X60 Skates outsole

[AFK66 0]

Have any of you guys skating in the 60's have problems with your out soles? Mine are chipping/coming apart. I'll have to take pictures later, but there slowly starting to break apart. Also how are you guys doing with the inner liner? Mine are starting to rip and wear extremely. As for the skates, there about 6months old now, playing about 5 times a week. Skates are taken care of, dried with foot beds out etc... Just curious it didn't seem like my 40's wore quite as bad, I got about a year out of them before switching to the newer skates...

[thorbs 2]

I've had mine since January, and have been skating 1 - 4x a week since then. I'm seeing a ton of superficial damage and my tongues are started to wear on the side, albeit much better than my XXXXs were before them.

My soles are fine, just discoloured a bit because I forget to wash my socks once in a while.

I wouldn't call the x:60 a durable skate, but it's not falling to pieces on me.

[AFK66 0]

I've had mine since January, and have been skating 1 - 4x a week since then. I'm seeing a ton of superficial damage and my tongues are started to wear on the side, albeit much better than my XXXXs were before them.

My soles are fine, just discoloured a bit because I forget to wash my socks once in a while.

I wouldn't call the x:60 a durable skate, but it's not falling to pieces on me.

yeah I was just curious to see what others are seeing with those skates... I've never expect a pair of skates to last more than a year or there about for me with the ice time there seeing. Thanks for the feedback though.

[SolarWind 23]

yeah I was just curious to see what others are seeing with those skates... I've never expect a pair of skates to last more than a year or there about for me with the ice time there seeing. Thanks for the feedback though.

I remember asking a similar question, and as far as I recall most feedback was fairly positive - just search, should be a few threads on this topic for sure!

[wetwilly17 6]

Have any of you guys skating in the 60's have problems with your out soles? Mine are chipping/coming apart. I'll have to take pictures later, but there slowly starting to break apart. Also how are you guys doing with the inner liner? Mine are starting to rip and wear extremely. As for the skates, there about 6months old now, playing about 5 times a week. Skates are taken care of, dried with foot beds out etc... Just curious it didn't seem like my 40's wore quite as bad, I got about a year out of them before switching to the newer skates...

some footbeds are hard to pull out and really rub/scrape the boot liner at the heel area when you remove it. i have superfeet which are a really stiff footbed and i've started leaving them in because i think removing them every skate has done more harm than good.

[MyBoxersSayJoe 133]

I've had mine for about 7 months now while skating 2-5 times a week, either playing or coaching.

I've noticed superficial scrapes and marks as someone else stated, but I haven't had any problems with them structurally. I just leave them out to dry after every use. The liner's holding up fine, the carbon outsole is in excellent shape.

I would think that for the price, the skates would be holding up a little better than they have over a half-year's use as far as scrapes go, but there's nothing majorly wrong with them. I Have LE's, so I don't know if that makes any difference or not.

[MLSman 22]

It's really tough to come up with a generalization of a retail skate when you weigh in the person's weight, height, amount of use, proper fit, extent of use, etc.

All in all...a person wearing a skate 5x a week should surely be considering investing in a custom boot. Even though I am only 160lbs, the amount of usage, the desire for the proper fit, and the preference for a stiffer boot have more than doubled the durability and performance. It sounds like, from your post, that a full composite outsole on a retail boot has not worked. This can happen for a number of reasons, including excessive use or wear, improper fit, possible defects, etc. When you go the custom route, you can get a number of outsole options, like combination TPU/Composite (like on the old Supreme 7000, 8000, 8090) which are considerably more durable (add a little bit of weight, but negligible). Other issues like liners can be addressed with custom choices as well as double stitching and reinforcement of heavy wear areas. The extra $75-$100 for going this route is a minor addition when you have the ability to address the weaknesses you have experienced on past skates. I know it's a tough pill to swallow after only 6 months of use...but in reality a retail boot is not tested for the excessive use you described. Your frequency of use is high, and most skates at the level of use are custom (college, minors, pro)...or at retail are replaced very frequently. Some high level players do wear retail spec skates...but go through them very quickly...and 6 months of use would be considered a long time at the elite level.

[SolarWind 23]

Liner usually wears off when there is extra movement inside the boot or the tongue edges are rubbing against the liner, so if you don’t lace up the top eyelet and also wear shins-in; it will destroy any skate very quickly.

I was thinking about it & also looking at some TotalOne Bauer videos on their site & it shows a player taking off (zooming on the skates during the first 2-3 steps) and you can see how the tongue moves against the skate even though the skate is fully laced. this is because laces obviously stretch & give, so I'm really not sure of the validity of this assertion?

if anything it seems that the boot wrap has more to do with it - if it wraps to much then it doesn't open enough & friction between the tongue & quarters happens.

having that said I'd probably guess that the states in this particular case don't fit well - most likely too big, which easily can cause all these issues.

[MLSman 22]

Fit is the most likely culprit, but 5x a week could also be a contributor. The only liner I have ever seen that dries in less than 24 hours consistently are grip liners. Most other retail liners do not dry that fast consistently without assistance (i.e. skate dryer). A damp liner is a likely contributor to premature breakdown of the material.

With respect to the outsole, I used to notice wear on the TPU material on the edges of by Bauer 7000s and my Ignite 1 skates (way back in 2000). Also had wear issues with One90s (last retail skate I bought in 2008). This was all due to the improper fit and the skate "bottoming out" on me. Since going custom this no longer happens, because the width of the skate has been adjusted accordingly for my narrow foot and heel (true C/AA). You can skimp on cost everywhere else at an elite level. You just can't do that with skates.

[MLSman 22]

I think you forget that most people here or any other forum buy skates online, second hand, discontinued models, sale... basically not at full cost at your LHS. So for them it’s not an extra $70, the difference is probably in the range of $150. Just like in life when you try to shave corners you pay for it, people want their cake and eat it too, it's a cycle of life and we are the official complaint department for these people. TPU outsole is very thick puts you higher on the ice and gives less feel between foot and the ice, players want to feel as close to the ice as possible, I think it's also less dense then composite outsole so less energy transfer. There is nothing wrong with the composite outsoles today, it’s more then strong enough to survive a season. But I do like the V40/One90/95 outsole better then newer X60, which is slightly stiffer and gives less feel.

Cheers

...and to expect durability with what you said from a skate used 5x a week is completely ridiculous. To think I forgot something means you didn't read my post. My point was simple...going custom gives you the option to customize your outsole...as well as the ability to ensure a proper fit. I was not saying that TPU was "better" or was comparing the difference of various outsoles...I was pointing out that you have the ability to choose. When you are playing 5x a week...online, second hand, discontinued models, or sales should not be your choice if you plan to expect durability....when people playing that much will go through 6-12 pairs of skates a year at the elite level.

[MLSman 22]

It's funny we're arguing about things that we both agree on :-) Usually when people ask questions or complain about something if they take a minute to think about it, for the most part they can answer their own questions. We need more people from the figure skate community on this board, then all of the durability and skate value concerns would disappear.

Cheers

Nah...I wouldn't say we're arguing buddy! I would say that people can't expect generalities on equipment when they are easily classified as excessive users, or outside the normal user for whatever reason. I also totally agree with your point on figure skating. Hockey players would quit bitching about skates quickly if they had a clue as to what a figure skater that skates 5x a week would spend in a year on boots and blades. You are easily talking 3x more per pair of skates...and I am comparing a custom Total One ($900 US) to a top of the line pro figure skate/blade combo. In most cases elite figure skaters will buy them separately, and the boot alone is twice the cost. It's insane.

[MilleniumFalcon 5]

I've got the same issues with XX, XXX and XXXX. Inner rips, tongues broke, outsole frays

[MLSman 22]

I've got the same issues with XX, XXX and XXXX. Inner rips, tongues broke, outsole frays

The XX was notorious for premature breakdown. It was a brand new first generation re-design of the vapors. Great performing skate and super light for its time...but the materials broke down very fast. I know a few guys wearing pro stock versions and they held up for a few seasons of pretty intense use. The XXX was a major step forward in durability. The XXXX was in my opinion the best version of the vapor line. I used my XXXX custom skates (3-4 times a week)...and were in good shape after a year of use. I tried a custom X60, but just didn't like the performance of the boot compared to the custom CCM U+ reloadeds. I then switched to a custom Total One, and will be in that boot for quite a while. The fit job was perfect and after 5 months the skate still looks like new. The only thing I would do different is a traditional tongue vs the reflex tongue. It's a great concept and design...I just like the traditional felt tongue more. Sent my skates out last week to get Graf tongues installed on them...can't wait!

[AFK66 0]

Thanks for all the responses guys. My main concern was the out sole peeling and cracking... Didn't have this issue with my 40's, or older skates for that matter. I think the costume route will be the next step, pending I don't try the MLX's, but I hate switching skates once I've been in a certain brand for a while. Everyone take it easy and have a nice holiday.....