Eagle Gloves w/ Stay Fresh Plams

[sogaduch 0]

actually jimmy is right. RBK is using the pitard palm in there gloves.

[Chadd 916]

actually jimmy is right. RBK is using the pitard palm in there gloves.

Only on the 8k

[sogaduch 0]

actually jimmy is right. RBK is using the pitard palm in there gloves.

Only on the 8k

your right, i shouda specified.

[Cavs019 710]

the pitard palm is completely different from the stay-fresh package. If you notice, many eagle gloves have a silver material throughout the interior that NO OTHER GLOVE ON THE MARKET HAS. This material does not get wet, does not stink, and feels like a baby's ass.

[A_Steeves12 0]

the pitard palm is completely different from the stay-fresh package. If you notice, many eagle gloves have a silver material throughout the interior that NO OTHER GLOVE ON THE MARKET HAS. This material does not get wet, does not stink, and feels like a baby's ass.

that sliver stuff's call Glacer Cool i think correct me if i am wrong. and it does get wet but it doesnt stink and its the softest stuff ever

[Guest Marcelo Cordoba]

actually jimmy is right. RBK is using the pitard palm in there gloves.

Pittards makes several different palms. Is RBK using a Pittards MicroSpike palm? I highly doubt it.

[Lemieux 66]

Functional anti-microbial treatment isn't just hype.

So, explain exactly how bacteria is killed and how long the treatment lasts? If it's anything like the so-called lining in some model skates, I give it a big failure.

Pittards makes the Stay Fresh package for Eagle. You can find more information here here. Nobody else in hockey [besides Eagle] uses the MicroSpike technology from Pittards.

I was referred to Pittards' website when I asked about the science behind anti-microbial materials. I was in a microbiology class this past semester, and I thought that I could do some real-life learnin' :lol:, so I brought the Pittards information to my microbiology prof. As a class, we discussed "Microspike" technology.

-We pointed out the strangeness of Pittards' E. coli images. Considering that E. coli's morphology is a short round rod, what are those flattened, depleted cells in the "before" picture? <_<

-E. coli's natural habitat is warm-blooded animals' gut, and its presence outside of animals indicate fecal contamination. Why show testing with E. coli?!? :(

-Watch the Quicktime video. How in the world do the Microspikes suddenly detect the microbe, stick up, and then retract? What happens to the punctured cells? Do they simply disappear? Or do they slough off the leather? Do they build up under layers of Microspikes unless you wash them? (I realize that animations are simplifications, but there's a lot of glossing over. )

-The best observation was an image of a plate whose surface was covered with bacteria (cloudy appearance). They had different types of leathers on this plate and it was clear around some of those square leather pieces, i.e. the bacteria could not grow on and around those leathers. In a typical microbiology experiment, there'd be a circular disk with some antibacterial treatment that had chemicals that moved through the gel to inhibit cell growth. Obviously, the Microspike had the biggest "zone of inhibition."

There are two problems. The first oddity was that the leather patch was square and the zone of inhibition was circular. The second inconsistency is Microspike's claim that it "does not migrate on to other material or on to the skin." But how does Microspike inhibit cellular growth around the leather patch if it doesn't come off the leather?!? :o The entire class roared with laughter over that one. (I've searched high and low on the Pittards' website for the image with that test. I can't find it at all! Maybe they pulled it off the site...)

Now, I'm not slamming Pittards for their products because it seems like people have had success with it: no odor, soft feel, etc. On the other hand, their marketing, once it's put under scrutiny, doesn't seem to be coherent or convincing.

[jimmy 194]

I'm not saying antimicrobal coatings do not work, they do. I'm just saying not for long in harse hockey conditions. Anything chemically treated will wear out and or wash out. With hockey equipment, it depends on how often used. If you are a frequent player, i would expect the chemicals to not last very long. Since I haven't seen any research and tests done on HOCKEY equipment, I'm just skeptical of actual durability, that's all I'm saying. I'd like to see a test on hockey equipment used 4-5 times a week, and left in bag like most hockey players. Real conditions, not lab stuff.

[mojo122 538]

I think the fact that Cavs has been using the technology 5 to 6 times a week now for 4 months speaks pretty well for its durability.

[jimmy 194]

I think the fact that Cavs has been using the technology 5 to 6 times a week now for 4 months speaks pretty well for its durability.

Not a big enough sample, totally anecdotal.

[Cavs019 710]

Especially since I don't sweat that much...But in my experience the package has been great.

[mojo122 538]

My point is that I'll take an HONEST opinion of a trustworthy forum member over a manufacturer's claim any day.

[Guest Marcelo Cordoba]

For those that don't believe (and don't know for sure), put your money where your mouth is. If you don't believe it, try it and tell us what YOUR results are. It may not work for you, or, you might be pleasantly surprised.

Jimmy, ask Marco for a demo set and try it for yourself. Then, let us know what you think.

[Jim A 4]

ok... :lol:

oh....that.....Jimmy....damn!!

[jimmy 194]

Especially since I don't sweat that much...But in my experience the package has been great.

Exactly, I have lots of customers with skates with the "stayfresh" lining, some sweat like pigs, others do not. The ones who sweat like pigs, their skates started stinking after just a few uses. Those that don't sweat bad, the smells aren't as bad. Same would apply to gloves. Besides, there are so many other variable.... do you air out your equipment or does it stay in the bag, etc.

I'm not real familiar with the Eagle design, is the micro spike technology used on the ENTIRE inside, fingers, cuff, backhand, wrist area? If not, then bacteria will grow quickly on any part of the glove that is not treated, defeating the intended purpose.

Marcelo, having customers as you say "put their money where there mouths are" to see if a manufacturers claims are true is a poor way of doing business. It's up to the manufacturer to prove the item works as claimed, if they can't stand by their claims, then they should offer a 100% refund if it doesn't work as advertised. That's the fair way of doing it instead of having customers waste their money.

[Guest Marcelo Cordoba]

I'm not real familiar with the Eagle design, is the micro spike technology used on the ENTIRE inside, fingers, cuff, backhand, wrist area?  If not, then bacteria will grow quickly on any part of the glove that is not treated, defeating the intended purpose.

Yes.

Marcelo, having customers as you say "put their money where there mouths are" to see if a manufacturers claims are true is a poor way of doing business.  It's up to the manufacturer to prove the item works as claimed, if they can't stand by their claims, then they should offer a 100% refund if it doesn't work as advertised.  That's the fair way of doing it instead of having customers waste their money.

I've never had a complaint about the results of Stay Fresh, only compliments from parents for recommending it.

Jimmy, if you were a store in my area, I would gladly get you a pair of gloves to try out for yourself. That is why I suggested you contact Marco and see if he can get you a pair to try.

You seem very defensive lately. Hope everything works out OK, whatever may be bothering you. Life is too short to worry about Stay Fresh working or not.

[stix04 0]

I've got X80s that are about a season old, and already I've developed the rash I always get on my hands from my gloves. Is there any way I can send out my gloves to get the Stay fresh package put in them? If so, how much will it cost me? Thanks

[Guest Marcelo Cordoba]

I've got X80s that are about a season old, and already I've developed the rash I always get on my hands from my gloves. Is there any way I can send out my gloves to get the Stay fresh package put in them? If so, how much will it cost me? Thanks

Stay Fresh is something that comes on the new glove, not something you can add.

[stix04 0]

Isnt it a type of lining and palms? I cant get it put in my gloves? Wouldn't it be the same as repalming the gloves.

[Chadd 916]

Isnt it a type of lining and palms? I cant get it put in my gloves? Wouldn't it be the same as repalming the gloves.

No, you would have to take the glove apart and rebuild it completely. That's more work and effort than making a new glove. More work means more money. If you really want/need the stay fresh, buy a new pair of gloves.

[stix04 0]

Damnit. Well the thing is my X80's appear brand new, so theres no chance of me gettin new gloves anytime soon. Thanks anyway

[Racer8 0]

From my personal experience I custom ordered a pair of Eagle Fusions with split fingers and the stay fresh package, and I can say I completely agree with Cavs: Soft as a baby's bottom, yet sans smell, very luxurious, and absolutely worth the money.

I've used mine for the last few months, 3-4 days a week, and a great product. Only downsides are they seem a little slower to dry then my Synergys '04. The goat skin palm is fantastic, and I grow to love my gloves a little more and more each day. Yet, if I was to do it all over again I would get the stay fresh package and the goat skin palms put into the Synergy shell.

The stay fresh package is a worthwhile and quality upgrade investment for those who wish to invest in a pair of high end gloves rather than simply buy a pair of mitts to cover their needs. Expensive? Yes. Worth the investment? Absolutely.

[jimmy 194]

I'm not real familiar with the Eagle design, is the micro spike technology used on the ENTIRE inside, fingers, cuff, backhand, wrist area?  If not, then bacteria will grow quickly on any part of the glove that is not treated, defeating the intended purpose.

Yes.

Marcelo, having customers as you say "put their money where there mouths are" to see if a manufacturers claims are true is a poor way of doing business.  It's up to the manufacturer to prove the item works as claimed, if they can't stand by their claims, then they should offer a 100% refund if it doesn't work as advertised.  That's the fair way of doing it instead of having customers waste their money.

I've never had a complaint about the results of Stay Fresh, only compliments from parents for recommending it.

Jimmy, if you were a store in my area, I would gladly get you a pair of gloves to try out for yourself. That is why I suggested you contact Marco and see if he can get you a pair to try.

You seem very defensive lately. Hope everything works out OK, whatever may be bothering you. Life is too short to worry about Stay Fresh working or not.

Naw, I'm not defensive just skeptical, as we should all be of manufacturer claims. As a retail store owner, I have to listen to the complaints from customers who buy a product and the manufacturer's claim doesn't work. They don't like to hear, oh, sorry I sold you something like that, feel free to contact the manufacturer. SO, I like to week out the BS when I can.

[Hockeyman9621 0]

Jimmy's on his period. :o j/k :lol: I know a kid who has been using them almost every day since christmas and they still feel awesome when I put them on.

[jimmy 194]

Jimmy's on his period. :o j/k :lol: I know a kid who has been using them almost every day since christmas and they still feel awesome when I put them on.

And I know a kid who loves his Bauer 101 skates too. :-)