The Truth about the Easton Stealth

[Kobe 0]

Some guys got their pro stock stuff is from ebay or connections and the retail stuff is from warranty replacements for si-cores since they don't make those anymore.

[#96 0]

Yeah I saw some posts about the Easton Booth Sale. Oh well, guess I missed out on that one. Have to wait for general release.

To answer a question on a past post in this thread about why Modo's posts seem to end in "pissing contests", I can only suggest a mixture of a few reasons...

1) Modo knows his stuff and cares about it. He cares enough to spread what he learns to others, and lets them decide if they want to absorb it or not. That is respectable.

2) Modo is an agitator and likes to instigate discussions, not necessarily for malevolent reasons, but merely to spark fruitful dicussions and helpful posts.

Sidenote-I have a feeling that dinnertime discussions at the Modo house are ones of politics, sports, and general rabbel rousing! Haha. Being in a family of lawyers, I appreciate the adversarial nature of some of his posts...keep 'em coming, but all in good nature of course.

[Eazy_b97 1]

To be honest most of Modo's comments are well thought out and backed up, but it seems his views are very anti-easton and he rarely takes the view of others at the same value as his. These are observations and may not be 100% accurate. I have disputed a few of his posts. My main objection with this, and most of his others posts is the lack of vision. Whoever has held a Stealth knows its slimmer. I have never once seen a person take the companies word on durability over employees and friends. Eastons marketing does stretch the truth, but there "more control + more speed = more goals" is an awful lot like Modo's "less material = less weight". In theory, both are correct, but its so complex neither claim can be proved 100% true, at least not by me. If I shoot harder with better accuracy, you should score more, however if you never take a shot all season with it, this is untrue, and other factors come into play. Much like Modos's less material claim. In theory, less material = less weight, it's true, assuming they are the same in every aspect, it's a new blade, it's a Therma-tec technology, and it's a longer taper. Cut off 2" of the Stealth and 2" of a Synergy SL, put it under a microscope, tell me the weave, materials, 100% of both, make-up of both, weight of both, dimensions of both and your good to go. What Modo found out is something for further investigation. I don't believe he proved anything. I think he's shown Easton lies, most companies do,in order to make their product appear more desirable. In addition he PROVED that the Stealth is skinnier than an '04 Synergy. Which says very little to me.

It's a good start to further research, but these are far from "results".

I think it's good to have people on the board who push the envelope like Modo, i'm just not a fan of the my way or the highway vibe I get from his posts.

[leafsrule1 0]

well said Eazy_b97

Logically a skinner object breaks easier than a thicker one, but just because the stealth is skinner doesnt mean that you have to rip it apart and try and prove that it is the weakest stick on the market. For this reason I ran my poll asking people how long Stealths were lasting, yes less than one month had the most by a small margin, 5+ months in a close second. That being said, all of the less than one months wouldve been returned maybe because of defect etc. So there are two sides of this argument that can be easily argued with good points.

[Chadd 916]

well said Eazy_b97

Logically a skinner object breaks easier than a thicker one, but just because the stealth is skinner doesnt mean that you have to rip it apart and try and prove that it is the weakest stick on the market. For this reason I ran my poll asking people how long Stealths were lasting, yes less than one month had the most by a small margin, 5+ months in a close second. That being said, all of the less than one months wouldve been returned maybe because of defect etc. So there are two sides of this argument that can be easily argued with good points.

Actually one could argue that the shaft walls could be made thinner, reducing weight further, because they are shorter. Or, if they are the same thickness as before, that the shaft walls are much stronger. Again, basic science would support that.

[JR Boucicaut 3803]

Logically a skinner object breaks easier than a thicker one

Been using Mission Flyweight Metamorphics for almost 5 yrs now and I have not broken ONE of them...and that has got to be the skinniest stick ever.

[Ogie Oglethorpe 14]

To be honest most of Modo's comments are well thought out and backed up, but it seems his views are very anti-easton and he rarely takes the view of others at the same value as his. These are observations and may not be 100% accurate. I have disputed a few of his posts. My main objection with this, and most of his others posts is the lack of vision. Whoever has held a Stealth knows its slimmer. I have never once seen a person take the companies word on durability over employees and friends. Eastons marketing does stretch the truth, but there "more control + more speed = more goals" is an awful lot like Modo's "less material = less weight". In theory, both are correct, but its so complex neither claim can be proved 100% true, at least not by me. If I shoot harder with better accuracy, you should score more, however if you never take a shot all season with it, this is untrue, and other factors come into play. Much like Modos's less material claim. In theory, less material = less weight, it's true, assuming they are the same in every aspect, it's a new blade, it's a Therma-tec technology, and it's a longer taper. Cut off 2" of the Stealth and 2" of a Synergy SL, put it under a microscope, tell me the weave, materials, 100% of both, make-up of both, weight of both, dimensions of both and your good to go. What Modo found out is something for further investigation. I don't believe he proved anything. I think he's shown Easton lies, most companies do,in order to make their product appear more desirable. In addition he PROVED that the Stealth is skinnier than an '04 Synergy. Which says very little to me.

It's a good start to further research, but these are far from "results".

I think it's good to have people on the board who push the envelope like Modo, i'm just not a fan of the my way or the highway vibe I get from his posts.

Interesting take (very interesting, actually).

I also wonder about if thinner equates to being more fragile (breakage rates with tapered sticks do seem to indicate there could be something to this). Also, does lighter mean better? This is also subject to debate (but, that likely has more to do with materials and how they achieve the weight loss/gain).

Regardless, something to ponder....

[leafsrule1 0]

Been using Mission Flyweight Metamorphics for almost 5 yrs now and I have not broken ONE of them...and that has got to be the skinniest stick ever

lol is that stick green, dark green?

[JR Boucicaut 3803]

Yes.

[Chadd 916]

To be honest most of Modo's comments are well thought out and backed up, but it seems his views are very anti-easton and he rarely takes the view of others at the same value as his. These are observations and may not be 100% accurate. I have disputed a few of his posts. My main objection with this, and most of his others posts is the lack of vision. Whoever has held a Stealth knows its slimmer. I have never once seen a person take the companies word on durability over employees and friends. Eastons marketing does stretch the truth, but there "more control + more speed = more goals" is an awful lot like Modo's "less material = less weight". In theory, both are correct, but its so complex neither claim can be proved 100% true, at least not by me. If I shoot harder with better accuracy, you should score more, however if you never take a shot all season with it, this is untrue, and other factors come into play. Much like Modos's less material claim. In theory, less material = less weight, it's true, assuming they are the same in every aspect, it's a new blade, it's a Therma-tec technology, and it's a longer taper. Cut off 2" of the Stealth and 2" of a Synergy SL, put it under a microscope, tell me the weave, materials, 100% of both, make-up of both, weight of both, dimensions of both and your good to go. What Modo found out is something for further investigation. I don't believe he proved anything. I think he's shown Easton lies, most companies do,in order to make their product appear more desirable. In addition he PROVED that the Stealth is skinnier than an '04 Synergy. Which says very little to me.

It's a good start to further research, but these are far from "results".

I think it's good to have people on the board who push the envelope like Modo, i'm just not a fan of the my way or the highway vibe I get from his posts.

Interesting take (very interesting, actually).

I also wonder about if thinner equates to being more fragile (breakage rates with tapered sticks do seem to indicate there could be something to this). Also, does lighter mean better? This is also subject to debate (but, that likely has more to do with materials and how they achieve the weight loss/gain).

Regardless, something to ponder....

Engineering a stick to flex in a certain area will always put more stress in that area, ergo more breakage in said area.

[Ogie Oglethorpe 14]

Good point.

[leafsrule1 0]

Yes.

i know that stick my teammate had one..absolute beast lol

[JR Boucicaut 3803]

I have 6.

[leafsrule1 0]

so, thats one stick thats crazy skinny thats a tank

1 - everyone

0 - modo 9

lol jks

[Modo9 0]

Wow.... does anyone else feel like this is turning into a very Monty Python moment?

If... she weighs the same as a duck, then she's a witch...

And, what do with do with witches?

BURN THE WITCH!

People, I think it's time to take some stock and get a grip. Unless I missed something (which is possible, this is a very popular thread), Modo was just pointing out what he thinks might account for some of the weight loss in the Stealth (in comparison to the Synnergy). No one (outside of an Easton engineer) really knows what combination of variables went into making it lighter (although, I agree with whomever pointed it out earlier - Jack... whats-his-name seemed to have a pretty cool take on the flex question).

He then went on to make a small joke about the durability rating. It's all good. It's not like he's storming the Easton castle demanding retribution.....

I personally found his loose science somewhat interesting as I too noticed the shaft dimension being different. It didn't dissuade me one way or the other on the stick; just found it interesting and perhaps even thought provoking (although, I try at all times to avoid conscious thought - it interferes with my enjoyment of alcohol).

(it's a sad day when I'm the voice of reason :P)

Thanks. Exaclty how you stated everything is how I intended it and see it. I am not trying to pick a fight with anyone, or storm any corporate castles. I just like to ask the Hard Questions. And with Hard Questions you never get Easy Answers.

[Modo9 0]

I see your point in that, but take it to them if you haven't already.  Use their site and send off a mail or something like that.  Before you lump us all into some anti-Easton machine as you have before, this just has all the warm fuzzy feelings of a Nazi book burning.

How come back in the Corebeam days you weren't so worried of being lumped into an anti-Easton machine?

This isn't an anti-Easton thread, this is a thread that is daring to deeply and constructively critique the largest manuf of hockey equipment.

Ok, so a tape measure is your way of meaningfully and thoughtfully critiquing Easton? Greeat. I'm curious, did you take any science classes beyond 7th grade?

Trust me dude, you don't want to question my education and life experience. Leave it at that, please B)

The greatest discoveries of ManKind were discovered with the crudest, simplest tools.

Your education and life experience? Ok, I questioned your education, not your life experience. All I'm saying is that you seem to be looking for the answer and finally came up wit ha way to prove it. It's called experimenter bias. You were looking for the reason and found a justification through some very crude calculations. It might work on kids, but I'm sure that if someone from easton saw you as enough of a threat (I'm sure they don't), that you'd get a formal refuting of what you're saying. Yes, the stick is thinner so it is lighter, but how do you know that the composition of the graphite isn't different, too? Also, did you take into account the fact that there's no tenon? That might take it under 380 grams, what happens to the extra with then?

Basically, you went in biased and found a way (I'll give you credit, it makes sense, less material=lighter), to come out more biased. Have you shot with the thing? The people I know who have used the stealth says that it absolutely juices their shots, I can't see those people saying the same thing about an intermediate synergy with a longass endplug.

I am sure if Easton changed the materials entirely they would have put some wicked marketing spin on it. I think it's pretty obvious they just shaved the stick down and used a different process to fuse a blade with no tendon to a shaft.

I never said my Theory was Fact, I simply said it was a Theory and here are the numbers. Some Modsquaders embraced the Theory and agree with me that it has a lot of Merit; Some are on the Fence and don't know what to think; And, of course, some think I am just plain wrong and trying to start arguments. Anytime anyone questions Anything and goes public with a Theory and constructively critiques something, people are going to have negative and positive reactions. I didn't create this Pandora's Box, I just stumbled across it, saw a big E on it and decided to see what was inside.

[Modo9 0]

Ok, this post is great. And nobody is namecalling or getting ridiculous. This is a good thing. But what I really want to know is....how the heck are so many people getting early release retail and pro model Easton stuff??? I know some of the Mods are in the business and can get their hands on it, but what about you Modo? Do you work in a hockey shop or something? I paraphrase the Great JR by saying "All releases are in the Spring!!!" , but how do so many seem to get their hands on early release stuff, and who's palm do I have to grease to get my hands on some?

Behind the Mask has stock on Stealth Grips and SL's. The regular retail Stealth hit stores in September of '04. And there is always EBAY!

[hip check 0]

Some Modsquaders embraced the Theory and agree with me that it has a lot of Merit; Some are on the Fence and don't know what to think; And, of course, some think I am just plain wrong and trying to start arguments. Anytime anyone questions Anything and goes public with a Theory and constructively critiques something, people are going to have negative and positive reactions. I didn't create this Pandora's Box, I just stumbled across it, saw a big E on it and decided to see what was inside.

Good response. The next box you come across may very well have a big swoosh on it, or Rbk, or...

This process is how all kinds of ideas get flushed out and developed. It's all in good discussion whether you think it's one-sided or not. Look in a science journal and you will find the same arguements for or against certain things.

I personally don't care if the shaft is smaller, less dense, filled with helium, whatever... I probably won't get the stick anyhow. It is interesting to see what has been noted by others about the stick, though.

I wonder if others are going to develop skinnier shafts to get the 'all important' ( <_< ) weight down as well.

[Neo5370 132]

I wonder if others are going to develop skinnier shafts to get the 'all important' (  <_<  ) weight down as well.

Yeah, that's the sad part.............weight being all important.

It's like buying a sound system based purely on wattage.

I'm willing to bet a lot of kids out there (aside from faithful MSH'ers of course) have no idea about choosing the right flex, lie, curve, loft, etc............the MOST signficant factors in a sticks performance for someone.

I feel like we need to have huge public service announcements on TV or in USA Hockey to educate the general hockey public.

Same applies to skates.

[JR Boucicaut 3803]

I wonder if others are going to develop skinnier shafts to get the 'all important' (  <_<  ) weight down as well.

You need to measure every SyNergy model made...then you might find your truth. Maybe it didn't get skinnier...maybe it just got fat...

[Modo9 0]

I wonder if others are going to develop skinnier shafts to get the 'all important' (  <_<   ) weight down as well.

You need to measure every SyNergy model made...then you might find your truth. Maybe it didn't get skinnier...maybe it just got fat...

I've owned every year Synergy and can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt none of them were as skinny as the Stealth. No question.

[JR Boucicaut 3803]

Do it anyway...

[Dan_The_Man_16 0]

Do it, meaure the sticks, do it, do it. :P

[Modo9 0]

Do it anyway...

Hmmm. . . Not certain I am that motivated. And I am tired as heck after a long day of work. And when I am not at work I am chasing around a one-year-old. I've opened "the Box" whoever wants to jump in and explore it fully, by all means go ahead. But my Geraldo expose starts and ends with this thread . . .

[Ogie Oglethorpe 14]

Some Modsquaders embraced the Theory and agree with me that it has a lot of Merit; Some are on the Fence and don't know what to think; And, of course, some think I am just plain wrong and trying to start arguments. Anytime anyone questions Anything and goes public with a Theory and constructively critiques something, people are going to have negative and positive reactions. I didn't create this Pandora's Box, I just stumbled across it, saw a big E on it and decided to see what was inside.

Good response. The next box you come across may very well have a big swoosh on it, or Rbk, or...

This process is how all kinds of ideas get flushed out and developed. It's all in good discussion whether you think it's one-sided or not. Look in a science journal and you will find the same arguements for or against certain things.

I personally don't care if the shaft is smaller, less dense, filled with helium, whatever... I probably won't get the stick anyhow. It is interesting to see what has been noted by others about the stick, though.

I wonder if others are going to develop skinnier shafts to get the 'all important' ( <_< ) weight down as well.

Filled with Helium? Where do I get one of these magic helium sticks?

Man.... I'd be the envy of the team!

(yes, I'm kidding)