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2 hours ago, Vet88 said:Does his 70k skates have 10 or 11 eyelets? Retail version have 10 so if he is skipping the 10th eyelet it means he either has custom facings or it's something like the 50k facing on a 70k frame?
In that pic in caveman’s post his 70ks have 11.
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Another point is that your skating biomechanics encompass your whole body. The alignment of everything from your head to your shoulders, hips and knees plays a huge part in how force is transmitted through the foot into the skate and then the blade to the ice. So the foot is kind of the last part of this chain. With a stiff skate, given perfect biomechanics up to that point allows efficient and controlled energy transfer to the ice, but it doesn’t fix flaws.
The thing the no lace skating gives you in addition to the strengthening already discussed is feedback, magnified responses to adjustments you make as you do drills. Move your knee a little bit, change how you rotate your shoulders, etc.
Here is a related article that references how Miro Heiskanen ties his skates.
Again, once you have all those components, a stiffer boot can ensure nothing is being lost because of the boot, but it is not the cure.
Here is an Athletic article talking mainly about forward flex but also about potential energy leak from lateral sloppiness, although there aren’t any real citations for the work they did, maybe I will Google and see if those are publicly available.
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45 minutes ago, Leif said:It is possible the construction of top end boots has become more sophisticated since Laura Stamm made her comments.
Certainly could be, I just thought it interesting that she brought it up almost 20 years ago.
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Some interesting points, Laura Stamm has an article on her website way back in 2001 cautioning against the general skater getting in too stiff a boot.
As for the pros using stiff skates, getting back to the car analogy- Once you are a great driver you can squeeze every bit of performance out of a 900 HP F1 car but if you or I got in it would be a hinderance to learn the skills of racing and driving. Better skaters like pros have good edge control and can leverage the modern boot.
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55 minutes ago, stick9 said:That's great, you'll have the best form in the senior home. 😉
Before barking at the OP about this that and the other, how about asking him what he's looking to get out of it. Not everyone is training to play the Soviets.
Again, it's the practicality of that route for a player his age. It's entirely possible to skip all that and just have fun.
Great skater or not, we all end up in the same place, local beer leagues. Ask yourself, is all that really worth it.
Yeah, you are right, each has their own goals. But the OP did inquire about the ideal stiffness of skates which I would assume implies that the ideal stiffness would lead to better skating. So the response led to something along the lines of the dominant variable not being the skate but the path to quickest improvement would be concentrating on technique.
Like you said, to each his own. I love breaking things down in anything I do and really getting into the details. Others may not.
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9 hours ago, stick9 said:Look, biomechanics, off ice training, no laces...all that stuff is great. It's definitely something I would steer my young son or daughter to. However, those learning the game at an older age don't have time for that. Frankly, it's all a bit extreme for an older player who just want to lace em up and go for a rip.
For a player in the OP's position, a proper fitting skate that won't hinder his stride should be priority #1.
And while I don't wish to go into here. To say that skate fit and all that is irrelevant is pretty short sighted. Correct your form on crap skates is like racing slicks on a Pirus...
I would say this about the analogy, nobody said crap skates, but the relative minutiae between one good enough pair of skates and another good enough pair of skates isn’t going to matter much to a beginner.
i think the better analogy may be, given a basic vehicle that is good enough, the better driver is going to win the race.
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1 hour ago, Leif said:Vet88: How long per session do you skate without laces, and how many sessions before you get benefit? I can imagine my skates wobbling about, I can’t see how you place the foot down on an edge when the skate is wobbly. Is this useful for all skaters?
From my perspective from someone who does this periodically, you are going to learn something that first lap out. You will get feedback on how you are placing you weight on each skate (good chance it isn’t perfectly equal). You will start to understand better how the different muscles of the foot contribute to controlling the skate and applying pressure within. If you have a specific issue, like turning one way or the other or a certain edge, it will make it worse but you will get magnified feedback on where things are going wrong.
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1 hour ago, caveman27 said:Well, that's an odd approach. What skating or hockey school are you associated with?
What is odd about addressing things fundamentally first?
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Out of curiosity, why not just use more copper rivets as a matter of course? I am sure there is a price difference relative to non-copper rivets but it is a drop in the bucket when compared to high end skate cost.
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8 hours ago, hockeydad3 said:OK.
But for me it's important to go the quick and dirty way to skating. I'm 52 and want to have some fun playing basic hockey. I will never become a decent skater as my boys are. I didn't do any sports for more than 30 years and had never been on skates. So my biomechanics are not existant.
No, you have biomechanics, can’t be avoided. They are either contributing to or detracting from your skating. We all have dominant sides, habits that we have developed over the years. My right foot pronates AND i am left leg dominant. Even off the ice if I am standing I tend to default to weight on my left foot.
I skate unlaced at public skate now. If you pay attention to whats going on when you do this you will make quick improvements. I am 45 and have been skating since I was about 10 and was able to ID several issues right off the bat. You get feedback that a tight, stiff skate laced up will hide. I have seen improvement after only doing this only a handful of times, can’t imagine what I could do if I did it once or twice a week.
I am still in an old Bauer Supreme 7000 which by this point is probably a fraction of the stiffness of these new skates and don’t feel it is holding me back, although I will be forced into new skates soon since they are literally starting to fall apart.
Just because everyone doesn't teach a certain thing doesn’t it is or isnt valid. Laces undone has been done for a very long time.
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1 hour ago, SkateWorksPNW said:3 assists. I played defense. Forwards need to clog up the neutral zone to prevent long stretch passes and east-west traffic. It would also be great if they would come back and help out on defense. I watched the LiveBarn video and I was stuck on at least 17 odd-man rushes by myself! Brutal!
This scenario, it seems....familiar.... 🙂
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Best wishes and hope everything works out for the best. Great that you were able to move down there and be close.
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5 minutes ago, IPv6Freely said:I wouldn’t expect everyone to be able to. But I can.
Rationalization is a beautiful thing.
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Learn the players’ personalities (you probably have a leg up there). Know which players respond to overt criticism and which ones need to be coached in a private side conversation.
As mentioned, be valuable to the coach. Do all the little things on and off the ice that lets him focus on his core coaching responsibilities.
i was in a somewhat similar situation when I was assistant for a college club team. Expectations weren’t explicit so I just defined it myself. I started running dryland and all S&C activities including designing the program and creating a web site for it. I put up bars in the office to hang the jerseys, took them home and washed them after every game (my wife lovvved that...), put together a first aid kit with spare helmet parts, designed and ordered helmet stickers and game pucks, delivered the line up to the scorer before the game, etc.
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No need to stay with a line, mix and match. Don’t leave out STX, I think they provide great value and have multiple price points.
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1 hour ago, CigarScott said:According to a video Bauer did with Ice Warehouse, 50% of people fit in Supreme, 35% in Vapor, and 15% in Nexus which is interesting when looking at your sales numbers. Seems a lot of people should be wearing different lines than they currently do.
I would say their percentages on sales are more accurate than the number of people that fit in a given line. The two not lining up exactly isn’t surprising.
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Yeah, the muscles atrophy. I remember getting a full leg cast off as a kid and my knee maybe had 15-20 degrees ROM. The wrist has a lot going on inside. Keep at it and hope to see you back on the ice ASAP!
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There is plenty of pick-up around, stick time is generally reserved for 18 and under though. I don’t know of any place that rents gear.
There is a Pure Hockey in north Pittsburgh and a Ko Sports in the south. Pure is probably like any other Pure, Ko is bigger. It is a Source for Sports franchise somit will have SMU stuff but dont think pro stock. There is also a Peranis but I havent been there for years.
if you know where you are staying that would help.
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5 minutes ago, strosedefence34 said:It's not a placebo. Here is a post from Chadd who told me to do it in the first place. Even if it doesn't work for everyone it is a free fix someone can try first before investing in all sorts of gel pads and everything else.
The post does nothing to explain how this would help. The lace in inside out lacing and the lace in outside in lacing both cross the tongue with half the lace crossing from the top (or outside) of the facing and the other end exiting from the bottom (or inside) of the facing. Changing how you lace it is just reversing the order it enters and exits, not the amount of pressure on the tongue.
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5 hours ago, Davideo said:You are correct that there is no different in volume. However, my theory is that it changes slightly where the laces dig into the foot, temporarily lessening the pain. Either that or it's completely placebo.
Gotta be placebo because it will be alternating “high-low” and “low-high” as it crisscrosses so really no difference.
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Sorry to hear that, at least you got a positive diagnosis though.
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Considering all the lawsuits, I ask myself the same thing. Surprised insurance doesn't mandate it. My son was skating with a kid he met at public skate a couple years ago and that kid went down and smacked his temple.
My son has been in full gear all along at public skate. One, it helped him develop because when he fell he just got back up and wasn't afraid to try things. Two, it protects him from other people flying around. Kid on his team last year was clobbered by an older kid flying around not looking where he was going. He had gear on but still was shaken up pretty badly. The other day was the first time without full gear for my son, but he has to wear helmet, elbow pads, and gloves and will for quite a while.
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46 minutes ago, KelpFries said:No haven't done those. Sounds interesting, you have any info on them?
For the feet, literally go buy a lacrosse ball (they also make sets of various sizes just for this, but the lacrosse ball is cheaper). For everything else, you can purchase a foam roller. You roll your muscle over the ball or roller until you feel it encounter a tight spot or knot, then you stop and keep the pressure there. It can be painful but it is effective on its own or as part of your warm-up before working out or skating. I do it before I leave the house for the rink or at the gym. Pretty straightforward. The only mistake really is people who just roll back and forth. You need to stop and work on the tight spots when you get to them.
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12 minutes ago, strosedefence34 said:It just spreads the pressure out more evenly. Also it gives you slightly more space (we are talking mm) between the tongue and laces since it sits on top of the boot/ eyelet. I feel like it's hard to explain but it defiantly worked for me.
The lace enters the boot outside in, exits the eyelet on the inside, crosses the tongue, and enters the other side on the outside. The lace is still crossing the tongue travelling from an outside to an inside eyelet, it is the same pattern just instead of inside-outside it is outside-inside. The only difference is how you perceive you are lacing it, the order you traverse the pattern. If you wanted to change the pressure, you would have to lace so that the lace never exited the inside before crossing.
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STX Surgeon line is worth a look as well.