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pgeorgan
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The toe box is too tall. The width is fine. I prefer the flatness of the current Vapor toe box. This is one thing I missed when I was doing the CCM trial. There is bit of stitching where the toe box meets the boot, but it only rubs my pinky toe if I over tighten. Do custom Trues have a bespoke toe box? That would be pretty amazing, though I'm doubtful.
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I'm using Machs now... they're a great skate. Only complaint is I don't need as much room in the toe box and they have a little more depth than I'd prefer, making them someone tricky to tighten right. I'm actually a barefoot skater and they work out nicely. I wonder how the velcro tongue will be on the TF9's. Some reviewers said it was digging into their toes, and I'm going to go out on a limb and say they skate in socks.
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Let's hope. However, I am leaning towards they'll end up too roomy in the mid foot to toe box region. I'm not really one to use power wedges or whatever insert in the toe, so we'll see. I counted 1 or 2 people on here that went to these from a Vapor 1x and their status is unclear to me on whether the skates are a keeper or not. The forum is hard to parse through in its entirety. Yes, the Machs are nice, but I'm greedy and think I could do better.
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I'm sure a lot of people are going to attack me for this, but when I read about Trues, I can't help but think of the Steve Jobs "you're holding it wrong" meme. That being said, I am putting my money where my mouth is and did order a pair.
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Likely because (based on what I'm reading about the Trues from this thread) those particular Vapors start off with significantly less negative space right out the box. If I put almost any tension on the laces when I had a pair, the sides of my feet would be crushed by end of the game. If you hit the sweet spot though, the skates were money. I think Johnny Gaudreau has gone back to his 1X's. My dream skate is the 1x 2.0 with the updated Vapor toe cap.
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Rubbish. Not sure why this is necessarily a bad thing. If Bauer have a winning retail formula, is that a negative checkmark against them? Their skates fit me fantastic. Contrary to what you claim, it is night and day after the 175x3min bake. Could they be better? Sure. There's always room for improvement, whether that's with Bauer, CCM or True. Which brings me to my next point. I tried Jetspeeds and Ribcors and I have to say, if they are more thermoformable, it was undetectable on my end. IMHO, I think it's a myth that might have something to do with their baking instructions being a healthy 45 degrees higher coming in at 220x2min per their package insert. And now that I'm thinking about it, maybe that had something to do with why my Ribcor cracked from a shot during the 90-day trial. Who knows. Reading up on True, it looks like 195 degree for 10 minutes. That's like cooking a chicken. At any rate, I'll be getting mine in a few days and will def. report back. Still unsure on the sizing, whether its half or full. Also not going to be thrilled about the smaller holder. Can't fault them though, nobody is perfect.
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I made a claim based on my own personal foot scan, one which you are not privy to, and you tell me I'm "wrong". And just so we're all on the same page here, that claim was that no amount of baking is going to fix a boot if it is too roomy in the first place. Did you expect it to go differently? Since you clearly didn't read any of my posts, here it is in plain English: I am happiest in a Bauer Vapor 1x 2.0. If you tell me right now that a retail TF9 - after baking - will be just as good, if not better, in terms of eliminating negative space, I will order the skate - TODAY. I will even get a half-size smaller, per your suggestion. If this is not the case, then please stop droning on about "moldability". UPDATE: Happy New Year to me. I just ordered them. Is this the greatest skate ever made? Or is it all hype.
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We get it. True Super Fan.
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I don't think anyone contesting that you can "fold in half" the True skates. It's a tradeoff of stiffness for flexibility. I don't require that much "moldability". I'm looking for the skate that has the best out-of-the-box fit to my foot, because I believe, in my experience, it has the best chance of having the best fit *after* baking.
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Probably not a good candidate for me, then. I appreciate the input, though.
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Yes, "generic" based on thousands of foot scans. My foot just so happens to be a great off-the-shelf generic foot. I don't have gargoyle feet. I don't need to "fold [my] skate in half". Not everyone puts "ability to fold skate in half" as their #1 most desirable trait in a hockey skate.
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Well I've skated in virtually every pair of Bauer skates made the last several years, as well as the most recent Ribcor's and Jetspeeds. So ya, what do I know. I'm not particularly interested in folding my skate in half. The ideal skate for me will fit almost right out of the box, with minimal adjustments via baking. Like I said, if it needs that sort of correction after the fact, it's not a good fit to begin with. What facts? Try to be less offended. I get that you're a True super fan. People will respond better if they think you don't have some kind of agenda.
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I found CCM and Bauer to be equally moldable. I'm not really following your comment regarding scans. You must be talking about going the custom route. If the ankle is too roomy, it's going to stay that way. Wrapping it around my ankle will not make up for the extra positive space in the lateral direction, unless I clamp them during the baking process (which I see as a failure of the skate to fit in the first place).
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Question: Where do the two True variants sit on the negative-space scale relative to Fit 1 Bauer and Tapered CCM skates? How do they compare to the original Vapor 1X Pro 2.0's? My biggest problem, frankly, is skates have been relatively too roomy out the box since everyone moved to these fit systems. Before that, Bauer vapors in a D-width fit me perfectly. It does not seem Bauer can narrow their skates if you go custom. It seems that perhaps CCM can. Some say True, as well.
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Does True release a stiffness index or anything? How does it compare to the Catalyst, to CCM, Bauer?
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I'm sure the skates will wrap. Any skate will wrap. But I'm just not seeing any thickness in the ankle donuts. Are there not any ankle donuts?
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I've read a number of claims about the TF's, as I've given some thought to taking them up on their 30-day trial period. However, most can be explained away as the direct result of simply having proper fitting skates. Eg, more bite, undoing two eyelets to get skate off, etc... At this stage, since it appears the sizing is actually all over the place, I'd have to order several pairs online just to get into the correct fit. It also looks like only HockeyMonkey has anything left in my size. Additionally, from the pictures, I can tell that the ankle is going to be too roomy, so probably custom would be the best bet for me. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see a lot of foam inserts around the ankle bone.
