference between a regular ankle sprain and a high ankle sprain is the direction in which the foot twists. An outward twist results more often than not in a high sprain, while an inward twist results in a "regular" sprain. Don't see how boot stiffness has any bearing.

[jeffw 1]

Not to throw a monkey into the wrench but the goalie has a high ankle sprain and goalie skates are much lower cut than player skates.

[ktang 34]

In talking about the Crosby injury os TSN last night, Glen Healey blamed the stiffness of the boots. He said that with so little flex, they are leading to the number of high sprains that occur?

Any truth to that...or just Healey being a jerk.

I think he's talking about "ski-boot" injuries. But, that's an argument from the '70s, when zytel skate holders became popular. The argument was that, with the old post-and-tube holders, the holders used to fold on impact against the boards, instead of the ankle above the skate boot. Ski boots give the same type of injuries; breaks or high ankle sprains above the boot.

[mik3 1]

Malkin has pretty much played like a man possessed since Sid got hurt. Though it's only two games it seems like those timid moments he's had at times are completely gone.

[RadioGaGa 162]

Malkin has pretty much played like a man possessed since Sid got hurt. Though it's only two games it seems like those timid moments he's had at times are completely gone.

For Pittsburgh's sake, he better keep it up...Bobby Mac was painting a pretty bleak picture for Crosby tonight on TSN's pregame show.

[Swiss17 0]

They updated it this morning and he will now be out 6-8 weeks

[chef_ducky 0]

Speaking of teams looking to make a trade and not for goaltending...

Pitt has nobody worth mentioning at forward besides Malkin now that Sid is down. On top of that, Conklin is due up to turn ice cold. Maybe they'll take Jagr back?

I doubt they would take Jagr back, considering the way he is playing this year with the Rangers

[mik3 1]

Having watched a replay of it, the main difference between Ovechkin's hit on Malkin and Downie's on McAmmond were the outcomes.