Similar fit to Externo?

[cds 0]

I'm currently skating on a pair of size 10 705's which i've used for 5 games or so and i'm experiencing some pretty bad pain on the sides of my feet. I'm thinking that I might need to try something a little wider. The best fitting skate that i've ever used is a size 10D CCM Externo Cage roller boot. Does the Vector series have a similar fit? Can you guys give me any other suggestions of a skate with a similar fit to the Externo series?

Thanks.

I've used the search function, but couldn't come up with anything too definitive.

[JR Boucicaut 3804]

Vector = Externo

[cds 0]

Cool, thanks JR.

Any good bets in other brands, ie. Graf, Mission, Nike?

[Ogie Oglethorpe 14]

I thought the Externo was supposed to fit like more of a Bauer type fit, no?

So, while I know the Vector replaced the Externo, is everyone sure the fit is the same?

[JR Boucicaut 3804]

Nope, not sure, I don't know anything...

It is the same fit.

[sogaduch 0]

JR the externo fit deeper compared to the vector since the vector is narrower in the heel compared to the externo. the externo was abit wider from my experience and deeper where the vector fits narrower and shallower so the closest fit to an externo would be the new tacks

[JR Boucicaut 3804]

Based on my experience and what they have told me, it is the same last.

[sogaduch 0]

Based on my experience and what they have told me, it is the same last.

if you look at an externo externo and if you look at the vector vector there is some difference in the depth. aswell if you try both skates on youll feel more pressure in a D with vector than a D width externo just based on the width difference. alot of companies say it comes off the last but if they change the materials there using then it will make the skates fit different aswell the amount of padding used changes the fit also and where its made. the externo was made in canada but the vectors are made over seas if im not mistaken.

[ktang 34]

I tried both Externos and Vectors, and the Vectors fit me better. I could notice a difference. I'm not a skate fitter, so I don't know what the difference was exactly.

My Vector Pros' tongues have a tag saying "Made in Canada". I got them in 2004. But, other Vector models could be made elsewhere.

[GeeZa32 0]

I skate in both Vectors(7.0) and Externos(E60) and can say they fit damn near the same to me.

[jjtt99 0]

My simplistic understanding.

CCM = Wide

Tacks = Wide and very shallow.

Externo & Vector = Wide and kind of shallow.

Reebok = Kind of wide but deeper than their CCM cousins.

[zingbergeur 0]

I found my roller externos to have a very narrow toebox and were slightly deeper fitting compared to my older ccm tacks 1052s which were a little shallower and wider in the toe. Maybe the externos are wider than vapors, but I wouldn't call them wide...at least not in the toe.

[docar15 1]

For whatever it worth, I currently skate in a Vector 10SE, tried a pair of Externo 50s, band new in the same size 8D. They are definitely higher in the ancles, so the boot last is different. Heel cup is narrower then the 10SE. If I was to get the Externos, they would require at least a few hours of baseball to speed up the heel cup breakage process.

To summarize:

Deeper - First impression yes, not sure if it is due to tighter heel cup or taller boot last.

Toe box - Same as Vector (cpmaring to my 2007 10SE).

Boot last height - definitely feeltaller then my Vectors.

Arch supprt - More defined then in my vectors. Some of it may be in the footbed. Need to take it out to tell. My vector 10s feel definitely flatter with factory footbed. For some reason V10SE factory footbed gave me crazy arch pains no matter how tight the laces are. I use greay Shock Doctors with them and it feel much better.

Our local shop has some sizes of the Externo 50s for $99. I will most likely pick up a pair as a spare skate.

If anybody cares, I can post an update once I break them in and play a game or two.

P.S. I can only compare these CCMs to Grafs, have zero experience with NB or anything else. Sorry.

Nope, not sure, I don't know anything...

It is the same fit.

[epstud74 24]

For whatever it worth, I currently skate in a Vector 10SE, tried a pair of Externo 50s, band new in the same size 8D. They are definitely higher in the ancles, so the boot last is different. Heel cup is narrower then the 10SE. If I was to get the Externos, they would require at least a few hours of baseball to speed up the heel cup breakage process.

To summarize:

Deeper - First impression yes, not sure if it is due to tighter heel cup or taller boot last.

Toe box - Same as Vector (cpmaring to my 2007 10SE).

Boot last height - definitely feeltaller then my Vectors.

Arch supprt - More defined then in my vectors. Some of it may be in the footbed. Need to take it out to tell. My vector 10s feel definitely flatter with factory footbed. For some reason V10SE factory footbed gave me crazy arch pains no matter how tight the laces are. I use greay Shock Doctors with them and it feel much better.

Our local shop has some sizes of the Externo 50s for $99. I will most likely pick up a pair as a spare skate.

If anybody cares, I can post an update once I break them in and play a game or two.

P.S. I can only compare these CCMs to Grafs, have zero experience with NB or anything else. Sorry.

Nope, not sure, I don't know anything...

It is the same fit.

I've heard many positive responses regarding Externos in the past and I still see quite a few of them on the ice. JR? Is it possible for a boot to be built on the same last, but feel different due to perhaps different materials in the boot? Are toe caps considered part of the original "last?"

[docar15 1]

I ended up picking up a pair of the CCM Externo E50s mentioned in my first post. They definitely have more padding in the heel area. Padding placement looks very similar to the Garf's three leaf, two large ancle pads, not gowing all the way down by 5 - 8mm, narrow almost pad-less area among the spine up to 2x5cm diameter (+/-) pad right under the guard. The guard itself has a 3 cm pad in it. I can't speak to the density of the foam based on the initial feel, but I does feel pretty hard for 30 mins I have had them on (wife dirving :-)). I am afraid I will have to find a baseball if I want to skate in them tommorw. Had them baked in the store and will wait 24 hours before heavy use.

They are definitely higher boot then my 2007 Vector 10SEs. Cut is different in the upper sidewall area. Overall they feel like a keeper. Coming from Grafs, I definitely welcome the more pronnounced heel cup and extra ancle padding. At least in 709 or 739 Grafs (I used before) the ancle pads once set made for a one-of-a-kind feel. Again, I can't speak for the density of material in the heel and ancle padding, but the sheer amount is definitely more then 10SEs.

Toe bog is the same as 10SEs, I wear skates etra tight, so toe box size is really not my strongest area. Any shot I catch in the toe box result in a bloody toe nail.

Hope this helps.

[docar15 1]

Update;

After using the Externos for a little over a month, 8-10 hours of ice time per week (not that much), one week ago I started to develop an ancle pain. As it gotten worse, I wen to see a doctor. My PCP thinks it is a minor ankle spur.

Dumb question, is it even possible to find a softer boot that would provide similar level of protection as high-end models, also known as "stiff as hell"?

I have strong ankles and really don't need the stiffness, just the protection for blocking an occasional shot or two. I fugred softer would mean cheaper and would even out buying more often vs buying less often the high-end models...

Any experiences with Graf 707 or similar concepts?

[Chadd 916]

Vector = Externo

= KOHO

[Law Goalie 147]

Update;

After using the Externos for a little over a month, 8-10 hours of ice time per week (not that much), one week ago I started to develop an ancle pain. As it gotten worse, I wen to see a doctor. My PCP thinks it is a minor ankle spur.

Dumb question, is it even possible to find a softer boot that would provide similar level of protection as high-end models, also known as "stiff as hell"?

I have strong ankles and really don't need the stiffness, just the protection for blocking an occasional shot or two. I fugred softer would mean cheaper and would even out buying more often vs buying less often the high-end models...

Any experiences with Graf 707 or similar concepts?

The 707s are terrific by all accounts, as are the Mission S500 and -AG (I think) boots.

[Chadd 916]

Update;

After using the Externos for a little over a month, 8-10 hours of ice time per week (not that much), one week ago I started to develop an ancle pain. As it gotten worse, I wen to see a doctor. My PCP thinks it is a minor ankle spur.

Dumb question, is it even possible to find a softer boot that would provide similar level of protection as high-end models, also known as "stiff as hell"?

I have strong ankles and really don't need the stiffness, just the protection for blocking an occasional shot or two. I fugred softer would mean cheaper and would even out buying more often vs buying less often the high-end models...

Any experiences with Graf 707 or similar concepts?

The 707s are terrific by all accounts, as are the Mission S500 and -AG (I think) boots.

Avoid the silver/black Fuels, those were awful.

[docar15 1]

I doubght I will be able to get the Swiss Made 707s.

Are Mission S500 similar in protection to Mission Fuel 120 AG that Mr. JR gave a "definitely not a shot-blocker's skate" rating?

Update;

After using the Externos for a little over a month, 8-10 hours of ice time per week (not that much), one week ago I started to develop an ancle pain. As it gotten worse, I wen to see a doctor. My PCP thinks it is a minor ankle spur.

Dumb question, is it even possible to find a softer boot that would provide similar level of protection as high-end models, also known as "stiff as hell"?

I have strong ankles and really don't need the stiffness, just the protection for blocking an occasional shot or two. I fugred softer would mean cheaper and would even out buying more often vs buying less often the high-end models...

Any experiences with Graf 707 or similar concepts?

The 707s are terrific by all accounts, as are the Mission S500 and -AG (I think) boots.

Avoid the silver/black Fuels, those were awful.

[Chadd 916]

I doubght I will be able to get the Swiss Made 707s.

Are Mission S500 similar in protection to Mission Fuel 120 AG that Mr. JR gave a "definitely not a shot-blocker's skate" rating?

I blocked a few shots with my S500s and as much as I loved those skates, blocking shots is something you don't want to do in them. I was never hurt badly, but I left many games with pain in my feet.

[Fredrik 0]

Vector = Externo

= KOHO

KOHO's what I've heard too. Fits wider than the Vectors.

[JR Boucicaut 3804]

The KOHO came first - I used to wear them. It evolved into the Externo with the same fit. Vector then replaced it and got narrower/shallower.

[Chadd 916]

The KOHO came first - I used to wear them. It evolved into the Externo with the same fit. Vector then replaced it and got narrower/shallower.

Everything got shallow in the race to save weight. One of the dumbest things the various manufacturers did.

[docar15 1]

After reading one more time the review of the 120 AG, it looks more and more like the skate to try. I hate the street shoe size refference (do they mean my size 12 crocs or size 10.5 dress shoes?). For length and width I fit in CCM Externo size 8D, Vector 6 or 10SE size 8D, NBH Supreme One70 and One90 size 8D, NBH Vapor XXV or XXXX size 8.5D. If you had to guess, would you consider Mission 120 AG in size 10D?

Thank You.