what's the burrows or kopitar curves going to do for me vs zetterbert

[mjpisat 36]

been using the zetterberg curve now for a while on a widow and now covert. i have no problem lifting the puck, sometimes I actually fire it over the net. not sure if that's more me, curve, 75 flex. have some issues holding on to the puck stick handling also. anyway, thinking about going up to an 85 flex and possibly switching curves. seeing if anybody else changed from the zetterberg to one of these and what their experience was.

[JR Boucicaut 3802]

Burrows is a clone.

[mjpisat 36]

Burrows is a clone.

i though burrows/savard is the p09 (stamkos/modano) Zetterberg is P88(kane) and kopitar is P92 (bakstrom)

[Kyle Friedman 9]

burrows is modano/stamkos/zetterburg(easton). Zetterburg(warrior) is P88, not sure on the kopitar. Its not as open or deep of a curve as a p92 though I dont think.

[JR Boucicaut 3802]

I'm sorry; I read that as an Easton Zetterberg.

Kopitar is the old Draper, which is a Sakic clone.

[mjpisat 36]

so going from a warrior zetterberg (p88) to a warrior burrows (p09) or warrior kopitar (p92)

it's weird. my tape wears pretty good on the heel and toe, but no as much in the middle of the blade. i'm 5'8 and it's cut just below my chin in skates.

[donkers 31]

I'm sorry; I read that as an Easton Zetterberg.

Kopitar is the old Draper, which is a Sakic clone.

Did Draper get changed to Toews then Kopitar or Toews to Draper then to Kopitar?

[JR Boucicaut 3802]

They never had a chance to do anything when it became Toews, as it was really quick. I believe they went back to Draper then to Kopitar.

[mjpisat 36]

Any thought on the og question

[Chadd 916]

I would go with the Burrows curve and stick with the same flex. Changing too many things at the same time make it harder to figure out what works and what does not.

[innotastic 12]

i'd go with an 85 flex same curve. i find a stiffer flex easier to puck handle and shoot low with, more control cause it doesnt load as easily. you might lose shoot velocity if you can't flex an 85 properly, but if thats not an issue that going to a stiffer flex is fine.

also, it went draper -> toews (for the last generation of dolomite sticks only) back to draper for the initial widow release, then kopitar.

[donkers 31]

Any thought on the og question

I recently went from a Tavares curve that really helped me keep my shot down to a Kopitar and yeah, my shot has been rising a lot lately unless I'm really mindful of it and try to keep it down. Stick handling hasn't changed but then again I don't really have hands to begin with. Sounds to me like you just need to play around with the curve some more. You're going from a closed face to an open face.

i'd go with an 85 flex same curve. i find a stiffer flex easier to puck handle and shoot low with, more control cause it doesnt load as easily. you might lose shoot velocity if you can't flex an 85 properly, but if thats not an issue that going to a stiffer flex is fine.

also, it went draper -> toews (for the last generation of dolomite sticks only) back to draper for the initial widow release, then kopitar.

Cool, thanks for the info. I was just curious because I ordered some Draper Banditos but they sent me Toews.

[footwdg 1]

Mjpisat, here's my experience with all three:

Zetterberg seems to be right in the middle of the Burrows and Kopitar. The Kopitar has more curve, and is more open, so it probably won't help you with keeping your shots down, (unless maybe you go up in flex) but may help you more with your stickhandling. The Burrows has less curve so you'll keep your shots down, but you'll probably have a harder time with stickhandling. So, if you were to look at all three:

Zetterberg: going up in flex may help you keep your shots down but you're in the same boat stickhandling.

Kopitar: will have a harder time keeping shots down but should improve stickhandling.

Burrows: will keep shots down, but may have a harder time stickhandling.

Two things I'd suggest: going up in flex with the Zetterberg or have you looked at a Kovalchuk? The Kovalchuk isn't offered anymore with Warriors newer sticks, but you could get that pattern on something a little "older." Miseaujeu said the Zetterberg and Kovalchuk are almost identical but the Kovalchuk is a little less open and not as rockered as the Zetterberg. Since it's a little less open maybe that will help keep the shots down.

[mjpisat 36]

Mjpisat, here's my experience with all three:

Zetterberg seems to be right in the middle of the Burrows and Kopitar. The Kopitar has more curve, and is more open, so it probably won't help you with keeping your shots down, (unless maybe you go up in flex) but may help you more with your stickhandling. The Burrows has less curve so you'll keep your shots down, but you'll probably have a harder time with stickhandling. So, if you were to look at all three:

Zetterberg: going up in flex may help you keep your shots down but you're in the same boat stickhandling.

Kopitar: will have a harder time keeping shots down but should improve stickhandling.

Burrows: will keep shots down, but may have a harder time stickhandling.

Two things I'd suggest: going up in flex with the Zetterberg or have you looked at a Kovalchuk? The Kovalchuk isn't offered anymore with Warriors newer sticks, but you could get that pattern on something a little "older." Miseaujeu said the Zetterberg and Kovalchuk are almost identical but the Kovalchuk is a little less open and not as rockered as the Zetterberg. Since it's a little less open maybe that will help keep the shots down.

Thanks for the reply. So what will "not as rockered" do for me?

[Chadd 916]

Thanks for the reply. So what will "not as rockered" do for me?

More of the blade flat on the ice, making it easier to catch passes, shoot and deke, but slightly harder to toe drag.

[mjpisat 36]

What's less rockered. Kopitar or zetterberg or burrows?

[davidfinlay276 4]

More of the blade flat on the ice, making it easier to catch passes, shoot and deke, but slightly harder to toe drag.

Depends on your technique. If you shoot snappers from the mid-toe region, setting up the shot with pressure on the mid-toe region and the heel slightly off the ice, then it's easier to shoot with more rockered blades. For example, how these guys shoot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp3yNDYzshg

[Chadd 916]

I've been on the record a number of times saying that I don't think you should only use one style of shot. Especially one that has so many moving parts and takes so long to execute. Don't lock yourself into one style of shot with your equipment choices

[mjpisat 36]

Do the p88 and p92 have the same rocker and then the p9 has less than them? Seems p92 and p88 are the same except p92 is more open.

[davidfinlay276 4]

I've been on the record a number of times saying that I don't think you should only use one style of shot. Especially one that has so many moving parts and takes so long to execute. Don't lock yourself into one style of shot with your equipment choices

Good point, and I do agree that you should practice to get good shots off in almost any situation. At the same time, I do think it's nice to have a "go to" shot that you can really rip when you do have time and space. I'm not trying to say that rockered blades are better for everyone, or for shooting in general. However, if your go to shot is to shoot off the toe, with the puck in close to your body, then you'll likely shoot best with a blade that has a good amount of rocker. Basically, some people will shoot better with a blade that has a big rocker, others will shoot better with a blade that has little rocker, depending on your mechanics/the type of shots you take the most.

[Chadd 916]

Good point, and I do agree that you should practice to get good shots off in almost any situation. At the same time, I do think it's nice to have a "go to" shot that you can really rip when you do have time and space. I'm not trying to say that rockered blades are better for everyone, or for shooting in general. However, if your go to shot is to shoot off the toe, with the puck in close to your body, then you'll likely shoot best with a blade that has a good amount of rocker. Basically, some people will shoot better with a blade that has a big rocker, others will shoot better with a blade that has little rocker, depending on your mechanics/the type of shots you take the most.

Very few people do better with a bigger rocker without using it for a long time. A big rocker also gives you much less usable blade for stick handling. The easton E28 doesn't have a huge rocker, it's still fairly mild compared to some of the Bauer options.

[mjpisat 36]

i think i'm leaning toward the kopitar and this is why. when i say i'm putting shots over the net that is mostly at stick and shoot sessions. i've gotten into a habit there of shooting like the 15 yr olds. sort of just flinging it toward the net. in game situations my shots are usually on net.

i have a warrior with the zetterberg curve that i have cut down a little bit recently. it's between my nose and upper lip without my skates on. I've found i like to keep the puck closer to me when stick handling. when I shoot i move it a little further away. anyway, since i've cut it shorter i notice my tape is wearing in a weird way. it wears down a lot at the heel, wears a little on the toe, and next to nothing in the middle. when i skate without the puck i hold my stick in one hand so i'm guessing the excessive heel tape wear is from that.

with that being said, does it sound like since i've cut the stick down a little bit the lie may be too low? that's why the wear on the toe and not really in the middle?

[davidfinlay276 4]

Very few people do better with a bigger rocker without using it for a long time. A big rocker also gives you much less usable blade for stick handling. The easton E28 doesn't have a huge rocker, it's still fairly mild compared to some of the Bauer options.

Fair enough. I personally like a decent amount of rocker, so I can handle the puck (and shoot) both far from my body and close to my body, but I'm not necessarily typical.

i think i'm leaning toward the kopitar and this is why. when i say i'm putting shots over the net that is mostly at stick and shoot sessions. i've gotten into a habit there of shooting like the 15 yr olds. sort of just flinging it toward the net. in game situations my shots are usually on net.

i have a warrior with the zetterberg curve that i have cut down a little bit recently. it's between my nose and upper lip without my skates on. I've found i like to keep the puck closer to me when stick handling. when I shoot i move it a little further away. anyway, since i've cut it shorter i notice my tape is wearing in a weird way. it wears down a lot at the heel, wears a little on the toe, and next to nothing in the middle. when i skate without the puck i hold my stick in one hand so i'm guessing the excessive heel tape wear is from that.

with that being said, does it sound like since i've cut the stick down a little bit the lie may be too low? that's why the wear on the toe and not really in the middle?

Depends how you shoot. If you tend to drag/pull the puck with your toe to set up your snap shots, then it's normal to have wear at the toe. If you don't specifically do toe drag/pull type moves, and you notice that your shots feel awkward, like the tip of your blade is sort of getting in the way, then the lie is too low for you.

Side note, you say you move the puck FURTHER from your body when you shoot? Most high level players will try to move the puck a bit closer to their body when shooting. Just as an experiment, without a puck try to get a good flex on your stick using a shooting motion with the blade far away from you, then try again with the blade close to you. You should find that it's much easier to load up the stick with the blade close to you, it really allows you to get your weight into the shot. With the blade far away it's tough to load and your blade just sort of slips forward automatically, making it tough to take a proper snap shot where you actually load up the stick right before the shot/release. I'm not talking about having the blade right in your skates, obviously, but having the blade around 1.5-2 feet or so from your closest skate during the real loading phase of your shot, like this:

[Amiroo39 121]

basically been using the widow kovulchuk curve for the last two years, decided to try the kopitar with the covert dt1. Its honestly a really fun curve to play with, it takes a while to get used to, specially backhanders. you also have to remember that the lie is different too. The thing that surprised me the most with this curve was how accurate it was. If you like shooting high, its a really fun curve. Also, you can just try it out for a month since warrior has the built better guarantee thing going.

[mjpisat 36]

Depends how you shoot. If you tend to drag/pull the puck with your toe to set up your snap shots, then it's normal to have wear at the toe. If you don't specifically do toe drag/pull type moves, and you notice that your shots feel awkward, like the tip of your blade is sort of getting in the way, then the lie is too low for you.

Side note, you say you move the puck FURTHER from your body when you shoot? Most high level players will try to move the puck a bit closer to their body when shooting. Just as an experiment, without a puck try to get a good flex on your stick using a shooting motion with the blade far away from you, then try again with the blade close to you. You should find that it's much easier to load up the stick with the blade close to you, it really allows you to get your weight into the shot. With the blade far away it's tough to load and your blade just sort of slips forward automatically, making it tough to take a proper snap shot where you actually load up the stick right before the shot/release. I'm not talking about having the blade right in your skates, obviously, but having the blade around 1.5-2 feet or so from your closest skate during the real loading phase of your shot, like this:

Shouldn't have said that. I don't think i move it further from me. I stickhandle with the puck about 1.5 feet or so in front of me and then shoot with it about the same distance away. i'd still like to figure out why the tape really isn't wearing in the middle.