Holders: LS2 vs RBII vs LS2 power?

[SolarWind 23]

Gents,

I used Easton 1500C for a season (2006 model but only got it in the summer last year) and had no complains, but now Razor Bladz II holders might be giving up on me (or a parabolic steel?) - I'm 5'11", 210# & skates wobble sometimes.

Having that said I read everything on this forum regarding different holders, and considering the fact that TUUKs are still used by at least 60% of the NHL I was thinking of changing RBII to LS2.

what I still don't fully get (as there seem to be a difference of opinions) whether LS2 is trully the stiffest holder or LS2 power is even stiffer?

Also is the radius (rocker) the same on both LS2 & LS2P?

How about the pitch? Seems like Custom+ required 3-5mm heel lift to make it neutral, and both LS2 & LS2P are neutral by default?

I heard that RBII is considered neutral, but somehow I feel it's a bit forward pitched?

And what about cobras? 5000 model?

Anyhow - I'd really appreciate any insides on the subject - what holder is the best for a heavy guy coming off RBII (or should I just stick to RBII if they aren't that bad)?

Thanks!

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[big_bt 0]

dont know much about the rbII

but the LS2 is probably the way to go. its nice and stiff for a bigger guy like yourself.

at first I wanted the LS2 - Powers cause I thought they looked cool, but the guys at work told me they would burn my skate if I put them on.

reason being is that they are too stiff and they break easier and they are pretty much nightmares to the shop techies

i am a pretty big guy myself and made the transition from soft cobra 3000's to the ls2's and I love them. nice stiff, responsive and they look sweet on my graf skates.

with the radius i didnt have to do much to my ls2's because they were already neutral. but I got my radius to about an 11 to get more blade and power into my strides.

a guy from work was skating on the rbII and hes roughly 200ish and after one skate the steel was all bent and it was a terrible time for him so he ended up putting on custom+ because he likes the softer feeling.

the pitch can always be changed by your skate sharpener. might cost you a little more but hey what ever helps you skate better !

thats as much information I could give you off the top of my head.

[Keith 0]

I would just get the hardware and rivets looked at if you feel something shifting.

[SolarWind 23]

thanks for the replies.

NBH dropped LS2 power holder so I guess it wasn't that good

but could someone please confirm that TUUK LS2 is neutral & is 9ft radius by default?

for someone who's used to 11ft radius when switching to 9ft is there going to be a noticeable increase in agility? Would there be a significant decrease in speed or stability?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[Keith 0]

You should just get some non-parabolic easton steel and have your rivets checked for seating... That easton holder is no worse than lightspeed truth be told.

[tomh7 2]

If you are really wanting to switch holders, the Pitch 3 has been well liked.

[Keith 0]

Yeah, I skate on pitch now. I think with solid steel, I would like the easton holder better than that one even. It just feels real good to skate on as long as all the hardware is ok.

[SolarWind 23]

That easton holder is no worse than lightspeed truth be told.

that's interesting

somehow I've read tons of negative comments on Razor Bladz II, not to mention the fact that from what I could tell majority of the people replace RBII with TUUK (but then again - this might be just perception)

plus of course reading that "The Tuuk Lightspeed 2 holder delivers the tightest turning radius in the industry"

and that 80% pros use LS2 sounds intriguing

[GrafPro55 0]

If you look around the skates in the NHL and AHL, you will see tons of TUUK Custom Plus. Of all the skates I build, they either go out with Cobra 5000, Tuuk Custom Plus, a few LS2 and some T-Blades. The Easton holder is a turd. Only pros getting big dollars from Easton would use that. Nobody uses the RBK/CCM holder. It all ends up being what feels good. The LS2 would be a good holder, as now you can buy the LS2 steel or the new LS2.1 steel. They both will fit. Then get a good shop to radius them so they are both the same.

[gagner89 0]

I'm on Tuuks too, but how are the Eastons crap?

When my XXs finally break, I'm in a for a pair of Grafs. Gotta try the Cobras :)

[GrafPro55 0]

How about that Pass old 89 made last night to Cogs? Whooooo. Good stuff.

That game looked like a rec game it was so sloppy. They are the most fun to watch.

[SolarWind 23]

any other opinions on the holders?

(one more to the list - RBII appears to be lower then LS2 so that the skates bottom out relatively easy)

[JR Boucicaut 3810]

What kills RBII is the hardware and the parabolic steel. It actually doesn't skate all that bad with the standard (non-parabolic) steel. The steel quality isn't the greatest either.

[big_bt 0]

thanks for the replies.

NBH dropped LS2 power holder so I guess it wasn't that good

but could someone please confirm that TUUK LS2 is neutral & is 9ft radius by default?

for someone who's used to 11ft radius when switching to 9ft is there going to be a noticeable increase in agility? Would there be a significant decrease in speed or stability?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

i went from 9ft and 11ft, it was a weird transition at first. I found that I was definitely more agile with the 9ft. The 9ft was kinda wobbly for me, I play defense and sit in front of the net a lot and I was pushed over a couple of times and didn't feel stable on the 9ft rocker.

My strides in the 11ft were a lot stronger and I could skate a little faster. But it has only been 1 game with the 11ft rocker. I can update you later with them.

[SolarWind 23]

What kills RBII is the hardware and the parabolic steel. It actually doesn't skate all that bad with the standard (non-parabolic) steel. The steel quality isn't the greatest either.

and I hear that LS2 doesn't have any better still either...

damn it is still confusing! :(

Could someone PLEASE summarize what the bottom line is?! Can one expect to see any improvements in pivoting or turns or anything else for that matter after switching from RBII to LS2?

or after all is it just a preference thing which is too individual to comment on?!

[JR Boucicaut 3810]

It's going to be stiffer. RBII is the lightest holder out there, so that's a wash. RBII with standard un-parabolic steel will be stiffer than what you have. GIve that a shot first.

[SolarWind 23]

I'm curious why is that nobody mentioned LS2 power? I though that holder is even stiffer then LS2 & so should be even better suited for the bigger guys?

Is that a good or a bad holder or what? Also is the default radous on that one still 9ft or 11ft?

What's the reason NBH dropped LS2P all together from the new One95 skate?

[chippa13 1844]

It all is a matter of what you like. I'm almost exactly your size and haven't found anything I like skating on better than Custom +.

[TBLfan 25]

I'm curious why is that nobody mentioned LS2 power? I though that holder is even stiffer then LS2 & so should be even better suited for the bigger guys?

Is that a good or a bad holder or what? Also is the default radous on that one still 9ft or 11ft?

What's the reason NBH dropped LS2P all together from the new One95 skate?

LS2P is 11'

It's basically a LS2 that is stiff, yet somewhat brittle. Why? Lexan.

[BGM 0]

Custom+. Great flex and lower to the ice than LS and LS2.

[gagner89 0]

Isn't lower to the ice a bad thing? Your lean angle would be reduced because of the increased likelihood of boot hitting ice?

[chippa13 1844]

That's only a concern when your steel starts getting low.