The Truth about the Easton Stealth

[Modo9 0]

Oh, I could. It's more fun watching you twist in the wind.

The Modsquaders reading the posts of fellow Modsquaders and contributing constructive comments are the wind. Those who visit the thread and add nothing are the one's just twisting in it :P

[JR Boucicaut 3797]

Just answer me this: What year SyNergy did you use to measure?

[mack 44]

So why not just never buy anything Easton-made again and be done with it? I hated Easton's '03 line-up of sticks and how fragile they were, then I was done. Did I boycott them? No. Did I continue to smite their name in every thread? No. I stopped buying that year's sticks and kept to their shafts and blades. End of story.

Shit or get off the pot.

[Modo9 0]

'04 Synergy Grip vs. an '05 Grip Stealth

[ponty 0]

I still like the Spinal Tap reference of this thread the best.

The wind "ablowith ..."

[sabresfan11 0]

About the scale on the durability rating of Eastons sticks, no one is really sure if there even is a scale. What you have to do is compare the durability of a stealth to a synergy (both have a durability rating of 9) and you will see that there is a huge difference between the actual durability of the sticks, even though they have the same rating.

[Modo9 0]

So why not just never buy anything Easton-made again and be done with it? I hated Easton's '03 line-up of sticks and how fragile they were, then I was done. Did I boycott them? No. Did I continue to smite their name in every thread? No. I stopped buying that year's sticks and kept to their shafts and blades. End of story.

Shit or get off the pot.

Dude, you are so not seeing the forest through the trees. You can use a product, like that product and still critique it. Why does it have to be you either love it or hate it. I like Easton sticks, a lot. I like Easton skates. I don't like how they sell and present their product though.

When you're freinds with someone there can be things about them you don't like, they can have ways about them and habits you strongly dislike and don't agree with, but overall you like them.

There is a difference between constructive criticism and bashing for no reason. I am simply pointing out some flaws in one department of Easton.

[mack 44]

I see your point in that, but take it to them if you haven't already. Use their site and send off a mail or something like that. Before you lump us all into some anti-Easton machine as you have before, this just has all the warm fuzzy feelings of a Nazi book burning.

[leafsrule1 0]

all of the reviews from the review section sound alright B)

[Modo9 0]

I see your point in that, but take it to them if you haven't already. Use their site and send off a mail or something like that. Before you lump us all into some anti-Easton machine as you have before, this just has all the warm fuzzy feelings of a Nazi book burning.

How come back in the Corebeam days you weren't so worried of being lumped into an anti-Easton machine?

This isn't an anti-Easton thread, this is a thread that is daring to deeply and constructively critique the largest manuf of hockey equipment.

[Cheechoo 0]

Dude, you are so not seeing the forest through the trees.  You can use a product, like that product and still critique it.  Why does it have to be you either love it or hate it.  I like Easton sticks, a lot.  I like Easton skates.  I don't like how they sell and present their product though. 

When you're freinds with someone there can be things about them you don't like, they can have ways about them and habits you strongly dislike and don't agree with, but overall you like them. 

There is a difference between constructive criticism and bashing for no reason.  I am simply pointing out some flaws in one department of Easton.

Hey Modo, as you can see from my previous posts, I have a few issues with the logical reasoning you used to come to your "Stealth is a weak Synergy" conclusion, but I agree 100% with your defense of why and what you post. If MSH is not the place to gripe about hockey products and voice your own opinions, then what is? Keep it up! Your posts are thought provoking.

If people are looking for thoughtless comments about products, go check out the reviews on epuck. You'll find plenty of people raving about sticks with arguments like: "I just received my new stick in the mail 5 minutes ago. This is the best stick I've ever had. Go and buy one."

I'd rather read Modo's posts, even the ones I don't agree with.

[JR Boucicaut 3797]

'04 Synergy Grip vs. an '05 Grip Stealth

That's what I figured...did you measure the other models?

Have you weighed a composite tenon?

[2048 0]

I see your point in that, but take it to them if you haven't already.  Use their site and send off a mail or something like that.  Before you lump us all into some anti-Easton machine as you have before, this just has all the warm fuzzy feelings of a Nazi book burning.

How come back in the Corebeam days you weren't so worried of being lumped into an anti-Easton machine?

This isn't an anti-Easton thread, this is a thread that is daring to deeply and constructively critique the largest manuf of hockey equipment.

Ok, so a tape measure is your way of meaningfully and thoughtfully critiquing Easton? Greeat. I'm curious, did you take any science classes beyond 7th grade?

[mack 44]

Modo-

Take what I said in the proper context. That stuff was about Easton's '03 line, since '03 was when it was said. Had they not changed the product to a better standard then yes, I would bash it as much as the next guy. Thing is I learned to not use the products from that year and still prefer a shaft/blade combo, which I've not had major problems with.

[Modo9 0]

Dude, you are so not seeing the forest through the trees.  You can use a product, like that product and still critique it.  Why does it have to be you either love it or hate it.  I like Easton sticks, a lot.  I like Easton skates.  I don't like how they sell and present their product though. 

When you're freinds with someone there can be things about them you don't like, they can have ways about them and habits you strongly dislike and don't agree with, but overall you like them. 

There is a difference between constructive criticism and bashing for no reason.  I am simply pointing out some flaws in one department of Easton.

Hey Modo, as you can see from my previous posts, I have a few issues with the logical reasoning you used to come to your "Stealth is a weak Synergy" conclusion, but I agree 100% with your defense of why and what you post. If MSH is not the place to gripe about hockey products and voice your own opinions, then what is? Keep it up! Your posts are thought provoking.

If people are looking for thoughtless comments about products, go check out the reviews on epuck. You'll find plenty of people raving about sticks with arguments like: "I just received my new stick in the mail 5 minutes ago. This is the best stick I've ever had. Go and buy one."

I'd rather read Modo's posts, even the ones I don't agree with.

Thanks man. And regardless if my theory (the first post of this thread) is flawed or not (no theory is perfect), it's uncanny how the numbers correlate. Regardless, Easton really has no business charging more for a stick that is the same durability, if not less durable than the Synergy. They have no business claiming half the stuff they claim with no legitimate proof or studies to show the consumer public. They have some unethical practices specifically related to the Stealth hockey stick, such as showing the same handle size and shape in the catalogue as the Standard Synergy, which is not true. They should show a smaller handle that is slighlt more oval. TRUTH IN ADVERTISING

[Modo9 0]

I see your point in that, but take it to them if you haven't already.  Use their site and send off a mail or something like that.  Before you lump us all into some anti-Easton machine as you have before, this just has all the warm fuzzy feelings of a Nazi book burning.

How come back in the Corebeam days you weren't so worried of being lumped into an anti-Easton machine?

This isn't an anti-Easton thread, this is a thread that is daring to deeply and constructively critique the largest manuf of hockey equipment.

Ok, so a tape measure is your way of meaningfully and thoughtfully critiquing Easton? Greeat. I'm curious, did you take any science classes beyond 7th grade?

Trust me dude, you don't want to question my education and life experience. Leave it at that, please B)

The greatest discoveries of ManKind were discovered with the crudest, simplest tools.

[ponty 0]

I am not trying to pick a fight here. Minus the Bert thread back in the day thats not my style.

However ...

Why do I see a pissing match on alot of your threads modo?

You can have a thought provoking and insightful thread without these results.

I enjoy a debate more than anyone but lets all keep it up a notch.

[Ogie Oglethorpe 14]

Wow.... does anyone else feel like this is turning into a very Monty Python moment?

If... she weighs the same as a duck, then she's a witch...

And, what do with do with witches?

BURN THE WITCH!

People, I think it's time to take some stock and get a grip. Unless I missed something (which is possible, this is a very popular thread), Modo was just pointing out what he thinks might account for some of the weight loss in the Stealth (in comparison to the Synnergy). No one (outside of an Easton engineer) really knows what combination of variables went into making it lighter (although, I agree with whomever pointed it out earlier - Jack... whats-his-name seemed to have a pretty cool take on the flex question).

He then went on to make a small joke about the durability rating. It's all good. It's not like he's storming the Easton castle demanding retribution.....

I personally found his loose science somewhat interesting as I too noticed the shaft dimension being different. It didn't dissuade me one way or the other on the stick; just found it interesting and perhaps even thought provoking (although, I try at all times to avoid conscious thought - it interferes with my enjoyment of alcohol).

(it's a sad day when I'm the voice of reason :P)

[ponty 0]

Ogie ...

A voice of reason is very welcomed!

It is an interesting topic I just dont like the tone and direction its going.

Ill stop pointing fingers but It simply needs to stop.

[2048 0]

I see your point in that, but take it to them if you haven't already.  Use their site and send off a mail or something like that.  Before you lump us all into some anti-Easton machine as you have before, this just has all the warm fuzzy feelings of a Nazi book burning.

How come back in the Corebeam days you weren't so worried of being lumped into an anti-Easton machine?

This isn't an anti-Easton thread, this is a thread that is daring to deeply and constructively critique the largest manuf of hockey equipment.

Ok, so a tape measure is your way of meaningfully and thoughtfully critiquing Easton? Greeat. I'm curious, did you take any science classes beyond 7th grade?

Trust me dude, you don't want to question my education and life experience. Leave it at that, please B)

The greatest discoveries of ManKind were discovered with the crudest, simplest tools.

Your education and life experience? Ok, I questioned your education, not your life experience. All I'm saying is that you seem to be looking for the answer and finally came up wit ha way to prove it. It's called experimenter bias. You were looking for the reason and found a justification through some very crude calculations. It might work on kids, but I'm sure that if someone from easton saw you as enough of a threat (I'm sure they don't), that you'd get a formal refuting of what you're saying. Yes, the stick is thinner so it is lighter, but how do you know that the composition of the graphite isn't different, too? Also, did you take into account the fact that there's no tenon? That might take it under 380 grams, what happens to the extra with then?

Basically, you went in biased and found a way (I'll give you credit, it makes sense, less material=lighter), to come out more biased. Have you shot with the thing? The people I know who have used the stealth says that it absolutely juices their shots, I can't see those people saying the same thing about an intermediate synergy with a longass endplug.

[Chadd 916]

Have you shot with the thing? The people I know who have used the stealth says that it absolutely juices their shots, I can't see those people saying the same thing about an intermediate synergy with a longass endplug.

I believe that is a product of the longer taper and the fact far too many people use a stick that is too stiff for them. The longer taper makes the stick feel more flexy and may help "fix" their shots.

[#96 0]

Ok, this post is great. And nobody is namecalling or getting ridiculous. This is a good thing. But what I really want to know is....how the heck are so many people getting early release retail and pro model Easton stuff??? I know some of the Mods are in the business and can get their hands on it, but what about you Modo? Do you work in a hockey shop or something? I paraphrase the Great JR by saying "All releases are in the Spring!!!" , but how do so many seem to get their hands on early release stuff, and who's palm do I have to grease to get my hands on some?

[Ogie Oglethorpe 14]

Ogie ...

A voice of reason is very welcomed!

It is an interesting topic I just dont like the tone and direction its going.

Ill stop pointing fingers but It simply needs to stop.

Ponty - I agree about the tone... not quite sure where or why it seemed to have come to this (considering it's not a very contreversial (sp?) topic), but at least it's not just me that seems to have noticed it.

Guess it's no big deal though. I have been at far worse places on the internet....

I believe that is a product of the longer taper and the fact far too many people use a stick that is too stiff for them. The longer taper makes the stick feel more flexy and may help "fix" their shots.

I have noticed the flex. Compared it next to my other OPS. There is definetely a sensation that the Stealth is whippier than previous 100 flexes. Has anyone else detected that the upper part of the shaft flexes disproportionately to the lower? Might be by design (i.e., grip it about the middle and it flexes quite a bit, hold it near the bottom (like in a slap shot wind up) and it doesn't flex as much).

That could just be me though - just got the last of my Easton Xmas Stealth's today, and haven't had a chance to try it on the ice yet.

Also... someone asked before and I'm too lazy to find it on another thread, but the Stealth Grip weighs 400grams (to the regular 395). So that tacky coating they give it does, in fact, cause the stick to weigh more apparently.

[Eazy_b97 1]

Stealths are released. Behind the Mask bought the Easton booth and was selling their sticks from it, so thats where alot of members got the early Sl's and St's

[JR Boucicaut 3797]

Behind the Mask in AZ bought Easton's booth out again.