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Trying 100k's Next Week

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3 minutes ago, Jbear said:

Respectfully..."power and control" is...IMO...straight up marketing. I bet you can skate with power, control, agility, speed...etc.  in any skate if you're a strong skater.  My opinion...having skated in many high end skates (from 1977-current)...it's all about what feels good on your feet and accommodates your stride and edges. I'm not slower in Ribcores or Vapors, nor am I faster in Tacks.  That doesn't negate what you are feeling in your skates.  Just saying that if you feel better doing certain things in a given boot...it's because of your mechanics.  Maybe I'm full of it, but that's my take. Same thing with twigs...if I have the right feel/balance and flex...kickpoint means nothing to me. 

Having skated side by side, I disagree. They def. have different shaped boots. The supremes are more upright which I feel prevents more power leak per stride. 

To your point, I think the Supremes accommodate something closer to a back squat, which is where you're going to get most of your power. There are subtle/not-so-subtle differences in each boot. Some might care for it, but sure, others might not. 

This is just my take, but you can't really know until you've tried both. Now I have. 

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On 6/29/2022 at 7:53 AM, pgeorgan said:

've already tried the Jetspeed and didn't like them. There's no way I'm going to like the Tack line. Too stiff for me. 

Machs it is. 

For the record, I did really like the 100k Pro fit. 

What made you decide on the Bauer Supreme Mach skates? Did you consider the Vapor line? I'm curious, because I'm trying to decide between the Supreme M5 Pro and Vapor 3X Pro.

I returned my Ribcor 100K skates yesterday under the 90-day warranty. The tongue on my left skate kept detaching every time I was putting that skate on, and it was a PITA. CCM wouldn't just send me a replacement tongue and told me to deal with the store directly.  Problem is that the store is 50 miles away (the only place that had my size in stock) and I can't be bothered taking a chance that I would have to return there. Since every CCM skate has that silly replaceable tongue feature (probably great for pros, but useless over engineering for me), I decided to look into Bauer.

Which Bauer skate has the best flexibility, like the Ribcor?

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22 minutes ago, DSOP said:

What made you decide on the Bauer Supreme Mach skates? Did you consider the Vapor line? I'm curious, because I'm trying to decide between the Supreme M5 Pro and Vapor 3X Pro.

I returned my Ribcor 100K skates yesterday under the 90-day warranty. The tongue on my left skate kept detaching every time I was putting that skate on, and it was a PITA. CCM wouldn't just send me a replacement tongue and told me to deal with the store directly.  Problem is that the store is 50 miles away (the only place that had my size in stock) and I can't be bothered taking a chance that I would have to return there. Since every CCM skate has that silly replaceable tongue feature (probably great for pros, but useless over engineering for me), I decided to look into Bauer.

Which Bauer skate has the best flexibility, like the Ribcor?

I had the 100k Pro Ribcors before this until the boot broke from a shot, and prior to that I had Hyperlites. Trial and error. I suppose It could've been the Ultrasonics I tried, as well. 

The Mach has plenty of flex. I thought the Hyperlites did too, but I felt the hinge point of that flex on the two is slightly different. The Machs feel like you can load them up a bit more, owing to the hinge point being a little higher IMO. 

There is definitely a difference in the Bauer lines, just as there are with CCM and True. Bauer have not done the best job with their marketing material, so I would just suggest trying them out. Maybe buy used online and sell them when you're done. That's what I've largely being doing. I've done it with skates, gear, profiles, sticks. It's a pain but there's just no other way.

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Thanks for the prompt reply!

I only skated in the Ribcor six or seven times.  Before that, I hadn't been on skates in about 15 years.  My last skates were the CCM Tacks 252 which I purchased new sometime in the late 80s (basically a leather boot). I'm kind of at a loss with the new stuff from CCM and Bauer.

There aren't many stores selling skates, let alone much of a used market in Los Angeles. Add the pandemic to the equation, and stock is low everywhere.

 

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11 minutes ago, DSOP said:

Thanks for the prompt reply!

I only skated in the Ribcor six or seven times.  Before that, I hadn't been on skates in about 15 years.  My last skates were the CCM Tacks 252 which I purchased new sometime in the late 80s (basically a leather boot). I'm kind of at a loss with the new stuff from CCM and Bauer.

There aren't many stores selling skates, let alone much of a used market in Los Angeles. Add the pandemic to the equation, and stock is low everywhere.

 

Funny you should mention that. The last time I skated out on regular basis was quite some time ago, in roller hockey. I had very flexible Mission rollerblades, the boot being probably a lot closer to that skates you're used to than they are to modern day ones. 

I used to tie the top eyelet as tight as possible, then wrap the excess lace around my ankle, and even then the boot would bend forward plenty. For what I'm used to and my biomechanics, I think the Supreme is the closest match I've found to that. 

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Cool, good to know. I'll see if I can find those M5 Pro skates in my size to try on (the Mach is too pricey for me).

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1 hour ago, pgeorgan said:

Having skated side by side, I disagree. They def. have different shaped boots. The supremes are more upright which I feel prevents more power leak per stride. 

To your point, I think the Supremes accommodate something closer to a back squat, which is where you're going to get most of your power. There are subtle/not-so-subtle differences in each boot. Some might care for it, but sure, others might not. 

This is just my take, but you can't really know until you've tried both. Now I have. 

Exactly what I mean...someone else may jump into the those same skates and feel differently cuz they may have different skating mechanics. 

Anyway...I'm not trying to be argumentative at all.  I'd like folks to be aware that it's all about how the gear feels to you...only. I see a lot of folks (teammates and kids I coach) buy the wrong equipment (for them) because they go off of the marketing and anesthetics. That's all.  Now I'm wanting to try Machs🤣.

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I definitely think the new Supreme skates look better with the mostly black colorway. The other skate lines seem kind of ostentatious to me.

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10 hours ago, Jbear said:

Respectfully..."power and control" is...IMO...straight up marketing. I bet you can skate with power, control, agility, speed...etc.  in any skate if you're a strong skater... Same thing with twigs...if I have the right feel/balance and flex...kickpoint means nothing to me. 

Even the pattern doesn’t matter much if the balance is right. I was surprised by that. I definitely have preferences in patterns still, but by far the most important thing is the balance.

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18 hours ago, Jbear said:

Exactly what I mean...someone else may jump into the those same skates and feel differently cuz they may have different skating mechanics. 

Anyway...I'm not trying to be argumentative at all.  I'd like folks to be aware that it's all about how the gear feels to you...only. I see a lot of folks (teammates and kids I coach) buy the wrong equipment (for them) because they go off of the marketing and anesthetics. That's all.  Now I'm wanting to try Machs🤣.

Haha I totally understand. I was just saying that between the two boots, I think a person will definitely notice a difference in which works better with their biomechanics. 

Have you tried any prior Supreme-line skate? I hadn't until this.

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17 hours ago, DSOP said:

I definitely think the new Supreme skates look better with the mostly black colorway. The other skate lines seem kind of ostentatious to me.

I'm partial to the red custom pair, but obv. I wouldn't spend and extra $500 or whatever just for colors. 

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18 hours ago, DSOP said:

Thanks for the prompt reply!

I only skated in the Ribcor six or seven times.  Before that, I hadn't been on skates in about 15 years.  My last skates were the CCM Tacks 252 which I purchased new sometime in the late 80s (basically a leather boot). I'm kind of at a loss with the new stuff from CCM and Bauer.

There aren't many stores selling skates, let alone much of a used market in Los Angeles. Add the pandemic to the equation, and stock is low everywhere.

 

Sounds like you'd better served looking at something mid-tier rather than top of the line. I've seen quite a fewer Bauer's that feel much softer than their top of the line siblings.

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1 hour ago, pgeorgan said:

Haha I totally understand. I was just saying that between the two boots, I think a person will definitely notice a difference in which works better with their biomechanics. 

Have you tried any prior Supreme-line skate? I hadn't until this.

No...on my to-try list along with True TF9 (or whatever they supplant it with), and Graf's pro skate. Problem is only CCM and Bauer are available locally.  

A couple years ago when I was coming back to the sport, it was between the AS1 and 2SPro (those fit my foot best in each brand).  The Tacks felt soooo much better...like part of my feet.  The way I chose...blindfolded. Had my wife lace 'em up in the shop. Left them on for 15-20 minutes...stood...flexed (forward, backwards, and inside and outside edges), up on my toes...back on my heels.  Now they have an artificial surface that you can try them on, but...not sure that is too helpful if you can't bake first.

I've had many kids show me their new kicks and I ask why they chose that skate..."They look sick." "It's the fastest."  How do they feel compared to skate X?  "I didn't try anything else." or "Not as good but those were ugly."

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1 minute ago, Jbear said:

No...on my to-try list along with True TF9 (or whatever they supplant it with), and Graf's pro skate. Problem is only CCM and Bauer are available locally.  

A couple years ago when I was coming back to the sport, it was between the AS1 and 2SPro (those fit my foot best in each brand).  The Tacks felt soooo much better...like part of my feet.  The way I chose...blindfolded. Had my wife lace 'em up in the shop. Left them on for 15-20 minutes...stood...flexed (forward, backwards, and inside and outside edges), up on my toes...back on my heels.  Now they have an artificial surface that you can try them on, but...not sure that is too helpful if you can't bake first.

I've had many kids show me their new kicks and I ask why they chose that skate..."They look sick." "It's the fastest."  How do they feel compared to skate X?  "I didn't try anything else." or "Not as good but those were ugly."

Well, all but Bauer have trial periods, so you should have no excuse! Get on the internet and get some skates sent to you in the mail. That's what I did. Nobody even had the Ribcor in stock when I wanted it. The LHS had one pair of the Machs in my fit and size. 

Kids are at that age where they are adapting to whatever they're wearing anyway. However, I do know a number of late teens that consider themselves "gear guys".

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Yeah...I hear that🤣.  I cringe when I see some bender in super-stiff skates and they're essentially running on ice cuz they can't flex the boot.  I suppose that's the downside of having sooooo many choices. You really have to be willing to educate yourself in order to take advantage. 

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1 hour ago, stick9 said:

Sounds like you'd better served looking at something mid-tier rather than top of the line. I've seen quite a fewer Bauer's that feel much softer than their top of the line siblings.

That's exactly what I'm thinking. I think I'll be comparing the Supreme M4 and the Ribcor 90K.

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