oldtrainerguy28
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1 hour ago, SkateWorksPNW said:I like to remove the tongue, leave the top 3 or 4 eyelets undone, lace them 70% tight, and then use saran wrap from the forefoot to the top of the ankle.
With the new thin tongue that wouldn't be the best way as the tongue molds as well.
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36 minutes ago, flip12 said:I didn't use shrink wrap anywhere. I let the top three eyelets flare outward to allow for ankle rotation when I skate. It almost got me the same amount of room as in my 703's but not quite.
Next time I bake them I'll wrap all the way along the foot up to the top three eyelets and leave them open again.
Sorry that should have said the ankle area not the top. You only need to do like 2 go arounds at the top. Then lean forward into the tongue
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On 11/15/2020 at 6:58 AM, flip12 said:If you have a lot of ankle aversion in your stride you might want to bake them snug over the foot and loose in the ankle. When I baked my MLX the last time, I didn’t lace the top three eyelets.
That's actually the preference with them now. Not do top 3 and use shrink wrap at the top
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22 minutes ago, puckstopper said:Why? I'm genuinely curious, as I'm planning to get some form of profile done on my forward skates for the first time. I know what i like on my goalie skates, but am torn between a triple, quad and now an ellipse for my forward skates.
Talk to Lee Harris in Columbus. I did his skates way back and he has had his copied from the trainer there. Or just ask him what he thinks. Probably one of the best skating coaches I have met. I have met a lot.....LOL. That being said there are so many good ones and new ones coming around all the time really making an effort to help kids get better.
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This whole things makes me just shake my head.
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I believe that they have a good chance of beating it.
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6 hours ago, 218hockey said:What does this mean???
Pretty much what I said. Having worked with Pro Sharp machines since the late 90s I understand how things are supposed to be done. And locally they are not done correctly.
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12 hours ago, kkskate said:Today at 1 PM
A discussion with Joey and John from the ProSharp Canada offices about the Zuperior, Quad and brand new Ellipse profiles.
So am I wrong in hearing that the Ellipse is smother than a Quad?
Just what I took from this at the end of the discussion.
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11 hours ago, kkskate said:I'd think if you're not a fan of the Quads you would not be excited about this release. As a skater that loves the quads and knows many others who do also I am at least intrigued by what they have to offer. It's been quite a while since they've been refreshed.
I am very intrigued. My issue is that the Quads done in my area are not done properly. I know factually that a profile with great than 2 (IE: 9-11 works to say a 8-13 does not) Meaning the scientific study that was done showed that a variable larger than 2 was in efficient and caused issues with the transition. So I have been asking for ages that a scientific study be done to prove the advantage to the Quad as in my opinion the .5 (The .5 was my recommendation to Pro Sharp and made for the OHL team I was working with at the time) is the only one that does what it says it will from the science as they are using here on the Ellipse. So if I had a further breakdown on the Ellipse it might sway me to get a machine and bars.
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34 minutes ago, kkskate said:They’re essentially stated the Ellipse Zero is equivalent to the Quad 0, Ellipse 1 is Quad 1, etc. and should be used as a starting point. Agreed, the reasoning is a bit vague though it seems like most of the information they’ve released suggests that the ellipse shapes create a more seamless blending between the sections. Myself and some other will be testing them out this week.
Yes I have seen akl the videos etc.
Still basically zero information on how to sell them. Comparison and equivalent profiles. We all know alot of stores dont do Quads properly.
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2 hours ago, kkskate said:I don't believe there is a reverse pitch on the new profiles. It's just the wording they use. When they say "The ELLIPSE profiles are pitched 20 mm backwards" I am fairly certain they are saying the pivot point is moved 20 mm to the rear of the blade which creates a forward pitch. The Zuperiors and the Quads have the same 20 mm adjustment on them by default. Prosharp has confirmed that the pitch on the Ellipse is the same as the previous Quads (All Ellipse templates are built in with a pitch (-20 mm), good to know when re-profiling an already pitched blade). Below is a quick video of the new templates. Sorry about the advertising though thought it was relevant to the thread. Happy to delete if inappropriate.
Still no information on what there equivalent to and why they should be sold.
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On 10/25/2020 at 3:22 PM, SkateWorksPNW said:So I emailed to a shop that has the profiles and they said "There is currently only rumors to what the new profiles are. The overall guess is that the new profiles might be quint (5) where the radius are replaced with ellipse shapes. I am continuing to dig for more information with them. At the moment this is all anyone has."
Kind of sounds like what I thought.
Actually watching the video seems like a singular radius with a flatter center section.
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10 minutes ago, Beflar said:You did a good job my friend.
Do you think the others are more gimmicky?
No there not gimmicky. But there isn't the independent data to prove that they work better than what is out there.
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2 minutes ago, Beflar said:You know your stuff and I'm not a pro, not even close. All I can say is that switching to the QUAD 0.5 makes playing hockey easier for me and therefore I'm having more fun. I can stay on the ice longer as I don't have to do much to maintain speed. My crossovers are solid and more powerful. I feel solid on my feet. It feels way more natural then balancing on the single profile I had before(11'). I'm just excited about this profile. I don't remember feeling this way switch from a 13' to a 11' to a 9' etc.
The first time I skated on the QUAD 0.5 I liked it so much that I was literally mad that I wasted my time skating on a single profile for so long. So maybe it is best not to listen to me cause I'm a total fan boy at this point.
Not sure if you read the previous posts. I was the one that came up with the numbers for 0.5.
I know it works. BUT... I dont believe the others work as that one does.
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17 hours ago, Beflar said:Did pros use wood sticks? They did. Do they use them now? No. You get my point.
Wow ok. You got me. You also talked to the Pro Sharp guys to find out I was right about the 0.5 Quad.
Get me point?
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34 minutes ago, Beflar said:Stupid question but I have to ask: Did you drop the sharpen when going to the Quad because that could be the problem?
Went to the Quad 0.5 and they are a huge improvement over the single profile 11' i had. I had to drop the sharpen from 5/8 to 3/4 thou.
The Quad profiles are not overrated IMHO but I only use the QUAD 0.5 which most people never talk about... I only ever hear about Quad 0,1,2.
IMO your on the best one that is closest to what is used my most pros.
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55 minutes ago, BenBreeg said:Nothing is a panacea, but the Q0 solved some issues for me coming from some random profile some guy with a Blademaster put on my skates. I know there is one study which resulted in 9/10 being the ideal profile (I dont want to misrepresent it, would have to search but one of the members is affiliated I believe) but I don’t think the body of evidence supports broad conclusions.
It could be that being on the wrong profile by a long shot could hamper your skating but once you get in the vicinity then good enough is good enough.
Until you have studies with enough power accounting for all relevant variables then I am not sure it will get to the point of confident conclusions.
One thing I found interesting is that when talking to a guy around here who I was steered to by the best skating instructor in Pgh, who is the go to skate guy for figure skaters, he still just had a 9’ bar, did “forward pitch” as an option, and rounded toe and heel by hand. Could be he just hasn’t adopted the newer approaches or that the work they do placing the blade on a figure skating boot is seen as the dominant variable. Just a point of information.
it is not feasible for everyone to work through all the different profiles, and qualitative self-reporting doesn’t tell the whole story. Some things may correlate, some may not. Feeling faster may not be faster, feeling more agile may not necessarily show up in the end results, that is why many more structured studies need done IMO.
To date the studies done at Brock University on profile, Blade Pitch and Profiled vs not profiled are the most conclusive studies done by the same Professor. There are no independent studies done on Pro sharp profiles. Love to see some.
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1 hour ago, SkateWorksPNW said:You should always try and have the holder mounted as far back as possible. This is a pretty good explanation why:
The only thing is there is so much that has changed in the hockey skate. cut of boot and so on. Not a bad base to start with and using something similar but I wouldn't be going by that as my #1 reference but a good read.
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On 10/4/2020 at 10:58 PM, Sniper9 said:Oh well. Just change the holders. If I were to get stock Trues I'd swap em out for xs holders anyways. Even with customs id just have them predrilled for xs holders and the shift holder unmounted
They don't send customs unmounted anymore.
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Another profiling nightmare. So much forward pitch the player could not even skate. Lucky he had offered to help coach and wasn't at a team practice. He has NHL camp coming up.
I'm not saying Pro Sharp is bad saying there are quit a few that do not know what there doing and going by what there told as which profile is the best.
You need to know the players skati g strengths this was not a good fit.
FYI Bauer steel was brand new LS3 only profiled once and sharpened 2 times. Front of the blade measures 12.5 32nds out the holder.
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On 10/5/2020 at 5:07 PM, SkateWorksPNW said:Would I shim both the front and rear of the inside holders on each skate?
Would it be better to just add foam to his insoles instead of shimming the holder?
Before you shim try a blade alignment.
IMO always do an alignment first similar to figure skates before shimming. And always go thinner on the shims first. It's amazing how a small shim can make a huge difference.
I have been using the Red Dog Hockey boost method of trying it inside the skate first before mounting it outside with a perfect success rate so far.
Started mainly with my son and he skated with Elvis Stojko yesterday and Elvis said a 10000% improvement. Once we figured what he needed and mounted out side and realigned the blades.
Just my thoughts
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9 minutes ago, SkateWorksPNW said:Ive never heard of them shipped sharpened. Maybe the seller sharpened them or something.
Ya I have about 300 pairs in stock not a single one sharpened lol
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5 hours ago, Jbear said:I grabbed a pair of new Blacksteels off Ebay and they arrived sharpened. The dealer didn't sharpen them...Step says on their packaging that they have an edge, but don't say what ROH or profile. I emailed them but nothing so far and I have a game tonight. I might just get them done by my shop anyway, but...seems a waste if they're already 5/8"-10'.
Anyone know? Thanks peeps.
They are not sharp from the factory. Flat as can be. SOMEONE sharpened them.
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4 minutes ago, Sniper9 said:How the hell do they know at the assembly line what size is what then???
Are u able to confirm whether my theory of s08-7 means 7.5 and therefore the true size 7 would be s07-7 or similar.. or address the number codes identical
No I didnt bother looking any further
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Hummm. Never had that issue? How tight are you going with the wrap?