Easton S15 issue

[eric42434224 1]

I bought my S15s a few months ago, and parts of the leather is coming apart from the composite. It seems it is happening when the skate gets hit by a puck or stick. I just superglue it back on. I also notice that the stiching on the leather is gone too. My question is this: Is this leather structural? Is it just glued on to the composite, and is the composite covering the entire skate? I see composite under where the leather is, and just glued it back on. In other words, is this just a cosmetic or aesthetic issue, or is it a structural one. I dont give a rats ass what they look like....just want to know if this is something I need to worry about. Any info would help. Thanks!

[dix0r 0]

a shop owner around here told me that the stitching is cosmetic. i haven't examined the skates or anything, but the stock easton pictures wouldn't lead me to believe otherwise.

all the old 1500's that used to come in to the shop i worked at had the glue issue as well. i wouldn't worry!

[eric42434224 1]

So if the leather parts coming off the composite is only aesthetic and cosmetic, what is the real problem people have with the S15 durability? Sure it will look beat up, but c'mon, we are Hockey players, and really shouldnt be too concerned with how the skate looks......especially when you get the super light performance of this skate.

What are the other durability issues that I should look out for that ARENT merely cosmetic?

Thanks!

[dix0r 0]

i work for a bigger retailer now (not in-store) and don't really see that side of things anymore, so i'm not sure. there's people more qualified to answer that for you, who i'm sure will probably chime in soon :]

also, see http://www.modsquadhockey.com/forums/index...p;hl=durability

[TomMc#4 0]

the stitching is cosmetic, but the leather is required to hold ur foot in the carbon shell. if u do a bit of hunting u will find a pic of the shell somewhere on the net, i know it used to be on the side of the boxes. when the leather fully comes off sections of composite its a disaster. i will attach some photos of what happened to mine.

[All Flash 49]

get yourself some silicone spray water repellent and spray those babies down after you have done all ur glue repair....

thats what i have done albeit i have had no issues with my leather coming off yet

from talking to my shop guy we have surmised it is a water log issue that goes in thru the leather and pushes it off the composite

but on the other hand one of our other sharpeners toe pro'd along all the edges of the leather and he hasn't had any issues yet

just a few thoughts ;P

let me know how it goes

[ZINC 8]

The "leather" coming off is not at all just cosmetic. I have a pair of 1500's and have the same prob, but a little worse. The skate is so flexible now they are on the verge of being thrown in the trash, as I need a stiffer skate. I've tried a few different types of glue and epoxy, and have not found anything yet that keeps the carbon/synthetic sections together. I'll try the silicon spray idea, as I LOVE how the skates feel/fit, but the pure lack of stiffness really messes w/ my stride :(

[schrempsky 0]

i found that the issue you were having was on the first run of S15's because the glue wasnt holding up to the heat fit and the stitching wasnt proper. since that run, there is now a different glue i believe and a double stitch. i havent seen any returns since then

[the_sock 1]

I've seen personally 3 pairs of S15 and many Synergy 800C skates that have the problem around the toe cap. Not happy to see that. If it's looks like it's just peeling off but a very small area, I'd say epoxy back on. If it looks more structural, like if it's right beside the toe cap and the composite material, I'd say take it back for warranty. I'm not a fan of the Easton composite skates, I find issues with the structure and the processes. Luckily, I have seen that Easton has improved their quality as of late, but I'm still not on board.

Cheers

[eric42434224 1]

The separation of the leather from the composite seems only to be where it is being hit with a puck or stick down near the botton area of the boot. This area seems to be cosmetic only as it does not deal with the areas where the leather is structural (ie- where the laces are). I will continue to keep taking extra good care of them, and all seems fine for now, so hopefully they will last a full year. I will likely go to another more durable skate like the one95...assuming I can get it to fit properly. The S15 fits fantastic, so I will keep buying new Eastons every year if they are the only skate that fits me.

[smosier 0]

I am a former CCM wearer and I had Graf G3s, but I decided to buy the s15's based on a friend loving them and weight.

Did anyone have lace bit issues and also the heal is higher than the front and my instep was hurting a bit. I skated 3 times in the skates and they seemed to have a lot of room above my foot, I put in some dr. scholls underneath the footbeds and now they fit better.

Here is my personal PROs and CONS after 5 uses (please give me advice if you can change the CONS)

PROS:

Weight

They dry very quick

Seem to have a good push in my stride

CONS:

Lace Bite

Boot interior seems a bit big (not length-wise)

Blade holder seems longer than the Grafs (Should I change the holder to a Tuuk?)

Soreness in heal from the articulated boot bottom

Any specific notes would be appreciated

[lyle.m23 0]

I decided to buy the s15's based on a friend loving them

thats your problem right there

[schrempsky 0]

coming from a graf G3 into this boot is not ideal in my opinion. the graf is narrow throughout, and easton has probably the widest D forefoot of any skate. i sat in a meeting today with the product manager, and the second generation of S15 does seem to be a bit narrower up front, but no where near the narrow fit of a G3.

[interpathway 9]

I decided to buy the s15's based on a friend loving them

thats your problem right there

hahaha such truth

[rinkrat94 1]

I am a former CCM wearer and I had Graf G3s, but I decided to buy the s15's based on a friend loving them and weight.

Did anyone have lace bit issues and also the heal is higher than the front and my instep was hurting a bit. I skated 3 times in the skates and they seemed to have a lot of room above my foot, I put in some dr. scholls underneath the footbeds and now they fit better.

Here is my personal PROs and CONS after 5 uses (please give me advice if you can change the CONS)

PROS:

Weight

They dry very quick

Seem to have a good push in my stride

CONS:

Lace Bite

Boot interior seems a bit big (not length-wise)

Blade holder seems longer than the Grafs (Should I change the holder to a Tuuk?)

Soreness in heal from the articulated boot bottom

Any specific notes would be appreciated

Sounds like the S15 is not the right fit for your foot.

[SolarWind 23]

what's the best glue to use on S15?

I tried marine epoxy (supposed to be extra durable etc) - came right off after few minutes on ice

also when is a new model dues? I love how the skate fits, but the durability certainly needs to be improved!

[eric42434224 1]

I was having the leather come off the composite mainly in the areas where a puck or stick hit it, and I would glue it back on with superglue. It has seemed to work in those areas. Then, after seeing the previous picture in the thread, I went a bit further. I think that if the player with the picture had been more conscious of doing on-going maintenance, the separation would have been so drastic. I went around the whole skae and felt if any of the leather was *starting* to come off.....and it was. So I superglued it as well. Took me half an hour to get all the spots, but it seems to be worth it and sealed it all. I feel that doing it a few minutes, once a week, just checking the leather and gluing the problem spots, will extend the life of the skate. I have had them for 2-3 months and they are in great shape (except for toecap shredding, but that is purely cosmetic). I play 3, sometimes 4 nights a week, and the leather separation seems to be my only issue. Anyone have any experience with using the superglue?

[TomMc#4 0]

I think that if the player with the picture had been more conscious of doing on-going maintenance, the separation would have been so drastic. I went around the whole skae and felt if any of the leather was *starting* to come off.....and it was. So I superglued it as well. Took me half an hour to get all the spots, but it seems to be worth it and sealed it all. I feel that doing it a few minutes, once a week, just checking the leather and gluing the problem spots, will extend the life of the skate. I have had them for 2-3 months and they are in great shape (except for toecap shredding, but that is purely cosmetic). I play 3, sometimes 4 nights a week, and the leather separation seems to be my only issue. Anyone have any experience with using the superglue?

I dont think you can assume how well i maintained my skates. i did check them every other session and did attempt to sort out the problem areas. They were left out to dry after each session and transported in skate covers. They also had protectoe applied at regular intervals to the material on the toe cap to prevent shredding and the eventual delamination of the material that occurs. You may want to start this- ensure u go over the edge slightly to create a seal around the material (you can mask it off so it doesnt go fugly). Make sure the toe material is bone dry and sand gently any fraying material. You will have to apply multiple thin coats as the matrial absorbs it until it is saturated after a few layers. The seperation around the toe cap area was due to the leather actually wearing through as well as glue seperation. That damage was a result of 3-4 sessions a week for about 2 months. The glue was terrible and superglue simply was not a substitute, eventually they will go. Maybe when you skate you dont flex the skate as much as i do(who knows), so the seperation wouldnt be as bad and can be maintained.

I look after my gear. For future reference you may want to ask the poster how they tryed to counter the problem before assuming they did nothing ;)

[eric42434224 1]

I think that if the player with the picture had been more conscious of doing on-going maintenance, the separation would have been so drastic. I went around the whole skae and felt if any of the leather was *starting* to come off.....and it was. So I superglued it as well. Took me half an hour to get all the spots, but it seems to be worth it and sealed it all. I feel that doing it a few minutes, once a week, just checking the leather and gluing the problem spots, will extend the life of the skate. I have had them for 2-3 months and they are in great shape (except for toecap shredding, but that is purely cosmetic). I play 3, sometimes 4 nights a week, and the leather separation seems to be my only issue. Anyone have any experience with using the superglue?

I dont think you can assume how well i maintained my skates. i did check them every other session and did attempt to sort out the problem areas. They were left out to dry after each session and transported in skate covers. They also had protectoe applied at regular intervals to the material on the toe cap to prevent shredding and the eventual delamination of the material that occurs. You may want to start this- ensure u go over the edge slightly to create a seal around the material (you can mask it off so it doesnt go fugly). Make sure the toe material is bone dry and sand gently any fraying material. You will have to apply multiple thin coats as the matrial absorbs it until it is saturated after a few layers. The seperation around the toe cap area was due to the leather actually wearing through as well as glue seperation. That damage was a result of 3-4 sessions a week for about 2 months. The glue was terrible and superglue simply was not a substitute, eventually they will go. Maybe when you skate you dont flex the skate as much as i do(who knows), so the seperation wouldnt be as bad and can be maintained.

I look after my gear. For future reference you may want to ask the poster how they tryed to counter the problem before assuming they did nothing ;)

True, I shouldnt assume anything about a person or how they take care of their gear..... pictures dont lie. The second picture especially shows the leather really separating from the composite in the area that looks like below the laces. Why is it in that condition? The separation doesnt occur that drastically in one session. It was allowed to separate over time. I too skate 3-4 times a week, and I do flex a lot. I am 6'1", 220 lb defenseman, and I am very hard on my skates. I have had them almost three months now I think, and through meticulous maintenance I am having no issues. As far as the toecap shredding, I could care less as it is purely a cosmetic covering of an enclosed composite toe. I just take a few minutes each week to seal up any leather separation and they are as tight as a Nun's Biscuit.

No offense intended about how you take care of your equipment....perhaps yours were from a bad batch, who knows. As these seem to be the only skates that fit my really wide feet, I am going to try like hell to keep them together.

[TomMc#4 0]

The pictures show the state they were in before i replaced them, i was gluing them all the time until the tear near the toe cap made them unwearable. i reckon mine did come from the first batch, best performing skates i've had but i simply couldnt risk them falling apart like that again.

In terms of the toe cap, the material isnt simply cosmetic. its made to disperse the energy transfer from shots so that the carbon can further take the impact. if it wasnt there, the toe cap wound crack and shatter. might be worth you keeping an eye on it as i have seen some seperate from the toe cap.

[eric42434224 1]

The pictures show the state they were in before i replaced them, i was gluing them all the time until the tear near the toe cap made them unwearable. i reckon mine did come from the first batch, best performing skates i've had but i simply couldnt risk them falling apart like that again.

In terms of the toe cap, the material isnt simply cosmetic. its made to disperse the energy transfer from shots so that the carbon can further take the impact. if it wasnt there, the toe cap wound crack and shatter. might be worth you keeping an eye on it as i have seen some seperate from the toe cap.

Interesting. I didnt consider that the toe cap material might play that structural part. Thanks for that insight! What type of material or product did you use? Some type of glue or coating? Thanks for your help!

[eric42434224 1]

The pictures show the state they were in before i replaced them, i was gluing them all the time until the tear near the toe cap made them unwearable. i reckon mine did come from the first batch, best performing skates i've had but i simply couldnt risk them falling apart like that again.

In terms of the toe cap, the material isnt simply cosmetic. its made to disperse the energy transfer from shots so that the carbon can further take the impact. if it wasnt there, the toe cap wound crack and shatter. might be worth you keeping an eye on it as i have seen some seperate from the toe cap.

Interesting. I didnt consider that the toe cap material might play that structural part. Thanks for that insight! What type of material or product did you use? Some type of glue or coating? Thanks for your help!

[eric42434224 1]

Found it. Protectoe, right?

[TomMc#4 0]

i used bauer protectoe, most toe pro type stuff will be fine.

1. make sure the material is bone dry throughout.

2. make sure the surface is dirt free and has a decent texture(remove shredded bits and possibly gently sand a little)

3. mask off the surrounding area (make sure the toe pro will make a seal around the edge onto the composite to stop water getting under)

4. apply a small amount of toe pro evenly all over, wait to dry fully and repeat several times. The material absorbs the toe pro so dont try to add too much on the first few layers, build them up.

5. touch up as appropriate between usage.

hope that helps ;)

[eric42434224 1]

i used bauer protectoe, most toe pro type stuff will be fine.

1. make sure the material is bone dry throughout.

2. make sure the surface is dirt free and has a decent texture(remove shredded bits and possibly gently sand a little)

3. mask off the surrounding area (make sure the toe pro will make a seal around the edge onto the composite to stop water getting under)

4. apply a small amount of toe pro evenly all over, wait to dry fully and repeat several times. The material absorbs the toe pro so dont try to add too much on the first few layers, build them up.

5. touch up as appropriate between usage.

hope that helps ;)

That does help. Thanks!

Does anyone have any suggestions for where the leather separates from the composite?

Would the Protectoe work here? What about the superglue I currently am using? Any other proven products?

Thanks!