Reebok Lies about stick weights?

[tooomey 1]

All the claimed lengths by these most of these companys are cutting the stick at 60". For example S17 non grip cut at 60in. is 410grams. Reebok is weighing sticks before they are cut. The reebox stick is also stocked shorter than most of the others. "Theres the weight difference" The only real way to find out is to get very similar curves and cut them at same length and put them on the scale. Just holdeing them in your hand has little to do with weight because many sticks are balanced differenty. And to get the correct flex you do need to cut the stick down.

[ndlancer95 0]

One thing, I just weighed my new, not taped One95 and XXXX, both senior, PM9, and same exact legnth. On the chart, it says that the One95 is heavier than the XXXX, but on my scale, they were the exact same weight. I don't understand this chart at all.

[cptjeff 0]

Last time I checked, grams were a measurement of weight. KG, G, MG?

you'll need to check again. either that or apparently you haven't taken hs physics yet, or you obviously didn't do very well in it :P .

the above poster is correct. grams, mg, kg are all measurements of mass not weight. weight takes into account gravity.

You say that like he's going to set up a scale on the moon.

just stick it in a vacuum or something...i'm a chem guy not a physics though lol :D

Vacuum has no effect. Weight is mass times gravity. Actual weight would be measured in newtons, not grams, and there being air around it or not does not matter as long as the scale is calibrated.

\Engineering major.

[TBLfan 25]

Were they weighed with the plug too? Probably not, although those TPS wood plugs are the best plugs ever. That might help explain the weights of older sticks such as the original Synergy/Stealth etc... remember those were 57" with a 3" plug not 59-60" that is standard today.

[hockey1933 0]

I am amazed at some of these responses in this thread...

Calling people liars; pretty harsh unless you have gone out and weighed the sticks yourselves to prove this.

It is pretty ridiculous to think;

1. Companies assume you will cut down a stick a particular amount, so that is the weight printed on the OPS after being cut! Seriously?

2. Companies would go out and weigh full retail sticks verses their own that have been cut down. LOL

3. Reebok sticks have no butt end, they are 100% composite, and the SR's are 60", as are Easton’s, etc. I don't understand how you can figure they are shorter... I am pretty sure 60" = 60".

Any of the statements in this thread could be easily proved or disproved by simply taking a scale to your LHS. Then please feel free to come back and make all the accusations you like based on facts. I for one have put stock retail Easton's on a scale and they are heavier then printed. I know from personal experience, they used to weigh the OPS, and then add the butt end. That is garbage in my opinion. The weight printed on a retail OPS should be the weight it is as it sits on the retail shelf.

[cptjeff 0]

I am amazed at some of these responses in this thread...

Calling people liars; pretty harsh unless you have gone out and weighed the sticks yourselves to prove this.

It is pretty ridiculous to think;

1. Companies assume you will cut down a stick a particular amount, so that is the weight printed on the OPS after being cut! Seriously?

2. Companies would go out and weigh full retail sticks verses their own that have been cut down. LOL

3. Reebok sticks have no butt end, they are 100% composite, and the SR's are 60", as are Easton’s, etc. I don't understand how you can figure they are shorter... I am pretty sure 60" = 60".

Any of the statements in this thread could be easily proved or disproved by simply taking a scale to your LHS. Then please feel free to come back and make all the accusations you like based on facts. I for one have put stock retail Easton's on a scale and they are heavier then printed. I know from personal experience, they used to weigh the OPS, and then add the butt end. That is garbage in my opinion. The weight printed on a retail OPS should be the weight it is as it sits on the retail shelf.

Well, considering the weights on the chart are much heavier then the claimed weights by the companies who made them, Either everybody else is lying through their teeth in a very similar way or Reebok is lying. Calling people liars is harsh, but in this case it's also true. Somebody is a liar here, or at the least severely misrepresenting something. Which I would consider lying.

Oh, and for 3- some companies make the 75 flex seniors a little shorter so short guys don't have to cut as much and don't have to bring it up to 85 just to make it short enough to work for them. I forget if Reebok does that or not, but it's a distinct possibility.

[CTK30 0]

Last time I checked, grams were a measurement of weight. KG, G, MG?

you'll need to check again. either that or apparently you haven't taken hs physics yet, or you obviously didn't do very well in it :P .

the above poster is correct. grams, mg, kg are all measurements of mass not weight. weight takes into account gravity.

You say that like he's going to set up a scale on the moon.

just stick it in a vacuum or something...i'm a chem guy not a physics though lol :D

Vacuum has no effect. Weight is mass times gravity. Actual weight would be measured in newtons, not grams, and there being air around it or not does not matter as long as the scale is calibrated.

\Engineering major.

If the inside of the shaft was in a vacuum, or filled with helium it would work :lol:

[OllieCCM 1]

All sticks were weighed at full length and weren't altered in any way (no end plug was added). Reebok Hockey weighed several samples of each model to calculate the average weight.

Cutting three inches to achieve "industry standard length" reduces the weight of a stick by approximately 15-24 grams depending on the model. You can take the full length averages provided in the chart and reduce those by 15-24 grams to determine the weights at "industry standard length". Or as Hockey1933 recommends, go to your local hockey store, weigh several sticks from a specific model and see what the result is.

Reebok Hockey stands by the weight chart.

[th6252 25]

Well, considering the weights on the chart are much heavier then the claimed weights by the companies who made them, Either everybody else is lying through their teeth in a very similar way or Reebok is lying. Calling people liars is harsh, but in this case it's also true. Somebody is a liar here, or at the least severely misrepresenting something. Which I would consider lying.

Oh, and for 3- some companies make the 75 flex seniors a little shorter so short guys don't have to cut as much and don't have to bring it up to 85 just to make it short enough to work for them. I forget if Reebok does that or not, but it's a distinct possibility.

yeah, i believe reebok is the only company out of the 4 big ones that make 75 flex sticks(can't speak for tps or swd) that makes their 75 flex a bit shorter. i'm right on with you though as i wish they'd make the 75 flexes a touch shorter for us midgets, lol.

[furlanitalia 1]

All sticks were weighed at full length and weren't altered in any way (no end plug was added). Reebok Hockey weighed several samples of each model to calculate the average weight.

Cutting three inches to achieve "industry standard length" reduces the weight of a stick by approximately 15-24 grams depending on the model. You can take the full length averages provided in the chart and reduce those by 15-24 grams to determine the weights at "industry standard length". Or as Hockey1933 recommends, go to your local hockey store, weigh several sticks from a specific model and see what the result is.

Reebok Hockey stands by the weight chart.

Thank you. Honestly, if your S17 feels light, why complain that its listed heavy? Who cares if it's wrong or right, I don't know anyone who buys a stick without at least picking up first.

[Leafsrule16 5]

I am amazed at some of these responses in this thread...

Calling people liars; pretty harsh unless you have gone out and weighed the sticks yourselves to prove this.

It is pretty ridiculous to think;

1. Companies assume you will cut down a stick a particular amount, so that is the weight printed on the OPS after being cut! Seriously?

2. Companies would go out and weigh full retail sticks verses their own that have been cut down. LOL

3. Reebok sticks have no butt end, they are 100% composite, and the SR's are 60", as are Easton’s, etc. I don't understand how you can figure they are shorter... I am pretty sure 60" = 60".

Any of the statements in this thread could be easily proved or disproved by simply taking a scale to your LHS. Then please feel free to come back and make all the accusations you like based on facts. I for one have put stock retail Easton's on a scale and they are heavier then printed. I know from personal experience, they used to weigh the OPS, and then add the butt end. That is garbage in my opinion. The weight printed on a retail OPS should be the weight it is as it sits on the retail shelf.

To say 420 grams at standard length only to weigh quite a bit more is a lie. To say a stick weighs more then it is a lie. People who tell lies for marketing are liers regardless of the context. Its really lieing by omission. I weighed a few of the sticks on the chart and most of them weigh what they are claimed, not what rbk claims they weigh. Therefore , reebok is being dishonest.

Its not even a big deal, i just was kinda curious and have found different results on my own thought i'd add my two cents. I dont care about 15-20 grams as if i held a 10k in one hand and a se in the other blindfolded, i dont think i could tell the difference.

[chippa13 1844]

So you weighed the sticks in the last 3 days? First post asks if anyone has weighed them so I just wanted to clarify. Lastly, if you don't care then why start this topic in the first place?

Kids, go with the stick that feels good in your hands and stop worrying about what a stick may or may not weigh. To quote an old Survivor song; "If there's magic in the music, its the singer not the song."

[Leafsrule16 5]

So you weighed the sticks in the last 3 days? First post asks if anyone has weighed them so I just wanted to clarify. Lastly, if you don't care then why start this topic in the first place?

Kids, go with the stick that feels good in your hands and stop worrying about what a stick may or may not weigh. To quote an old Survivor song; "If there's magic in the music, its the singer not the song."

I weighed a 8k 2 piece (closest thing i had to a 10k, a brand new se, a cnt stealth and an origional synergy). The only stick that weighed significantly more then the stated weight was the pro stock, but the weight portion on the stick was blacked out so. The se weighed around 425, the 8k weighed about 430 and the stealth had a wood end plug but still weighed about 435-440.

[dontdumpdangle 0]

who cares about the numbers? Its the relationship between the blade and the shaft that will determine how light a stick "feels".

[TBLfan 25]

Thanks for the clearification.

3" of a S17 is about 15 grams. A TPS wood plug is about 37 grams and a composite plug is about 25 grams.

Those TPSs were extremely light, I still get comments on how light my R2XN10s are paired with Dolomite blades. The secondary question is; Was Easton using the same practice as TPS with stick weight?

Weights were with plugs in at full length. I still have quite a few RedliteXN10 OPS in the pattern I use at 393g.

An extra 3" of graphite shaft is much lighter than wood wood plugs.

Some of you guys need to relax. There might be some play in the numbers but if you expect everyone to always be 100% honest with you in life, you have a rude awakening. If you have a problem with the numbers, don't look at them. Go to your LHS and grab some sticks and buy what you like.

I do agree that the U+ is very underrated. Feel is better than most and it shoots (in my opinion) better than anything else currently on the market.

[Brian Harte 1]

Lift some weights, you guys will soon be able to accept the tremendously minimal difference in stick weights.

[hockey1933 0]

So you weighed the sticks in the last 3 days? First post asks if anyone has weighed them so I just wanted to clarify. Lastly, if you don't care then why start this topic in the first place?

Kids, go with the stick that feels good in your hands and stop worrying about what a stick may or may not weigh. To quote an old Survivor song; "If there's magic in the music, its the singer not the song."

Good points...

Good laughs, thanks Brian Harte!

[hockey1933 0]

So you weighed the sticks in the last 3 days? First post asks if anyone has weighed them so I just wanted to clarify. Lastly, if you don't care then why start this topic in the first place?

Kids, go with the stick that feels good in your hands and stop worrying about what a stick may or may not weigh. To quote an old Survivor song; "If there's magic in the music, its the singer not the song."

I weighed a 8k 2 piece (closest thing i had to a 10k, a brand new se, a cnt stealth and an origional synergy). The only stick that weighed significantly more then the stated weight was the pro stock, but the weight portion on the stick was blacked out so. The se weighed around 425, the 8k weighed about 430 and the stealth had a wood end plug but still weighed about 435-440.

I apologize, I don't have the chart in front of me... since the topic of your post is "Reebok Lies about stick weights", I am lead to believe your statements above, regarding the weights, is to back up your opinion that Reebok lies... however, I can't seem to find the 8k two piece (a completely different stick then the 10K), the cnt stealth, or the original synergy on that chart. For you to call a company dishonest based on your "evidence" is very misleading. What version of the SE did you weigh? Was it the new SE16 released earlier this year or an older model? Was it a stock, uncut, SR? Also, I am sure with your thorough experiment you weighed more than one stick to get a true average.

But like you, the thread starter said, it's not even big deal.

[hockeyherb 1]

Then at least step up to the plate and name your immediate competition, CCM, and show the weight of their LIGHTER stick (U+ CL)!

All sticks were weighed at full length and weren't altered in any way (no end plug was added). Reebok Hockey weighed several samples of each model to calculate the average weight.

Cutting three inches to achieve "industry standard length" reduces the weight of a stick by approximately 15-24 grams depending on the model. You can take the full length averages provided in the chart and reduce those by 15-24 grams to determine the weights at "industry standard length". Or as Hockey1933 recommends, go to your local hockey store, weigh several sticks from a specific model and see what the result is.

Reebok Hockey stands by the weight chart.

You mean something like this? :)

[Brian Harte 1]

Most of the sticks differ by about 10 grams.

Your standard everyday ballpoint PEN weighs 10 grams.

...just sayin'.

[K9 Unit 1]

ccm's was the one90 not the one95

[K9 Unit 1]

hehe :) to me as long the stick feels balanced, kicks hard and has amazing durability i don't care what the actual weight is, especially don't really care about company advertising

to me a balanced stick feels lighter than say a lighter but blade heavy/light stick

[automorph 0]

try the CCM U+ CL.......that is a UNBELIEVABLY light stick.....HUGE difference from all the other similar feeling sticks

[OllieCCM 1]

No, I don't mean that; Ollie is from Reebok, NOT CCM, and the brands are treated as separate companies. With that and the fact that some in this thread want honesty to be king, he should have his competition with a lighter stick listed, even though that might be from the "sister" company.

Kind of funny though how even the scales at CCM and Reebok must be different. CCM weighed the S17 at 440g while Reebok weighed it at 472. I'm sure they'll come forth and say that they only had an S17 grip to weigh, so they did that, but, what does that say about the way each one of us/companies weighs sticks?

You mean something like this? :)

The information on both charts is accurate. The CCM chart quotes the average weight for the 190 while the Reebok chart quotes the average weight for the 195...different sticks.

Concerning the S17, it weighed on average 440g in 2008. The 2009 version of the S17 weighs on average 472g.

Once again, please go to your local store and weigh the sticks yourselves. Easton, Bauer and Warrior make perfectly fine products and weight is only one component of a stick. Our goal is to simply provide accurate information about weights to consumers so that they can make an informed decision.

[K9 Unit 1]

try the CCM U+ CL.......that is a UNBELIEVABLY light stick.....HUGE difference from all the other similar feeling sticks

i would just ccm don't have my curve...recchi/tavares is close but i don't like deep curves