Crosby's nut shot

[chippa13 1844]

If you guys hate Sid's treatment then you would have been sickened by Gretz or Mario. Get over it, kids.

[KingPest19 0]

I always heard the talk about gretz in his day and how nobody could do anything to him, me being too young to see most of that era, is there anyone that was that could enlighten us on the similarities/differences of the two players. I'm assuming it was more of his teamates protecting him back in the day, but did the league let him have a ridiculous leash to get away with things (if he did at all)? With instagtor rules and whatnot in this era its obviously a different game but I sure hope Gretz didn't look that ridiculous so many times, and get away with stuff that no other player would. I don't have too much respect for Sid, I'll give him the props he deserves for his accomplishments, but I just felt like he's been spoon fed too many times and he hasn't had to work as hard as most players coming into the league.

I cant ever recall Gretzky doing anything remotely similar to to this. He was more known for his whining in the early part of his career but he matured after that. When it came down to fighting I think Gretzky earned his lesson early on that it wasnt his forte and it was best leave it to the guys who knew what they were doing.

When it comes to Crosby it seems as though things get swept under the rub. After the Valabik incident it took almost 2 weeks for them to talk about in on NHL Live. And the only reason they did was because a fan e-mailed in about.

On a side note Gretz and fighting maybe someone can help me out here. There was an instance when he was on the Kings and he had ahold of someone during a fight but he was slowly getting them to the bench because he was injured. Was it against the Leafs or not?

[kosydar 0]

If you guys hate Sid's treatment then you would have been sickened by Gretz or Mario. Get over it, kids.

I don't doubt that, but just because Gretz and Mario got it doesn't mean it isn't right. Besides, Crosby isn't even the best player on his team. You just don't see this type of stuff from Malkin. Or Ovechkin.

[Chadd 916]

Can't wait to see someone pound the living shit out of Crosby. It will happen sooner or later, you can't convince me that everyone in the league loves him.

If someone did that to Sid, the suspension would be Avery-esque.

Keep bringing up Avery, it only took the NHL how long to actually dish out a meaningful suspension to him? So many whiners on this board.

WTF? People make observations regarding the NHL and the way they handle suspensions and you take personal shots at them in an effort to defend your favorite player. You seriously need to brush up on your reading comprehension. Stupid things like this make me hate the effort I put into this site some days.

If you guys hate Sid's treatment then you would have been sickened by Gretz or Mario. Get over it, kids.

I used to note Mario's special treatment too. By the end of his career, Gretz was a shadow of his former self and really didn't take advantage to the degree of Mario and others.

[ktang 34]

Gretzky used to whine and dive to get on the power play. Also, a lot of his game was non physical: delaying along the boards to feed the trailer, or getting the puck passed to him behind the net to feed others.

Crosby's game is more physical; he'll use his balance and strength to power through opponents (something Gretzky was smart enough to not do, with his smaller size), so he takes more punishment.

Also, Gretzky's enforcers didn't have to deal with the instigator rule, so Gretzky had more protection.

I think that Crosby's cheap-shotting is due to frustration from his opponents' targeting his physical game and the Penguins' recent problems.

[adam14 182]

Gretzky used to whine and dive to get on the power play. Also, a lot of his game was non physical: delaying along the boards to feed the trailer, or getting the puck passed to him behind the net to feed others.

Crosby's game is more physical; he'll use his balance and strength to power through opponents (something Gretzky was smart enough to not do, with his smaller size), so he takes more punishment.

Also, Gretzky's enforcers didn't have to deal with the instigator rule, so Gretzky had more protection.

I think that Crosby's cheap-shotting is due to frustration from his opponents' targeting his physical game and the Penguins' recent problems.

Then Crosby should change his playing style if he doesn't like the ways hes targeted. hes the best player in the league of course guys are gonna go after him. but what he did was unnecessary.

[hockeysc23 0]

Gretzky used to whine and dive to get on the power play. Also, a lot of his game was non physical: delaying along the boards to feed the trailer, or getting the puck passed to him behind the net to feed others.

Crosby's game is more physical; he'll use his balance and strength to power through opponents (something Gretzky was smart enough to not do, with his smaller size), so he takes more punishment.

Also, Gretzky's enforcers didn't have to deal with the instigator rule, so Gretzky had more protection.

I think that Crosby's cheap-shotting is due to frustration from his opponents' targeting his physical game and the Penguins' recent problems.

Instigator penalty is hardly if ever called anymore .....

[ktang 34]

Gretzky used to whine and dive to get on the power play. Also, a lot of his game was non physical: delaying along the boards to feed the trailer, or getting the puck passed to him behind the net to feed others.

Crosby's game is more physical; he'll use his balance and strength to power through opponents (something Gretzky was smart enough to not do, with his smaller size), so he takes more punishment.

Also, Gretzky's enforcers didn't have to deal with the instigator rule, so Gretzky had more protection.

I think that Crosby's cheap-shotting is due to frustration from his opponents' targeting his physical game and the Penguins' recent problems.

Instigator penalty is hardly if ever called anymore .....

I think that the instigator is hardly called nowadays because the fighting and enforcing has changed.

What Semenko etc. did back then would be an automatic instigator.

Gretzky used to whine and dive to get on the power play. Also, a lot of his game was non physical: delaying along the boards to feed the trailer, or getting the puck passed to him behind the net to feed others.

Crosby's game is more physical; he'll use his balance and strength to power through opponents (something Gretzky was smart enough to not do, with his smaller size), so he takes more punishment.

Also, Gretzky's enforcers didn't have to deal with the instigator rule, so Gretzky had more protection.

I think that Crosby's cheap-shotting is due to frustration from his opponents' targeting his physical game and the Penguins' recent problems.

Then Crosby should change his playing style if he doesn't like the ways hes targeted. hes the best player in the league of course guys are gonna go after him. but what he did was unnecessary.

I don't know if Crosby would be as effective if he changed his style. And, you are right, his frustration does not entitle him to do cheap-shots, and his star status shouldn't protect him from suspensions.

[camhockey16 5]

Gretzky used to whine and dive to get on the power play. Also, a lot of his game was non physical: delaying along the boards to feed the trailer, or getting the puck passed to him behind the net to feed others.

Crosby's game is more physical; he'll use his balance and strength to power through opponents (something Gretzky was smart enough to not do, with his smaller size), so he takes more punishment.

Also, Gretzky's enforcers didn't have to deal with the instigator rule, so Gretzky had more protection.

I think that Crosby's cheap-shotting is due to frustration from his opponents' targeting his physical game and the Penguins' recent problems.

Then Crosby should change his playing style if he doesn't like the ways hes targeted. hes the best player in the league of course guys are gonna go after him. but what he did was unnecessary.

i can't see crosby changing his playing style - i mean thats the way he has played his whole life and its what got him to the nhl - to just throw that out the window probably be ill-advised to say the least.

[kosydar 0]

Crosby's bitchiness is not new. He has been like that since he entered the league (and I assume even before that). It has just escalated recently.

[chippa13 1844]

The vitriol amuses me. If Pat Quinn or Brian Burke squacked about the abuse his players took, well, that's just gamesmanship, but if Sid does it or lashes out at an opponent, well, that's bitchiness.

[Chadd 916]

The vitriol amuses me. If Pat Quinn or Brian Burke squacked about the abuse his players took, well, that's just gamesmanship, but if Sid does it or lashes out at an opponent, well, that's bitchiness.

Brian Burke is a douche of the highest degree when it comes to his comments about players. The stuff he said helped fuel the fires before (and after) the Bertuzzi incident.

[Fire0nIce228 1]

Whats hilarious is Ovechkins hit on the Sabre a few seasons ago from behind into the open bench door

( no suspension), him running Malkin everytime the Pens play the caps, and Ovechkins general blatent disregard for other players. In my opinion Ovie throws a lot of late or unneccisary hits, but since its Ovie, its just 'spirit' and 'enthusiasm' cause thats how he plays.

Lots of hipocrisy on this board..

[adam14 182]

Gretzky used to whine and dive to get on the power play. Also, a lot of his game was non physical: delaying along the boards to feed the trailer, or getting the puck passed to him behind the net to feed others.

Crosby's game is more physical; he'll use his balance and strength to power through opponents (something Gretzky was smart enough to not do, with his smaller size), so he takes more punishment.

Also, Gretzky's enforcers didn't have to deal with the instigator rule, so Gretzky had more protection.

I think that Crosby's cheap-shotting is due to frustration from his opponents' targeting his physical game and the Penguins' recent problems.

Then Crosby should change his playing style if he doesn't like the ways hes targeted. hes the best player in the league of course guys are gonna go after him. but what he did was unnecessary.

i can't see crosby changing his playing style - i mean thats the way he has played his whole life and its what got him to the nhl - to just throw that out the window probably be ill-advised to say the least.

i agree but in all honesty kid, if you cant take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. thats all it comes down to. and right now, Crosby looks like hes walking towards the door.

[Fire0nIce228 1]

Please dont act like Crosby is the first and only player to get frustrated and do something semi-stupid. Lets try to keep this in perspective folks, seriously.

[hockeysc23 0]

Please dont act like Crosby is the first and only player to get frustrated and do something semi-stupid. Lets try to keep this in perspective folks, seriously.

You cannot have it both ways. You cannot get the benefit of calls (high stick goal), dives, and others because of your status then forget about when he does stuff that any other player would get dinged for (2 players fighting 1 player, fighting a guy right off of the faceoff).

Obviously your a Sydney fan and thats great but you have to recognize when he has crossed the line.

[Fire0nIce228 1]

Oh I agree completely about the nut shot being cheap, no questions about that.

However, A, its pure speculation that Crosby and the Panther arn't telling the truth about the fight, maybe he asked him, maybe he didnt, so everyone should really stop with the rips about Bettman putting the FLA player up to it and that kinda crap.

Secondly, As far as cheap shots and what not, I give and take cheap shots all game long when I play, and I SUCK! I'm positive it happens in the NHL all game long too, so lets just leave it at that! Little rabbit punches and whacks and whatever is part of hockey.. As is, he did get dinged, he sat for 19 minutes! What do you want, a suspension for that? For dragging a guy in circles around the ice for a few seconds and landing a few half hearted punches? C'mon..

I'm really not a big Crosby fanboy...I get sick of those who defend him to no end just as much as I get sick of those who bash him to no end. Enough is enough though, it gets old. I have seen 3 or 4 threads today alone where theres a comment about the Crosby fight thrown in. Does Sid whine, yes. Does he get alot of calls his way, yes. Does he work hard and constantly move his feet to draw plenty of those calls, yes. Does he take stupid penalties and act out of frustration sometimes, yes.

[PBRyan 0]

Even assuming Sidney's story isn't fabricated (which appears to be quite the stretch as he has every reason to lie), he attacked a guy unfairly when his head was down and he was prone. He did these this under the pretenses of a fight. I've seen no indication that in his eyes this was anything other than okay. The actions and circumstances speak for themselves. The move was cowardly. And an extremely self-interested one at that.

Are his teammates gonna be that much more "motivated" and "inspired" because he straight-up jumped a guy in a way that ensured no possible way he'd be hurt or so much as scratched? True sacrifice right there. The sad thing is that he thinks this is "the right thing." pssssh

[chippa13 1844]

I guess you've never seen the replay of Cam Neely introducing Claude Lemieux to the Boston Globe ad on the Garden boards.

[camhockey16 5]

i'll say this much - at least crosby does know how to throw a punch - as good of a player as semin is, im still giggling like a school girl over seeing the slap fest :P

[PBRyan 0]

I guess you've never seen the replay of Cam Neely introducing Claude Lemieux to the Boston Globe ad on the Garden boards.

ahem. That Brett McLean really had it coming.

[chippa13 1844]

Maybe he did. I didn't see the game.

[kosydar 0]

Judging by the fact he had one previous NHL fight and had absolutely no idea what was going on, I'm going to take a guess and say that he really didn't.

[chippa13 1844]

One's fight number doesn't necessarily correlate to one's having it coming.

[PBRyan 0]

Well, I did watch the game and have seen McLean play a fair share. I have also seen Claude Lemieux an equally fair share. Your comparison is beyond whack. Not only because of the player involved, but because this was off a faceoff. Crosby didn't give him a chance.

Let's limit Neely references to non-slander. Play the devil's advocate all you like, but you're not convincing anyone of anything when you throw out Claude Lemieux. The guy would rabbit punch his own mother. Neely attacked good ol' St. Claudio for something he did in the same shift. Lemieux in the turtle position is nothing new. An attack on a prone guy in the faceoff circle without the chance to square up by the best player in the game is new and unacceptable.