Worried about Moving

[Gongshow11 1]

dont let the cost of experience fool you. I have paid to play everywhere i went as an amateur...prep school, NCAA d3, none of these were full schollies. If the price is a burden talk to teams in canada where its free. Some people might say the cshl is a joke, but dont let that get you down. After the year i just had people said the same to me, and now ive moved up bigtime

but if cshl is all you got, you got to take it. Now at your age you say you want to do a trade. What happens if hockey led you down a path where one day you could play high up or even get paid? The pro route is a tough route to take, hell just ask me, but in the end everything ive done has been worth it. Your trade will always exist and they are usually in demand. Why not let hockey take you as far as possible, and if it doesnt work out in the end, hey, you can always go to school

[chippa13 1844]

I tried out for a NAHL team and was cut. I strongly believe it was due too the lack of JR experience because I was one of the biggest and smarter defensemen that had skills too work with a team at that caliber. But was lacking any fast hockey experience prior. Which is going too force me into play CSHL, now that the NAHL tryouts are over. Yea CSHL has a covercharge of $7,000 too play a season. Pretty pricey if your not planning on climbing the hockey latter all your life.

But its good too know that there have been other people out there that had to make similar choices, and thanks for posting them up.

If you indeed had the better size, smarts, and skills of the defensemen trying out then no shortcoming in experience would have kept you off the team. Did you ask the coaches what your game was missing when you were cut? It could have been a real eye-opening conversation.

[All Torhs Team 0]

but if cshl is all you got, you got to take it. Now at your age you say you want to do a trade. What happens if hockey led you down a path where one day you could play high up or even get paid? The pro route is a tough route to take, hell just ask me, but in the end everything ive done has been worth it. Your trade will always exist and they are usually in demand. Why not let hockey take you as far as possible, and if it doesnt work out in the end, hey, you can always go to school

I like that advice. I'm not a pro in the making, but I have the potential too move through the American JR system year by year. And that could be a fun experience. My father wants me too do exactly what your saying, see where my skill/motivation takes me. And school is always there.

If you indeed had the better size, smarts, and skills of the defensemen trying out then no shortcoming in experience would have kept you off the team. Did you ask the coaches what your game was missing when you were cut? It could have been a real eye-opening conversation.

I dont want too get into the shoulda/coulda/woulda game with a team I tried out for. But too answer your question I did not talk to the coach after the cut because I was pretty bitter about it. Thought I shouldve gotten the second look. Im sticking too my word though, with kids flying in from California, Toronto, Las Vegas, Boston...all with classy resumes...my last team was high school. Im positve thats why Iwas cut.

[LkptTiger 1]

I actually know a few guys who jumped right into the bigger U.S. leagues (N.A. and USHL) straight out of AAA or even H.S. hockey without a sniff of Junior experience prior. Experience is a consideration...but unless the coaching staff is already "on the fence" after seeing the on-ice product, it's hardly ever THE deciding factor.

Pulling one of the coaches aside after the fact and trying to figure out what it was that got you cut would have been a good move. Not only does it help you avoid speculation as to what went wrong, but it is also going to help you figure-out what you're missing and what you need to do about it...and you can bet the coaching staff is going to take a note in your desire to better yourself - and they'll remember you when camp rolls around next summer.

From what people have told me, I'm conviced that The Real World isn't going anywhere anytime soon. I've also gathered the impression that The Real World sucks. I'm trying to fight it off as long as possible...and I would suggest you do the same. Somewhere down the line, we're all going to wind-up playing beer league hockey (year round - not just during the summers, lol)...then we're going to have to wake-up early the next morning and go to work at a job we're (at best) not particularly crazy about. And since Social Security funds likely won't be available to our age bracket, the only "retirement" we're ever going to get is when we're physically incapable of working/caring for ourselves anymore...at which point in time, our kids are going to stick us in homes where we're just gonna watch bad TV, eat crappy food, smell really weird and wait to die.

Life isn't going to be fun, man. Why rush yourself into it? Live the dream as long as you can.

[All Torhs Team 0]

HAHA that was priceless

[Gongshow11 1]

and dont let getting cut bother you too much. I got cut from midget AAA, midget AA, played midget BB and then went to prep school and am still the only guy i know still playing hockey competitively. Heck just look at david perron

thats in quebec, so BB must be like A in the US? one step below AA idk

[LkptTiger 1]

Yep.

Tier I = AAA.

Tier II = AA.

Tier III = A = BB (P.Q.)

...and now USA Hockey is going to be starting-up that bullshit "AAAA" or "Superleague" or "Super-de-dooperleague" or whatever they're going to be calling it.

[Gongshow11 1]

fuck so i went from tier III to NCAA to now...wow

[chippa13 1844]

I actually know a few guys who jumped right into the bigger U.S. leagues (N.A. and USHL) straight out of AAA or even H.S. hockey without a sniff of Junior experience prior. Experience is a consideration...but unless the coaching staff is already "on the fence" after seeing the on-ice product, it's hardly ever THE deciding factor.

Pulling one of the coaches aside after the fact and trying to figure out what it was that got you cut would have been a good move. Not only does it help you avoid speculation as to what went wrong, but it is also going to help you figure-out what you're missing and what you need to do about it...and you can bet the coaching staff is going to take a note in your desire to better yourself - and they'll remember you when camp rolls around next summer.

From what people have told me, I'm conviced that The Real World isn't going anywhere anytime soon. I've also gathered the impression that The Real World sucks. I'm trying to fight it off as long as possible...and I would suggest you do the same. Somewhere down the line, we're all going to wind-up playing beer league hockey (year round - not just during the summers, lol)...then we're going to have to wake-up early the next morning and go to work at a job we're (at best) not particularly crazy about. And since Social Security funds likely won't be available to our age bracket, the only "retirement" we're ever going to get is when we're physically incapable of working/caring for ourselves anymore...at which point in time, our kids are going to stick us in homes where we're just gonna watch bad TV, eat crappy food, smell really weird and wait to die.

Life isn't going to be fun, man. Why rush yourself into it? Live the dream as long as you can.

While there is some truth to that, you also don't want to be 30 years old and making entry-level money while trying to support the family you started while living the dream in East BF, Texas.

[eric42434224 1]

Im sorry OP, but I have to say it. You're using the word "too" when you should be using the word "to". I'm being picky yes, but it is very noticeable, and I thought I would point it out for your benefit. I dont really have a problem with grammar or punctuation on message boards, but it seems there is genuine confusion between the two words. Really not trying to be a dick, and I apologize if it comes across that way.

[LkptTiger 1]

While there is some truth to that, you also don't want to be 30 years old and making entry-level money while trying to support the family you started while living the dream in East BF, Texas.

I left town as soon as I found-out she missed her period. Went over and played in some of the lower-level Euro pro leagues for a couple years until I figured that she had given-up her search for the baby's daddy...then came back to North America to play in the LNAH in Quebec. Now I'm 30 and still making entry-level money at some bullshit job I hate...but I don't have to support that family. Sounds a lot better, right? lol.

[eric42434224 1]

I actually know a few guys who jumped right into the bigger U.S. leagues (N.A. and USHL) straight out of AAA or even H.S. hockey without a sniff of Junior experience prior. Experience is a consideration...but unless the coaching staff is already "on the fence" after seeing the on-ice product, it's hardly ever THE deciding factor.

Pulling one of the coaches aside after the fact and trying to figure out what it was that got you cut would have been a good move. Not only does it help you avoid speculation as to what went wrong, but it is also going to help you figure-out what you're missing and what you need to do about it...and you can bet the coaching staff is going to take a note in your desire to better yourself - and they'll remember you when camp rolls around next summer.

From what people have told me, I'm conviced that The Real World isn't going anywhere anytime soon. I've also gathered the impression that The Real World sucks. I'm trying to fight it off as long as possible...and I would suggest you do the same. Somewhere down the line, we're all going to wind-up playing beer league hockey (year round - not just during the summers, lol)...then we're going to have to wake-up early the next morning and go to work at a job we're (at best) not particularly crazy about. And since Social Security funds likely won't be available to our age bracket, the only "retirement" we're ever going to get is when we're physically incapable of working/caring for ourselves anymore...at which point in time, our kids are going to stick us in homes where we're just gonna watch bad TV, eat crappy food, smell really weird and wait to die.

Life isn't going to be fun, man. Why rush yourself into it? Live the dream as long as you can.

While there is some truth to that, you also don't want to be 30 years old and making entry-level money while trying to support the family you started while living the dream in East BF, Texas.

Most people make entry level money at 30, or late 20's. If he starts a family, all bets are off. If you need to support a family, it is time to re-evaluate and take their well-being into consideration.

[epstud74 24]

While there is some truth to that, you also don't want to be 30 years old and making entry-level money while trying to support the family you started while living the dream in East BF, Texas.

I left town as soon as I found-out she missed her period. Went over and played in some of the lower-level Euro pro leagues for a couple years until I figured that she had given-up her search for the baby's daddy...then came back to North America to play in the LNAH in Quebec. Now I'm 30 and still making entry-level money at some bullshit job I hate...but I don't have to support that family. Sounds a lot better, right? lol.

You cant be serious..That is a BS move IMO. Did you play against Stephane Richer?

This girl is part of my future. I could be silly but why shut-out a good thing? Shes willing too let me do whatever, shes a legit girlfriend. The issue was just leaving her for 9 months, we're together every day.

I was hoping too play NAHL, backup would be CSHL.

Im not going too play any college hockey because all I plan on going too is trade school. Like I said the problem I have is attatchment issues but like you guys have said I think down the road I could be kicking myself in the ass for not seeing what I could've done with this.

Thanks for all your input guys its been helpful.

EDIT: I would be playing NAHL - def have the talent. But I dont have that hockey resume that those coaches look for. Im the kid right out of HS, the last NAHL team I tried out for wasn't impressed that I didnt have any other junior experience before hand. Political bs.

Why play NAHL if you're not really serious about attending a 4yr school? The NAHL produces a few (Not as many as the USHL) legit upper tier college players a year. If you can get a little bit of scholarship $$$ and perhaps attend a 2 yr school while you're in junior...You'd be setting yourself up pretty nicely. If you do get offered a bit of money to play anywhere, I'd take it and perhaps the credits you accumulated at the community college/trade school will transfer.

[LkptTiger 1]

Spud...I'm a decade shy of 30. It was a joke, son.

fuck so i went from tier III to NCAA to now...wow

Tier III --> Prep is impressive in itself...nevermind what came after that. Christ, Perron was playing Tier III and was in The Show a few years later. Seems like those coaches up in Quebec might be missing the boat at bit, eh?

One of the guys I've been skating with lately went from Tier III to the EJHL, then jumped to the USHL and got himself a ride to play D-I next year.

[chippa13 1844]

I actually know a few guys who jumped right into the bigger U.S. leagues (N.A. and USHL) straight out of AAA or even H.S. hockey without a sniff of Junior experience prior. Experience is a consideration...but unless the coaching staff is already "on the fence" after seeing the on-ice product, it's hardly ever THE deciding factor.

Pulling one of the coaches aside after the fact and trying to figure out what it was that got you cut would have been a good move. Not only does it help you avoid speculation as to what went wrong, but it is also going to help you figure-out what you're missing and what you need to do about it...and you can bet the coaching staff is going to take a note in your desire to better yourself - and they'll remember you when camp rolls around next summer.

From what people have told me, I'm conviced that The Real World isn't going anywhere anytime soon. I've also gathered the impression that The Real World sucks. I'm trying to fight it off as long as possible...and I would suggest you do the same. Somewhere down the line, we're all going to wind-up playing beer league hockey (year round - not just during the summers, lol)...then we're going to have to wake-up early the next morning and go to work at a job we're (at best) not particularly crazy about. And since Social Security funds likely won't be available to our age bracket, the only "retirement" we're ever going to get is when we're physically incapable of working/caring for ourselves anymore...at which point in time, our kids are going to stick us in homes where we're just gonna watch bad TV, eat crappy food, smell really weird and wait to die.

Life isn't going to be fun, man. Why rush yourself into it? Live the dream as long as you can.

While there is some truth to that, you also don't want to be 30 years old and making entry-level money while trying to support the family you started while living the dream in East BF, Texas.

Most people make entry level money at 30, or late 20's. If he starts a family, all bets are off. If you need to support a family, it is time to re-evaluate and take their well-being into consideration.

If you're making entry level money into your late 20's then you need to seriously reevaluate your career choice and abilities.

[eric42434224 1]

If you're making entry level money into your late 20's then you need to seriously reevaluate your career choice and abilities.

Why? More people than ever before are coming into the workforce in the late half of their 20's. More people than ever before arent even starting their "careers" until their late 20's because they may have had to support themselves in things like the food service industry until an opportunity in their chosen field is available. More people than ever are changing careers due to things like the economy, downsizing, exporting jobs, and even the actual extinction of a specific job in a field.

It not only is acceptable, but is becoming far more common, to be entry level at that point. Assuming of course you are doing everything possible to progress, it may have very little to do with career choice or ability.

I myself graduated summa cum laude with two degrees.....both fields I determined werent for me. I worked as a bartender until I finally got into my current field. I was entry level at 30, and make 6 figures before 40. It had nothing to do with my ability, nor with career choice (the careers I studied for are fine careers).

Life does not always...in fact it rarely goes they way and speed you want.

[chippa13 1844]

The only thing blocking someone from their career path and goals is themselves. People need to be less strict in the job they are looking for in a desired field. Just because the exact job you're looking for isn't open there may still be opportunities in a like or related position from which a person could transition later into their desired path, all while building experience and earning power. You are better off shifting two years later from a related field where you're already built some salary rather than waiting tables and starting fresh.

[BTMLB5 0]

what cshl team?

[epstud74 24]

If you're making entry level money into your late 20's then you need to seriously reevaluate your career choice and abilities.

Why? More people than ever before are coming into the workforce in the late half of their 20's. More people than ever before arent even starting their "careers" until their late 20's because they may have had to support themselves in things like the food service industry until an opportunity in their chosen field is available. More people than ever are changing careers due to things like the economy, downsizing, exporting jobs, and even the actual extinction of a specific job in a field.

It not only is acceptable, but is becoming far more common, to be entry level at that point. Assuming of course you are doing everything possible to progress, it may have very little to do with career choice or ability.

I myself graduated summa cum laude with two degrees.....both fields I determined werent for me. I worked as a bartender until I finally got into my current field. I was entry level at 30, and make 6 figures before 40. It had nothing to do with my ability, nor with career choice (the careers I studied for are fine careers).

Life does not always...in fact it rarely goes they way and speed you want.

Yes, but we're talking hockey here.

[eric42434224 1]

Epstud74: We are talking about both his hockey and vocation.

Chippa: I disagree. There are a plethora of circumstances that can stand in the path of a career other than the persons ability or drive. That is a pretty narrow and ridgid point of view IMO. The experience I gained from Bartending FAR outweighed any experience I could have recieved pushing paper in a back office job waiting to "transition". You are entitled to your opinion of course, but my experience is like many others which goes against what you are asserting. Not by any means saying your way isnt valid. I would say that path, not knowing what may lie ahead, is the smartest course of action.....but you know what they say.....Best laid plans of mice and men.........

[Gongshow11 1]

hahaha unreal quote lkpttiger

[All Torhs Team 0]

Why play NAHL if you're not really serious about attending a 4yr school?

Because I like to play hockey at a level that fits my talent.

[epstud74 24]

Where are you from? The NAHL is more midwest and western...If you're from the east coast, the junior leagues out there may make more sense..Who knows? The USHL and NAHL are full of kids trying to earn college scholarships or some money to attend college.

[dontdumpdangle 0]

The only way I would recomend playing juniors if you DONT plan on going to school is if you were to play in the NA or the USHL or a league in canada where you dont have to pay to play. All the tier III junior A leagues in the states cost way too much to justify playing if you're not going to play college. Besides, the only legit Tier III A league is the EJ and I payed 6 g's to play there last year and it'll probally be more for me this year.

[epstud74 24]

Yes, but is he good enough to play? He'll have to try out, but havent a few of the tryouts already been done? I was at the Bloomington Ice Garden about a month ago and some NAHL team from Wichita Falls, TX had a tryout..Not sure if anyone showed up though.