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Did they do the wrap technique on them when you baked them? If not, go back and have them rebake them and do the wrap. I just got mine last week and after the bake, I have a hard time even getting my skates on. Once they're on though, it's like a glove. They're so wrapped that right now I can't even do the top eyelet because I can't get the laces back in once I get my skate on. I'm going to get longer laces and see if I can keep them laced all the way up but still get my foot in. Also, I thought my heel was moving at first too, but after getting them tightened up, I think I'm feeling more of the forward flex than actual heel movement. I will say this, I'm very impressed with how they feel on the ice. I'm coming from Bauer X90's and it's night and day different in terms of efficiency. When I push, it really feels like all of my energy is going right to the ice. So far I'm really impressed with them and I hope that the new laces will help, but if not I'm comfortable enough to wear them without the top eyelet.

Is your 5/8's Fire new? If not, how many cycles have you run on it. I might be interested.

I believe it will stop after the last cycle runs once it turns red. Your sharpening should still be good, but I probably wouldn't do any more after that, if it will even let you.

Ok, so the real issue here is that you aren't even charging them to sharpen their skates. I'm sorry, but this wouldn't even be an issue if you were charging them, say even 5 euro's (I don't know what the going rate is per sharpening over there, but here it's $10 at most places) you should be able to have new rings on hand that you're not having to come out of pocket for. I charge my customers $6.00 or they can buy a package of 10 for $50. This basically helps me recoup the cost of the ring after 10 sharpenings and the rest of the money usually goes to other stuff hockey related. I could probably charge $10 and most of the guys would be fine with that because of the consistency I'm putting out there for them, but many of the people I do it for are friends or play in my league or their kids. I'm not trying to run a full fledged business, but I do want to be compensated for my time and resources and wear on my machine. There's a reason why not everyone has one of these, they're still expensive.

Are you not charging people to sharpen their skates??? If that's the case, you're getting used and abused.

I sharpen a lot peoples skates on my Sparx, from 12U kids down to 6U and a bunch of guys that play in my beer league. I think my first ring, I got about 30 pairs of skates sharpened and that was with 2 pairs that I had to do 10 cycles on and 8 cycles, respectively. If someone is bringing me a brand new pair of skates, I politely ask them to have the first sharpening done at the LHS or at a minimum have them cross grind them and then I'll sharpen them after that. Mos of the people who I tell this to are ok with that response because they understand that I can't get a cross grind ring, but they know from others that I'm putting out a good product for them. I constantly get great feedback on the edges they have after I sharpen them. I agree with most here that you know how many passes you're going to get out of the ring and it's your job as the sharpener to figure out how many passes you need to do. Also, if someone brings me steel that has a ton of larger nicks/gouges, I charge them extra as I have to do extra passes on them to get them back to normal. Even with my extra charge, it's still about the same as going to the LHS but they're getting a more consistent cut every time.

He has used the XC9 for the last couple of years. I believe he just switched to the AX9 which does not have the insert in it. I was told directly from a True rep that they do not do paint jobs for any of their players. If they're using a stick it's the same tech as the retail. They can however, change the blade stiffness, corners, flex and curve type to their preferences. Also, I have Marner's XC9 pro stocks and they all have the insert. I had 4 of them, down to 2 unfortunately.

Correct, the numbers under the name is the player code and batch. The easiest way to figure out the year is by the graphics. True does not do paint jobs. Their pro's are using the actual model of that stick but can still change things on it.

They do a little bit, but they're not designed to do it the way that True's do.

It's also why you see a lot of people trying to find used True's in a similar size because the whole skate can wrap, you can almost get a perfect fit even if it wasn't made for you. As stated above though, you still need to be in the correct length and similar heel shape for it to be close.

The main point I would argue with your buddy is that in Bauer/CCM skates, only the quarter package is heat moldable whereas with True's the entire skate is (minus the front part of the toe cap) is moldable. The difference is substantial and you notice it right away even when baking them. In Bauer/CCM you're not supposed to have the top of the skate wrap over the tongue. In True's you want that wrap. So you're essentially paying more for a custom Bauer/CCM skate and getting less because the skate can't fully mold to your foot the way the True can.

I'm a home user and when I bought the machine they were selling X-Grind rings. I didn't get it with my initial purchase, but when I went back to buy one a couple months later, I couldn't. Even though I wouldn't use it that often, I shouldn't be punished for the stupidity of others. Maybe I'm just more detailed, but I don't go more that 4 or 5 sharpenings without vacuuming out the tray, top of the air filter and the machine in general. So now because some dummies didn't clean there stuff properly I'm not allow to use something that was originally available. Is it a "necessity"? No. However, it was one of the selling points of why I purchased one in the first place. I didn't want to have to go to my LHS to have them cross grind new steel when I buy it. That's why I bought my own sharpener. 🤦‍♂️

I'll report back when I get mine in but I didn't have to fill anything out. My fitter did all the paperwork and then went over it with me at the end and even let me take a picture of the form. Also, the LHS should be the ones doing the calling/emailing for you during the process since it's technically their order. You can definitely get numbers/letters on the low profile tongue as I was debating on doing it, but decided to for-go it. How long did they say it would take to get the new skates?

I just went today to get fitted for new True's. I ended up going with the extra shot protection and the low-profile tongue. I saw all the tongues and I felt that one was the least intrusive and the guys said that it forms really nicely when you bake it. Going in I was kinda set on the T-guard, but he said it's kinda overkill and even though it's the "low-profile" tongue, it has some thickness to it. I tuck my tongues so there's not really that much that shows under my shinpad. I thought the scan was really cool too. Looking at them after, I was impressed with how well it captures. I'm also having the steel profiled with a 9/10 combo. I really interested to see the difference between these and my current skates which are Bauer X90's with Step Blacksteel. Now the waiting game begins. 4 Weeks until the beauties arrive!

@pgeorgan My apologies. I was looking at a post near yours and misquoted it thinking it was yours. In fact it wasn't. That's my fault. Sorry about the mix up.

With the potential to sounds a little arrogant here, you said yourself that you're a C level beer league player. You don't have the skating skill set and fundamentals (most likely) for it to affect you because, well, you're a great skater. What I find hilariously funny (not funny like a clown), is that you've been a member here for just shy of 2 months and you're arguing with someone that is a PROFESSIONAL EQM at the highest levels. Do you think that he sits at home at night during the 6 hours of downtime he has to make this shit up and for you to say he's evidence is anecdotal? It seems like you're here just to troll and create arguments well after facts have been shown regarding the questions at hand. It's really a shame too, because this thread was interesting until you continued to insinuate that apparently nobody else on here knows what the hell we're talking about. You should really research who you're talking to and understand what level of intelligence, skill and years of expertise they have before coming in here and spouting nonsense. So, I guess I'm done with this thread now! @JR Boucicaut can we close this topic it's jumped the shark about a dozen times now.

Lightspeed and before were from the "old" Bauer. Not just that, but as stated above, the Edge holder is not efficient and the top level players are going to change to anything that will give them a step up. This is why you're seeing guys moving to different steel, holders, skates, etc. CCM and True now have products that rival the edge in terms of functionality as well as being better in overall quality. This could obviously change as those are still relatively new, but unless Bauer changes the edge holder, it's going to be able to keep up with these new holders. People want choices. They don't want to be railroaded into equipment just because. I'm not sure why Bauer wouldn't have wanted to work WITH Step, especially at the top end of their skate lines. I feel like this was a huge misstep (over the course of many missteps by Bauer) to achieve greater customer return purchases while offering some of the best steel in the market. Bauer is also doing the same thing with the Easton tech they acquired. If you're following anything dealing with the new Flylite taper, they're already having issues with breakage on these sticks and many of the pro's that are "using" them are actually using something else with the flylite graphics, usually ADV vapors. We as consumers need to voice our concerns so they start actually providing decent products again.

About Me Male - 6'0'' - 180lbs Mainly Forward/Very Rarely Defense B/C level hockey Usage time: 2-4 games a week, January through March and Sept through Dec 2019 (end of previous season and into current season) Price: $120 Glove History (most recent pair prior to this listed last): Eagle XP X70's 15in, QRL Pro 15in STX RX3 14in - I did not get to try any STX gloves on prior to this purchase. I was only able to look at them online and try to judge what I thought would be a good fit based on my preferences. Fit (9.5/10) These are a true tapered fit and they fit close to the hand all the way back to the wrists where they open up. I really like the close fit on the fingers, but I find it a little tighter than I would prefer on the back part of my hand. It's not uncomfortable and it's definitely not a deal breaker but it's something that I noticed when comparing to my QRL Pro's. For comparison, the QRL's were great when I fit got them and now that they're 2 years old, they almost feel sloppy compared to the RX3's. I attribute this tight fit on the backhand to the lining. The lining is very soft, but it does feel plush. If I pull the lining back the feel of the glove opens up a bit, but I don't have that nice soft liner anymore and it's just the glove material. If they could make this liner just a hair smaller, it would be perfect. Lastly, I went with 14's because I watched Matt Hills review of these gloves stating that he thought they felt a touch bigger because of the M2 knuckle and the way the glove was able to bend. I believe this was a vital piece of information for me and he was spot on. If I would have bought 15's I think they would have been too loose for what I was looking for. That said, STX has a 14 day return policy, no questions asked, so I could have returned them for the 14's if that were the case. Comfort (9.5/10) The only thing I wish I could change is that they run a touch warm. Overall I really like them and everyone once in a while when I think I should go back to my QRL's, I put those on and immediately remember why I keep wearing these. Even after basically a full season of playing, the liner is still there doing it's job and it hasn't broken down hardly at all. The padding still feels the same as when I bought them and I think that's one of the amazing parts of this glove. The fit and comfort are pretty much the same as when they were new. If the padding was a little thinner on the backhand as I mentioned above, they would get a 10. The palm is nice as well. Not ultra thin, but thin enough that I can feel everything and be durable (I'll get to that below). They also have mesh gussets, which if you read my review of the QRL Pro's was one thing that I thought they needed to change. This is a welcomed change for me and I definitely like them more than traditional cloth. Weight (10/10) Weight is on par with other top level gloves. They don't feel heavy on my hands, although I think that is also because of how close they sit to the back of the hand. Mobility (10/10) Excellent mobility. The bottom part of the cuff is a little shorter than some of the other gloves out there and it's actually segmented from the rest of the cuff so it allow you flex your hand down which gives you full range of motion. Break-in (10/10) These gloves were already super comfortable out of the box and I thought the liners would break down like the QRL's, but to my amazement they still feel great. They haven't lost any comfort and the liner has stayed consistent throughout the entire time I've been playing with them. There's really nothing more to be said about this. They were great at the beginning and they're still great. Protection (9/10) I play beer league, but it's still competitive and sticks are always an issue. I haven't taken anything to the back or side of the hand that has caused me to think about needing more protection. Some people said they had concerns with the M2 Knuckle being a "weak" spot in the design, but i haven't had any issues so far. I'm giving this a 9 because I don't think it's been truly tested during play. Durability (9/10) So the overall durability of this glove is fantastic. What I mean by that is that the really important stuff like cuff, palm, gussets, etc is durable. The reason for the 9 is that I've noticed on two of the fingers on my right glove that I'm starting to get some tails from the stitching on my right hand. I think it has to do with my wiping the snow off of my stick blade at the end of a shift or before a face-off, etc. They are in no way affecting how the glove performs, but my OCD picked up on it about a month or so ago and I keep forgetting to fix it before it becomes a problem. Other than that, everything else has been extremely durable. Palm (10/10) Great palm. Wasn't sure how I was going to like it having never owned anything STX, but it's soft and durable and has been wearing very well. A huge plus was the spandex gussets. So glad these had them. What a world of difference it makes for me in terms of feel. Conclusion (97/100) Pro's of this glove: Great price point for top of the line glove, fit and mobility are great and the lack of break in time and consistent fit over time of the glove are all huge bonuses. Con's of the glove: I wish the back hand padding/liner was just a touch thinner as to give a little more breath-ability and space to the glove. Neither of these were/are deal breakers for me though, but YMMV.

What all of you that are agreeing with Bauer are missing is that they IN FACT stole the patent out from under the company that developed it. This is not new news people. The point here is to show how Bauer continues to try and push consumers into their products by force and not by creating quality equipment. I think what you're going to see now is that many NHL teams are going to start getting rid of the Edge holder and going to either the XS or Shift. Now that there are actual competitors out there AND their products are better, EQM's don't have to rely on a shitty product just because it's the only one available and they're being bullied into it. You're already starting to see the shift in skates. Yes, it's a slow shift, but CCM and True are gaining ground and that snowball is going to become an avalanche soon. I used to love Bauer's stuff but over the last 7-8 years I've started to get fed up with their antics. The last piece of Bauer equipment I have is my skates and after this season, they'll be assigned to coaching duty only. Onward and upward for me.

If you do, DM me. I'd be willing to pay for a sample if you can get some. I have 2 True TC2, RH's 😄

I think we both agree that Bauer should be trying to do better, I just don't think they are. My biggest complaint is that if you think your products are that good, you should let them speak for themselves, just as CCM, Graf, etc do. None of those companies, especially CCM, are going after companies making steel for their holders. One main reason is, it's really not worth it and as a company, I'd rather have people buying my skates and putting different steel in it than not buying it at all because they can't get the steel they want. This seems super counter-intuitive to getting consumers into your product.

This is EXACTLY what Bauer did with the holder in the first place. So now you have a hypocritical company trying to profit off of someone else's product whose they stole in the first place. Don't for one second think that Bauer developed the edge holder completely "in-house". Long has it been that Bauer has come out with something that has revolutionized hockey. All of their new stuff is meh at best, including their ADV Supreme. Their skates are decent (I currently wear Vapors), but CCM and True are gaining market share very quickly and I think you're going to see a major shift in what people are buying. Warrior, CCM and True are all putting out high quality gear now rivaling Bauer and usually at better prices (skates not included). However, with True being the front of the custom skate market, CCM now has a much more involved custom program and Bauer's is still not great. Their scanner is not always accurate and you still have to pay extra for "full" custom. As longer as Bauer directs their extra profits back into R&D, it's probably a win-win for everyone. If you think Bauer is redirecting all their extra profits back solely into R&D you're fooling yourself. Their company has been poorly run since they were bought back from Nike.

So it's only available for NHL players. That sucks. I would love to give this a go. Could be way better than tape.

What is your website? Are you guys selling both the regular and DLC?

I dislike Bauer because unlike other holder companies, they don't allow aftermarket people to provide steel that they won't. I understand the patent law. However, Bauer's steel is complete garbage and they know it's garbage and they continue to do nothing about it. I would have liked to see them maybe step up and bridge a deal with Step rather than shutting them down for the holder. If their holder is that good, then why not let people pick what steel they want rather than trying to force the consumer into a shitty product? Here's the other rub... it was and still is perfectly fine for Step to make products for the Lightspeed 2 holders. There was never an issue until the edge. What exactly is the difference other than Bauer has people running their company now that couldn't care less about the consumer.