High End Stick With Low Kick Points

[Kezetto 0]

Hey guys broke my One95 today :( , soooo the time has come to search the market. So I was kinda wondering if you gys could help me out....

So could you guys tell me some high end sticks with a low kick point that are on the market at the moment, thanks guy's

[K9 Unit 1]

literally everything out there :)

rbk 10k + 8k, bauer vapor xxxx, easton se16, s17, s19 soon, warrior dolomite, dolo spyne, kronik, ccm u+, bauer vapor x:60 soon, tps r10 etc. etc.

[gxc999 7]

The 10k is cream of the crop for low kick sticks. SE16 would also be a decent choice.

[stuie7 6]

literally everything out there :)

rbk 10k + 8k, bauer vapor xxxx, easton se16, s17, s19 soon, warrior dolomite, dolo spyne, kronik, ccm u+, bauer vapor x:60 soon, tps r10 etc. etc.

I thought the S17 (and assumingly S19) had a mid kick point, because its above the elliptical taper?

[Cams 7]

I have a XXXX on order, expecting this week. My Synergy Elite 2 pc, supposedly is a lower kick point shaft, however - to be honest - I don't really notice much a difference, and that is after using it the last half of my summer league. I would suggest grabbing the XXXX - they are being cleared out at a lot of places - I assume to make room for the X60.

[Rustpot 1]

Well it really depends on who you go by- the manufacturers pretty much insist everything from an AK27, to an S17, to a Vapor XXXX are low kick sticks. There's also how low you can go. I'd consider the Supreme line to be low kick since they tend to get bendier at teh bottom hand, but the Vapor line seems to like loading more into the taper.

You also need to mind what works for you. The lower kick sticks tend to perceived as being stiffer, and the shot comes off of them differently. For me, loading a standard or traditional low kick is fairly straight forward and results in a nice shot. Trying the same thing with a XXXX, 9k, or a Fuel Ti results in a flubbed pile of garbage since my form needed to change.

For me, going with a lower flex in an ultra-low got my shot looking better (say going down to 77 from 87 in an XXXX), but it added the benefit of taking away the "instability" of low flex sticks that tend to torque and flex when receiving passes or just simply handling the puck. I still wouldn't call them effortless as the traditional low flexes tend to be though. Anything but a properly taken shot wouldn't load the stick and the result was the same as having too high of a flex, where a whip standard shaft will launch the puck if you sneeze while it's on your blade.

[fatwabbit 93]

Rustspot, would you say that the Fuel Ti/Ti Pro would have a similar kickpoint as the XXXX?

[Jarick 5]

The S17 and S19 have higher kickpoints.

Cams, I've had three Synergy 2 shafts and all three felt like mid kickpoint sticks. I don't know why, but they do.

My Fuel Pyro plays like a higher kickpoint, not sure what it's supposed to be. Accurate but doesn't load up as quick, could just be that it feels like an 80 flex although it's listed 65.

[Cams 7]

Jarick, I agree - the Elite shaft does not feel like it has a lower kick point. I guess I'll be able to confirm for use I get my XXXX and put it use.

[Chadd 916]

Well it really depends on who you go by- the manufacturers pretty much insist everything from an AK27, to an S17, to a Vapor XXXX are low kick sticks. There's also how low you can go. I'd consider the Supreme line to be low kick since they tend to get bendier at teh bottom hand, but the Vapor line seems to like loading more into the taper.

You also need to mind what works for you. The lower kick sticks tend to perceived as being stiffer, and the shot comes off of them differently. For me, loading a standard or traditional low kick is fairly straight forward and results in a nice shot. Trying the same thing with a XXXX, 9k, or a Fuel Ti results in a flubbed pile of garbage since my form needed to change.

For me, going with a lower flex in an ultra-low got my shot looking better (say going down to 77 from 87 in an XXXX), but it added the benefit of taking away the "instability" of low flex sticks that tend to torque and flex when receiving passes or just simply handling the puck. I still wouldn't call them effortless as the traditional low flexes tend to be though. Anything but a properly taken shot wouldn't load the stick and the result was the same as having too high of a flex, where a whip standard shaft will launch the puck if you sneeze while it's on your blade.

One of the more informative posts I've seen in a while.

[Cams 7]

As Rustpot mentioned, I am going to the 77 flex on my XXXX, which I think will benefit me. For the price on HG for these sticks, I couldn't pass on it. I think after using this stick - I should (at least I hope!) know what stick is "the one for me".

[Kezetto 0]

Thanks for some of you idea .. i might go with the 10k

[gxc999 7]

Rustpot said it well indeed. To me, switching from a mid-high kick to a true ultra low KP is only noticeable on slappers, which I rarely, rarely take in game. The funny thing I've found is that I usually prefer a low KP stick with an 87, but anything else with around 102. If only every company made 95 flex :lol:

[Scotty 8]

Rustpot said it well indeed. To me, switching from a mid-high kick to a true ultra low KP is only noticeable on slappers, which I rarely, rarely take in game. The funny thing I've found is that I usually prefer a low KP stick with an 87, but anything else with around 102. If only every company made 95 flex :lol:

I think a lower flex is necessary to compensate for the stiffer feeling a true low kickpoint stick creates. When I switched to Synergys back in the early 2000s, I went to an 85 to compensate for lesser degrees of that feeling.

[gxc999 7]

Rustpot said it well indeed. To me, switching from a mid-high kick to a true ultra low KP is only noticeable on slappers, which I rarely, rarely take in game. The funny thing I've found is that I usually prefer a low KP stick with an 87, but anything else with around 102. If only every company made 95 flex :lol:

I think a lower flex is necessary to compensate for the stiffer feeling a true low kickpoint stick creates. When I switched to Synergys back in the early 2000s, I went to an 85 to compensate for lesser degrees of that feeling.

I agree, but I'm not sure from a physics perspective as to why a true low KP stick feels stiffer. Is it just because more energy has to transfer further down from your bottom hand or is it something more complex?

[Chadd 916]

Rustpot said it well indeed. To me, switching from a mid-high kick to a true ultra low KP is only noticeable on slappers, which I rarely, rarely take in game. The funny thing I've found is that I usually prefer a low KP stick with an 87, but anything else with around 102. If only every company made 95 flex :lol:

I think a lower flex is necessary to compensate for the stiffer feeling a true low kickpoint stick creates. When I switched to Synergys back in the early 2000s, I went to an 85 to compensate for lesser degrees of that feeling.

I agree, but I'm not sure from a physics perspective as to why a true low KP stick feels stiffer. Is it just because more energy has to transfer further down from your bottom hand or is it something more complex?

Think of it this way, if the kick point is just above the blade, how much can it possibly load? You're almost back to a non-tapered shaft if you aren't getting load below the kickpoint. I'm not an engineer, nor do I pretend to be one. I'm just going by the sticks that worked best for me.

[Scotty 8]

Rustpot said it well indeed. To me, switching from a mid-high kick to a true ultra low KP is only noticeable on slappers, which I rarely, rarely take in game. The funny thing I've found is that I usually prefer a low KP stick with an 87, but anything else with around 102. If only every company made 95 flex :lol:

I think a lower flex is necessary to compensate for the stiffer feeling a true low kickpoint stick creates. When I switched to Synergys back in the early 2000s, I went to an 85 to compensate for lesser degrees of that feeling.

I agree, but I'm not sure from a physics perspective as to why a true low KP stick feels stiffer. Is it just because more energy has to transfer further down from your bottom hand or is it something more complex?

Imagine a standard shaft: take it and try to bend/flex it at the halfway point in the shaft where it normally kicks.

It would be much easier to do this than to flex it at the 3/4 mark down the shaft because you have more length to work with. When the length the stick has to work with to flex is "shortened" (by the lower kickpoint), it will seemingly feel as if you have to work harder to get that smaller area to bend.

[Chadd 916]

Rustpot said it well indeed. To me, switching from a mid-high kick to a true ultra low KP is only noticeable on slappers, which I rarely, rarely take in game. The funny thing I've found is that I usually prefer a low KP stick with an 87, but anything else with around 102. If only every company made 95 flex :lol:

I think a lower flex is necessary to compensate for the stiffer feeling a true low kickpoint stick creates. When I switched to Synergys back in the early 2000s, I went to an 85 to compensate for lesser degrees of that feeling.

I agree, but I'm not sure from a physics perspective as to why a true low KP stick feels stiffer. Is it just because more energy has to transfer further down from your bottom hand or is it something more complex?

Imagine a standard shaft: take it and try to bend/flex it at the halfway point in the shaft where it normally kicks.

It would be much easier to do this than to flex it at the 3/4 mark down the shaft because you have more length to work with. When the length the stick has to work with to flex is "shortened" (by the lower kickpoint), it will seemingly feel as if you have to work harder to get that smaller area to bend.

If you have to put more force to get the same amount of bend in the stick, it's a different flex. Tapered sticks should be measured by the amount of force it takes to deflect the blade(1", 6", 10", or whatever) not how much force it takes to make the middle of the shaft bend an inch. A standard shaft will generally start to bend immediately below your bottom hand and I would hope that isn't 3/4 of the way down the shaft.

[Rustpot 1]

They feel stiffer because you aren't feeling the deflection over as large of an area. There is barely any movement in your hands and it takes a more concentrated shot to get the proper load.

In traditional thinking it takes more lever force between the hands to load a higher flex stick that bends between the hands. When you move the kickpoint lower and continue to try to create the leverage in the same way you aren't properly applying the forces and therefore you won't get it to load properly. This is why a different shot mechanism must be applied, and why people like me can't transition to them very easily and still get anything but a perfect shot off.

For me it takes the hands leading the blade more going into the shot and working the top hand further out to get the stick working. That said, I went back to the SE after having several other sticks that didn't work with my shot. I'd rather use old technology that works for me rather than adapting my already pissy game to a piece of equipment that is difficult for me to use.

To the person who asked; I felt the Fuel Ti was pretty close to the XXXX in terms of the shot mechanics. The blade to me was a ton better with the Fuel, but the shaft shape on both was wrong for me.

[Scotty 8]

They feel stiffer because you aren't feeling the deflection over as large of an area. There is barely any movement in your hands and it takes a more concentrated shot to get the proper load.

This is pretty much what i was trying to convey in simple terms.

[gxc999 7]

Well that all makes sense. I've just found dropping the hands on a low-kp stick helps, slapshots require more effort at first though. I also think the individual traits of the stick you're using matter a lot in terms of whether or not you have to change your shooting technique a lot. It would really be interesting to have someone make a video using a variety of sticks w/ diff KPs but use the exact same technique and see what happens.

[Jarick 5]

Just my experience with the One95 vs XXV, both 67 flex, both new, both P88 curves:

On ice, the XXV felt a lot better in terms of shooting, more accuracy on my shots and easier to load. Dryland shooting, they felt about the same, the One95 felt like it had more pop. Not sure why that is.

[gxc999 7]

Just my experience with the One95 vs XXV, both 67 flex, both new, both P88 curves:

On ice, the XXV felt a lot better in terms of shooting, more accuracy on my shots and easier to load. Dryland shooting, they felt about the same, the One95 felt like it had more pop. Not sure why that is.

That's very interesting. The vapor 25 is lower kickpoint, right? Are you talking about all shots, just wristers, snappers, or what? That's what makes a big difference to me. My wristers are better with low kps, my snappers seem to be ok with both, slappers are clearly better with high kp. Is everyone else feeling the same?