oldtrainerguy28
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On 2/4/2020 at 1:29 PM, JimmyTheDriver said:Here is where I get stuck - there is no negative space. When tied up, they are truly the most form fitting skates I've ever worn, including Makos. If that little lace facia break down (if thats what it is) didnt occur, they are the best skates I've ever owned.
Everything else chews up the top of my foot, or rubs my "accessory navicular" above my arch.
Damn it.
Take the insole out and where is your toe?
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1 hour ago, SkateWorksPNW said:Tydan uses Sandvik co.'s 12C27 steel which I believe is the same as STEP. IMO, they are both the same quality of steel and where they specifically differ in the shape of their steel and the fact that Tydan offers a few more options than STEP such as coating, polished steel, and also shorter steel for those that dont want super tall steel.
Actually Step will do the samenif requested. (Shorter steel)
Step is extremely consistant in quality and production.
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1 hour ago, start_today said:Is anyone else a little cynical that this allows CCM to just stamp “Step” on what is now their mediocre stock steel, or change the production process of Step, so it is more “cost effective.”
I know it’s a case of wait and see, and none of us on this board are in a position to predict what the end result of this will be. But, anecdotally, throughout my life, when I like independent company X, and they are acquired by large corporation A, something in the quality/price/output/ “je ne sais quoi” of X tends to suffer. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
They would sure lose a lot of credibility if they did so.
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2 hours ago, Monty22 said:Why would a company want to undermine their own steel sales ?
Because they haven't had a good steel product since the orginal Tuuk holder.
And the majority of the pros use Step anyway. Why not get something out of it.
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10 hours ago, lfc26 said:thanks a lot for your help SkateWorksPNW! It's good to know that you only need 1-2 passes on average.
Your infos are really interesting because the Sparx support told me PS100 rings aren't compatible with the ES100 machine.
Anyways, most importantly for me is to make sure that the PS100 standard rings are compatible with the ES100 unit. Are you really sure about that?
I'm just curious because the Sparx team have already answered my email and told me otherwise..... given the similarities in both units I kinda trust your answer more:-)
Regarding the XG rings hopefully they didn't update their firmware:-). I'm really only doing this because prices for the rings are really overpriced over here. At least, I was able to import the unit for 200 dollars less than what the actual reseller is asking.
If anyone with a new Sparx ES100 unit has any further experience with the XG rings I'm glad to hear about it:-)
Nevertheless, the performance of the machine is incredible and far superior than any sharpening from a local shop. Most of them only know how to sharpen ski edges anyway:-)
My advice to Sparx would be to skip the resellers in Europe. As it stands, they are diminishing the potential of the Sparx product over here in Europe and only a few crazy people including myself are willing to pay 1500$ + 80$ per ring for the sharpener...
Who is the reseller there??? Curious
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5 hours ago, SkateWorksPNW said:LOL. Yeah, I like the cage off my face a little but not THAT much.
Totally defeats the purpose..
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12 hours ago, Beflar said:Ya the numbering system is strange for the 0.5.
Quad 0: 6-9-11-13
Quad 1: 6-9-12-15
Quad 2: 7-10-13-16
Quad 0.5: 8-10-12-14
So given my stats 9.5 size, 280 blade, 220 pounds Quad 1 is suggested, not sure what 0.5 is suggested for... Skate on a 11' (use to be 13' back in the day) trying to work my way down in number but not to the point of falling(9' is to small for me) so the 0.5 looked perfect to me.
Great post. Thank you.
In the studies mentioned above not that it was noted in the study, there was a discussion that any profile change greater than 2...IE 7-13 or in Quad anything over 8-10-12-14 a .5 would be hard to feel as the gap would leave a flat spot. All profiles closer than 2 or less thee would be less likely a feeling of separation from one profile to the rest. It was also concluded that the 2 best being the 9.10 and the 9.5 10.5 would be similar to what is now the Quad .5. Hence, it would make perfect sense as to why a lot of people like it as it feels similar and actually is closest to the best performing in the study. Kind of a jacked combo between the 2 from the study. I wonder who it was that came up with that .5 idea? Maybe Mr. ProSharp could tell us??
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26 minutes ago, SkateWorksPNW said:I'll throw my hat in the ring here as someone who does a ton of profiles and also tests them. Owning a full-service hockey shop gives me the ability to have access to try all different combinations of skates, steel, and profiles. Yes, I am lucky, but this also comes with negatives as well considering I change configurations so often I sometimes physically hurt myself s and it most certainly does take its toll on my skating as well by changing equipment so often. Such is life.....
BTW, when I say I hurt myself testing, I am dead serious. I hurt my back not too long ago, slipped a disc. I was testing an unreleased pair of skates with a very aggressive Quad 0 profile that was applied, it still had the full pitch in it and my back just couldn't handle the strain exerted with being so far forward. My back and core were constantly engaged fighting against the extremely stiff skate and the pitch of the profile and something had to give... Something did. My back.
Anyway.
Quad 0.5 is a great overall profile and as mentioned, what I typically like to start players on if they are coming from steel that has not been profiled previously. It's also very good for new adult players, as the pitch is something they are not yet accustomed to and can throw off their skating. For the young kids, I prefer to put them on a single longer profile until they develop advanced edge control. This allows them to focus on skating and not worrying about balance as much.
Quad 2 would be my second go-to. The Quad 0/1 removes a very large amount of steel and also add quite a bit of pitch. Once you blend the toe properly many people feel too far forward and they get short choppy strides due to balance issues and such.
There are so many factors I think we can all agree that its truly impossible to say what is the best method and what to use for each player without seeing. Not to mention that some skates have a built-in forward pitch, like TRUE, and many other skates are very neutral. For example, skating on a Quad 0 using the "Pro Sharp recommendation) on my TRUE skates makes me feel unbalanced. When I do Quad 0/1 I tend to remove most of the pitch from the profile to preserve steel and also lessen the forward pitch. I can always add more pitch later but I cannot add steel back once it's been removed.
Excellent points!!!
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4 minutes ago, pgeorgan said:I can't find the actual study from this link.
https://brocku.ca/search/?s=sharpening#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=sharpening&gsc.page=1
Try searching in the research section.........
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On 12/27/2019 at 10:14 PM, dkmiller3356 said:Thanks for your support of JR and this site (INSERT SARCASTIC LOOK). I Just don't understand people sometimes.
Seriously, there is no one in the business who is better than JR
That's a pretty wide sweeping brush...and I love JR but....there are some great pro shop and sharpening guys on here....LOL (sarcastic smile)
It's a joke....🤣
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39 minutes ago, JR Boucicaut said:Right, and I know that. But for the testing, we have been sticking to the recommendations as much as we can.
We are giving you the option to skate on several profiles and rating them. What works for one of the reviewers isn't going to work with you - they are reviewing their experiences.
Just because someone says it feels good does not mean in actual fact they are skating better or more efficient.
Hence, what we found in the pitch Study done.
Ironically, similar happened in the profile study that showed the best performance was achieved at duals and they were 9-10 and 9.5 10.5 all other profiles were slower and less agile.
They were 7-13 and 11 foot all with I believe a slight forward pitch if I recall correctly.
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41 minutes ago, flip12 said:Can you link to these studies?
https://brocku.ca/brock-news/2011/12/researcher-works-with-nhl-veterans-to-improve-the-hockey-skate/
Not sure on the website where it is. Mike Mcgurk did the pitch study and the profile one I am not sure whos thesis it was. I did the sharpening for the Pitch Thesis
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11 hours ago, psulion22 said:Depending on your skate (well, steel) size and weight, plus skating style and position, you could probably start with a Quad 1 or even Quad 2 before going all the way to Quad .5. There is a LTR on people using different ProSharp profiles on here. You might want to check that out first.
Going t have to disagree with you on this one. Seeing as I takes the least amount of steel off and is closest to the profile study done on most effective profile I would highly recommend the .5 ws a starter.
0 and 1 when done properly take away sooooo much steel and pitch it beyond what it should be based on another study done on blade pitch
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8 hours ago, Sniper9 said:It's normal for edge holders to have movement, but it's not normal 🙃. I've never had any movement in my ls2 holders or my SB 4.0. My experience with Edge was a nightmare I'll never go through again.
Hummm interesting.... I'm not the only one??
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1 hour ago, psulion22 said:Similarly, how much play is normal for any holder? Forget a vice or clamp, if I push with my fingers the steel in my Edge moves slightly. There is definitely a little play. Is that normal? Are the issues we're talking about more severe than that? Obviously they can be, but is any flex in the steel enough to create a loss of acceleration, edge control, and efficiency? Unfortunately I don't have any skates with an older holder lying around to test against.
I'm asking because I have noticed a marked decrese in my acceleration and efficiency. A large part is my skates, I believe. They're MX3's that I got new and have seen a lot of use. The foam and liner inside is pretty worn and flat, and rubbed through in some spots. So, my foot is slipping a little bit. I can also feel flexion in the joint between the toe cap and quarter meaning that joint, the rivets, and/or the outsole is compromised. SO I'm wondering if the play in the steel is also included in this. Overall, the skates are feeling sloppy and not as precise as they once did.
If they're that old they were done 18 months ago. No they are done holder wise. Even if the boot was in good shape.
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9 minutes ago, smcgreg said:I don't know the study to which you refer, but this confirms my intuition. If true, it should be posted on the banner... But of course, that would negate a lot of special profiling arguments wouldn't it? 😉
Well it was a thesis paper and its needs to be quantified so I'm pretty sure that's the case. The research was marked above.
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2 hours ago, stick9 said:Level shaming, really?? Almost as bad a membership/post count shaming...luckily I got that one covered.
You don't need to be playing D1 or in the show to know when something's wrong. Just because someone never played to certian level doesn't mean they aren't an experienced player. In short, settle down Francis.
Onto Flare. The major hurdle I see, they are trying to crack a market lousy with brand loyality and skepticism. New tech and concepts aren't always welcomed with open arms. Could be great. They may not get a chance based on those factors.
Actually been working with players using them for a whole now. So far very much positive. But I agree with a market full of "I'm the best blade" and now the parent issue. Unless your in LS2 or XS long term its an unknown.
As for the level .. I was kinda asking what other tool could be used?.
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19 hours ago, oldtrainerguy28 said:And back on Topic ..I believe @Flare Skate Blade is on to something and they are willing toisten to suggestions unlike some above. And even critical feedback. Including admitting there first product 4 or more years ago was not great steel. The steel is good ow the finish amazing and soon as I decide what I'm doing holder wise I am going to look into them much more thoroughly.
I believe they have a solid product. I just refuse to spend any more money on blades for a holder I dont have faith in to last more than 3 months with level of players I deal with that are not on pro teams yet and are not getting the blades for free.
Keep up the good work Flare
I had already done that!!
What to do if you dont have a @Flare Skate Blade edge checker,??
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1 hour ago, psulion22 said:Thanks, guys. It was happening on three different sets of steel, both sides, two in two different holders, one not in a holder. So while I completely agree Holders can be bent or not aligned properly, that didn't seem to be the case here. It was more likely a combination of the way the Flare Square works and is designed and inconsistent sidewalls on all the steel
That will definitely cause an issue.
Its actually pretty simple no matter what machine you use.
Eliminate the easiest problems first.
So in the end itvwas only the Flare steel that was off??
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1 hour ago, psulion22 said:Three different kinds, with three different characteristics, in three different holders. One is Flare regular steel that is in my player skates. One is Massive Blade DLC in my goalie skates. And one is a set of Tydan regulars that I sharpened in the Sparx blade holder. All three showed the same results.
Does this happen in the skste? And always in the same right or left skste??
If it happens in the same skate every time holder is bent.
If your doing blade only out of skate. The machine is the issue.
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4 hours ago, pgeorgan said:I’ve searched through your posts and am seeing a pattern:
*Buys a Sparx*
“You’re an idiot”.
*Buys Bauer*
“Bauer is crap”.
Don’t buy Bauer. It’s a free country. Idc. But there are a lot of happy customers on here with both.
You’re a seasoned EQM. Great. Straw man. Never challenged that. No need for the massive chip on your shoulder. But guess what, we had this little thing called the Scientific Revolution. People want to see for themselves.
The fact that you’re upset I don’t share in your animus is your problem. Not mine.
When I make a case, I say things like, "Here are the breakdowns on NHL equipment preference." Sticks. Gloves. Pants. Helmets. And yes, skates.
Try it some time.
End rant.
Wow sure didnt troll far enough.
Bauer boots are not bad at all except for mounting and blade alignment
NHL private study completed showed in shot blocking they were mid pack barely.
Sparx is no where near the quality of a ProSharp or the newest in scientific and automation as an @Elite Blade Performance
sharpening and profiling system.
nice try though.
Try asking why instead of saying blanket bullshit.
And I did ho back on topic but some people think they have to have the last word.
you did troll me and picked out tiny snippets of thing you wanted to argue about Plaun and simple.
My only chip is ignorant younger people like yourself that think some of us older people are ignorant to change. When in fact we embrace and love new things to make the job easier and better.
But I'm not afraid to call a spade a spade.
your right it's done.
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15 minutes ago, pgeorgan said:I trust computers over you.
What else can I say?
Not much, pretty much says it all.
Personally. @JR Boucicaut not sure who this person is but I did go back and I have rarely been on as of late yet most of your posts troll me.
So not sure what your agenda is but beat of luck with it.
Funny how when you get called out you trust computers?? what does that have to anything about Flare or Edge holders being weak.
My expiernece plus any machine besides a Sparx hell I could probably make that better as well.but never would.
Off to do something useful besides waiste more time with your BS.
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And back on Topic ..I believe @Flare Skate Blade is on to something and they are willing toisten to suggestions unlike some above. And even critical feedback. Including admitting there first product 4 or more years ago was not great steel. The steel is good ow the finish amazing and soon as I decide what I'm doing holder wise I am going to look into them much more thoroughly.
I believe they have a solid product. I just refuse to spend any more money on blades for a holder I dont have faith in to last more than 3 months with level of players I deal with that are not on pro teams yet and are not getting the blades for free.
Keep up the good work Flare
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4 hours ago, pgeorgan said:I never said I was a C level beer league player. I actually played college at a BIG 10 school, and I can play both goalie and forward.
I suggest you re-read my posts. You will find them to be well-reasoned and thought out.
On more than one occasion, I've submitted that I will be more cognizant of the alleged problem, but that I've not personally encountered it.
It honestly feels like the issue is some people getting frustrated they can't convince otherwise happy consumers to share in the animus towards Bauer.
I didn't bring up Bauer. Other people did - yourself included.
And the goal was to gain knowledge, not troll. Not only do I have an upright sharpener, but I have multiple pairs of Bauer skates.
So (reading my prior posts), hopefully it makes sense where I'm coming from.
Lastly, this isn't the first time I've asked for specific examples from some of the posters and been met with, "I'm an expert, trust me".
Ok then. what top 10 school because over the last 2o years I have worked with players both male and female who are top players in the NCAA.
Tell me the school and I give you a person on that team that knows me and knows I'm not full of shit
All my players inhave had major issues with are all players at CIS NCAA and OHL AHL and NHL. plus local AAA players heading to those places
players that are on the skates 6 to 7 days a week and are hard on them.
If you want list I could give you exact teams but due to privacy of the top players the players names wont be released.
My education may not be as high as yours in school so my vocabulary won't be to your standards. But when was the last time you were flown to play hockey in Amsterdam, Australia, Canada, USA and now China.
All these places I have been brought to Train sharpening not just do it.
Did your hockey career end in NCAA?
I'm still learning. what I have learned is the Bauer Edge Holder is not anything what it could be. 30 plus years in the business plus a World Championship 2 National Championship and numerous Provincial Championships.
2 years ago top team in North America.
So yes Trust me I am an expert!!!
Also one of the longest members on this site as I helped sort out fitting online 2 years before this site was made with @JR Boucicaut help to someone I recall was Mako? maybe.
Anyway spin this the way you want. Bauer stole the idea and didnt make it better. Period.
Thank you to @darkhors for the comments even though I don't know you.
Tydan Blacksteel compared to Step Blacksteel
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Holder is misaligned. Only reason that would happen.