Skate confusion

[TomMc#4 0]

I currently wear an unmodified pair of one95's. Last night i ended up having to unofficially ref a game and had to borrow a friends skates (synergy pro stocks-in my size). After the first 5 minutes i realised that i felt extrememly comfortable in them and hated the fact i couldnt find a pair of synergy 1500's after getting rid of mine 2 years ago. i felt very comfortable/confident on all my edges and in all the transitions, stops etc and the skates generally felt beautifully responsive. Now this is where the confusion comes in. Having skated on easton skates when i began playing 5 years ago(z-air's,z-air comp se's, 1500's, s15's) up until about a year ago (brief stint with xxxx's then one95's)

im wondering if its a holder issue, the fit on the skates is definately not an issue. when making the transition to ls2's from the RBII's i straight away felt like i was on my heels and it took me maybe 2 sessions to adjust, whereas 5minutes down and i was loving being on the synergy's. i've always had a love affair with easton skates though and im thinking maybe its a subconscious thing telling me to love being in them. i was also thinking maybe it was the coil tech in the synergys actually doing what its meant to and giving the synergys that extra pop.

anyway, to the main question. probably the first time any1 has even thought about doing this, but do you think i would get the same feeling i did with the synergy's by switching out the ls2's on my one95's for a set of RBII's, or do you think it was the whole package and im better off possibly thinking about getting either some se16's or s17's? (just for the record i love my one95's (stiffness & fit), just the edge control i found last night was very good and i definately felt more confident/comfortable. will the one95's feel as responsive?

[LkptTiger 1]

You're dealing with two skates/holders with different pitches. Different rocker-radii, too.

[TomMc#4 0]

thats where my confusion is coming in. is it the whole package or will simply changing over the holder yield similar results?

[LkptTiger 1]

Getting your steel profiled and/or putting lifts on your One95 should make you more comfortable.

[TomMc#4 0]

steel profiling isnt really an option here in the uk, there would be no consistency after the initial profiling(if i can find someone to profile them). does anybody know hom much of a heel lift i would need? this is also probably going to be difficult sorting out, but more likely.

[x-track 8]

..I can't help you much ...as I am in the same position as you are ...coming from Z-Airs , not convinced with NBH and indecisive what to do ....all I can tell you I tried the S17 off ice twice and I like it a lot ...seems craftmanship has improved a lot ....they'll sharpen it for me today and I can tell you more in a few days ....

[TomMc#4 0]

im not really concerned with my one95's i simply want to make them feel pitch, feel etc similar to my previous skates.

[matix218 11]

The way I see it, if you know what you like and what you skate best in then just go with it.

I like the feel of t-blades on CCM boots. I have skated on everything from pl3 to custom plus' to ls2, to ls2p, to e-pro (I do actually really like the e-pro also, unfortunately the ugliest holders are the ones I find most comfortable...) Earlier this year I ended up switching back to my ZG130 vectors with T blades (272-M-11) because I have never felt a pitch or blade that I like or skate as well on as these and I have been playing for 15 years. I figure if i know what feels best why mess with it. I think t blades are hideous and sound annoying but I skate better on them than any other holder so thats what I use.

In your case you could easily sell the one95s and more than pay for a brand new pair of s15s. As long as you like the fit of the s15 boot and you know you like the rb2 holder why fight it, just use what you are comfortable with.

just my 0.2 cents

EDIT: yes you can have your blade profiled but if you do and it still dosnt feel like your old eastons (which is very possible) then you are out even more money and still in the same boat.

[Jordan 13]

I think that your problem is primarily pitch. profiling isn't very expensive and you can do it in steps..try +1, then +2 etc

[interpathway 9]

steel profiling isnt really an option here in the uk

This is why lifts are likely the best answer. Unless you want to mount Pitch 3s on your skate with a 3mm lift. Instead of pitches from -1 to +1, that should give you the choice of 0, +1, or +2.

[TomMc#4 0]

The way I see it, if you know what you like and what you skate best in then just go with it.

In your case you could easily sell the one95s and more than pay for a brand new pair of s15s. As long as you like the fit of the s15 boot and you know you like the rb2 holder why fight it, just use what you are comfortable with.

just my 0.2 cents

EDIT: yes you can have your blade profiled but if you do and it still dosnt feel like your old eastons (which is very possible) then you are out even more money and still in the same boat.

trust me i LOVE the s15's but i literally destroyed a pair in 2 months. they were unusable. i cant afford to shell out the cash that often. i've been skating in my one95's for about 7months now and they are going strong. using my friends just reminded me of the love affair i've had with the synergy/stealth lines. i'm almost certain i wouldnt get a big return on my one95's because they have had some abuse, plus the economy has got the GBP weak against the dollar (1.37) so its ever more expensive getting skates.

profiling definately isnt an option. could someone give me definate confirmation that the RBII holders have a more forward pitch than my ls2's and if they could suggest a suitable shim to make the ls2's equivalent. I know JR has a bit of experience in this area, any help is much appreciated. my holders are 280mm if that helps with regards to pitch angles etc

cheers

[beaverpower 0]

I just switched from S15's to one95's this week. I couldn't stand the tongues on the s15, they ruined my ankles. (If you go Easton, get felt tongues). I noticed immediately the difference in pitch on the one95's. It threw me back on my heels. Even though I'm used to the forward pitch on the s15's, I think I'm going to like the one95's better once I get used to it. Much more speed and control in and out of turns. The boot is stiffer on the one95 and the padding is more dense which I really like.

[interpathway 9]

Did you take the heel lifts out of your S15s? I believe all retail S15s come with heel lifts under the soles.

[TomMc#4 0]

i have them ( i think) but im not sure if they will compromise the volume in the skate. if i have them i may give them a try

[interpathway 9]

I was just saying, that if you had them in your S15s, you might need the heel lifted ANOTHER 3mm or so. If you hadn't realized that they were there, matching your LS2 to RBIIs pitches still wouldn't have given you the pitch you were used to. But since you have them, throw them in for a good test run.

[Jordan 13]

RBK holders are more fwd pitched than the LS2s...but if you have access to someone who can remove a holder and install a new one; it is a smaller job to install heel lifts so why not go that route?

It is also considerably cheaper to install heel lifts versus changing the holder.

[interpathway 9]

But we're comparing Razor Blade II (stock Easton) holders to LS2s, not E-Pro holders.

[jimmy 194]

steel profiling isnt really an option here in the uk, there would be no consistency after the initial profiling(if i can find someone to profile them). does anybody know hom much of a heel lift i would need? this is also probably going to be difficult sorting out, but more likely.

There will be no consistency with heel lifts either because if a bad sharpener over there gets a hold of them, they can reverse the heel lift pitch just as easy on the un-profiled steel. So it doesn't really matter. Still, to me it sounds like you need pitch, so however you attain it is fine, but don't be lulled into thinking heel lifts are the end all, you still will likely need profiling to maintain consistency.