Fedoruk

[beaucoup_fish 0]

What's with the bullshit comments that all these visor-less tough guys(Avery/Fedoruk) are making? How can they say that guys with visors (they've been partciularly targeting Denny Gauthier) don't back anything up, when the corresponding tough guy doesn't even approach the other? These guys are just harping on visor wearers, posing as "tough" guys when all they do is go out after a non-tough guy in "retaliation"...

Why don't Todd Fedoruk and Avery back it up by going after Gauthier himself? Fedoruk is is friggin' pussy for taking out Nedved instead of trying to smash Gauthier...and how long until useless hacks like Fedoruk and Avery are gone?

[lee92 2]

anyone also notice how gretzky wasn't slapped with a $10000 fine for doans actions in the last 5 mins?

[Eazy_b97 1]

It's because he didn't send out a fighter to purposely start a fight late in the game. Thats what the rule is there for and each situation will be reviewed. Since it was his best player, captain and superstar which fought, they deemed it rather unlikely Gretz sent him out for it.

For the first post, fighting Gauthier does very little. It's small time retribution. Although it's the "honourable" thing to go after him (especially if it was Marchant or Lupul), taking Nedved out is that much more effective because he's a better and more important player.

[Duder84 0]

he didn't need to say stuff about visors though..last i checked, it wasn't the visors who hit people

[beaucoup_fish 0]

he didn't need to say stuff about visors though..last i checked, it wasn't the visors who hit people

Or didn't "back it up."

[ultraman7k 0]

wasn't gauthier throwing a couple elbows out there?

[beaucoup_fish 0]

wasn't gauthier throwing a couple elbows out there?

I think it was a questionable hit, but who cares?

It happens, and it's not like other players don't do it. I was just generally irritated by the fact that guys that consider themselves "tough," like Fedoruk and Avery have picked guys that wear visors (more specifically QUEBECOIS visor wearers) as "wimps," because they don't "back anything up."

I would like to know what exactly "backing things up," entails - do Fedoruk or Avery immediately go and try to pick a fight right after delivering each and every hit? Is that what "backing it up," is? Or is it being able to stand up for yourself after delivering a borderline questionable hit? If that's the case, then neither Avery nor Fedoruk have even tried to go after Gauthier so that he could "back it up."

Instead, Fedoruk goes out and decks a finesse player, Nedved, to prove what? That he's a tough guy for beating up the hockey equivalent of the 90-pound weakling? Yeah, that's a real tough message to send to Gauthier: "If you deck one of our guys, we'll deck the smallest guy on your team."

It's ridiculous, especially considering his "eye for an eye," comment. It's not really an eye for an eye if Gauthier doesn't get hit...these goons should just keep their mouths shut b/c sooner or later, they'll all be working the deep fryer. Maybe Avery can flip the burgs and Fedoruk can box the fries. Jackasses.

[Eazy_b97 1]

I think the message was, if you take out a player on my team, I'll take out your best player. Which should be scarier for him than getting beat up. The visor argument is pointless, it's a BS excuse and Feodruk did a bitch play by going after Nedved, but Gauthier will think twice next time they play Anahiem. If not, Maybe Nedved or Comrie will be next.

[Fletch 219]

I don't think it's fair to lump Avery in with Fedoruk. Avery never went after anybody on Phoenix, let alone Gauthier for what Gauthier did to Roenick in preseason. And if Sean were to go after anybody (and he still may - the Kings play them 6 more times) it's doubtful he'll go after one of their finesse guys. He tends to go after the guys he know will drop the gloves (Ricci, Tyson Nash, etc.).

[rausch27 1]

i dont get the deal with the visors. i thought if you take it off , theres no problem and you can fight?

[Vishi05 0]

I don't think it's fair to lump Avery in with Fedoruk.  Avery never went after anybody on Phoenix, let alone Gauthier for what Gauthier did to Roenick in preseason.  And if Sean were to go after anybody (and he still may - the Kings play them 6 more times) it's doubtful he'll go after one of their finesse guys.  He tends to go after the guys he know will drop the gloves (Ricci, Tyson Nash, etc.).

That's funny.. Avery going after players he knows will fight.

Actually, how can he pull off his fake glove drop if the other player won't drop their gloves first.

[msander 0]

It really is a shame he didn't just go after Gauthier instead. I really hate Gauthier. He's a cheapshotting talentless prick. I was surprised to see him throwing such great elbows in that game against Anaheim. He used to be a one dimensional knee on knee guy, great to see that he's elevating his "game"...

[duckjob 1]

That's funny.. Avery going after players he knows will fight.

Actually, how can he pull of his fake glove drop if the other player won't drop their gloves first.

You beat me to it...

[Eazy_b97 1]

i dont get the deal with the visors. i thought if you take it off , theres no problem and you can fight?

You can, it's more the philosophy thing. The "theory" is that players who wear visors are scared of being hurt, thus shouldn't take liberties with other players because they are scared of what will happen. Visors = Wimps. Obviously I'm stating Fedoruk's views and not my own right now.

I actually like Gauthier. I think he got a bad rep and now everyone thinks his hits are dirty, alot are boarderline, but they could go either way. The Lupul hit was an elbow, but it happens all the time. I think the Marchant hit was clean. He seems to have that Bryan Marchment vibe to him, where a few bad hits have caused every one of his hits to be viewed as "cheap".

[beaucoup_fish 0]

i dont get the deal with the visors.  i thought if you take it off , theres no problem and you can fight?

You can, it's more the philosophy thing. The "theory" is that players who wear visors are scared of being hurt, thus shouldn't take liberties with other players because they are scared of what will happen. Visors = Wimps. Obviously I'm stating Fedoruk's views and not my own right now.

I actually like Gauthier. I think he got a bad rep and now everyone thinks his hits are dirty, alot are boarderline, but they could go either way. The Lupul hit was an elbow, but it happens all the time. I think the Marchant hit was clean. He seems to have that Bryan Marchment vibe to him, where a few bad hits have caused every one of his hits to be viewed as "cheap".

Completely agree. I like Gauthier as well, he's a good hitter, and yeah, some of his hits have been borderline, but he's been pigeonholed, just like Marchment.

Fletch, with regards to Avery - he didn't go after anyone on the ice. Instead, he chose to do his fighting the way he always does - thru the media. Now who's a wimp?

And guys with visors are scared of getting hurt all right - they don't want to lose an eye a la Bryan Berard. It's just a precaution that they consider necessary or smart, and I agree with guys that wear visors for protection from eye injury.

No one wears a visor to avoid fights - Iggy wears a visor. Does he back down? No way - I'd say he's one of the fiercest fighters in the game.

[Jim A 4]

You really think Marchment was pigeonholed, especially towards the end?

Even some of his own friends couldn't agree it was "coincidence" later on in his career..

the familiar refrain to "pick on someone your own size" isn't around anymore, even in my BS beer leagues..we have people who are 6'4 and pick on the smallest people on the other team along with the women..but don't go against the better guys..pussy..so what do you do.do you take out their players that are equal ..or go after him...me..i say go after the guy directly..

[Eazy_b97 1]

I definately think Marchments dirty hits early on result in alot of his "good" hits being deemed unclean. I think the exact opposite can be said of Stevens, he got the rep of a good clean hitter, and hit dirty hits weren't thought of bad at all. If you change the logo on these Gauthier hits to a Devil and add #4, these are "clean", Good 'ol Scott Stevens hits.

[Chadd 916]

The difference between a technically legal but unnecessary hit and dirty hit or cheap shot depends on who is throwing the hit.

[Fletch 219]

I don't think it's fair to lump Avery in with Fedoruk.  Avery never went after anybody on Phoenix, let alone Gauthier for what Gauthier did to Roenick in preseason.  And if Sean were to go after anybody (and he still may - the Kings play them 6 more times) it's doubtful he'll go after one of their finesse guys.  He tends to go after the guys he know will drop the gloves (Ricci, Tyson Nash, etc.).

That's funny.. Avery going after players he knows will fight.

Actually, how can he pull off his fake glove drop if the other player won't drop their gloves first.

I meant fighting-wise. It's not like Avery would challenge Kariya to a fight and just drop the gloves and start pummelling him. And you sure as shit won't see him sucker a guy like Hordichuk did to him tonight, that's for sure.

[Vishi05 0]

The hit on Marchant wasn't clean, but maybe you didn't see the angle I saw it from.

[PBRyan 0]

Avery is all talk. He cheapshoted Kariya trying to "stir" things up on Thurs., but it doesn't look like he wants to take on anyone over 180 lbs. Surpised he didn't go after Sully too. Try the fake glove drop in Darcy's face, see how that goes. ;)

[Fletch 219]

He cheapshoted Kariya

[DarkStar50 679]

Avery is all talk. He cheapshoted Kariya trying to "stir" things up on Thurs., but it doesn't look like he wants to take on anyone over 180 lbs. Surpised he didn't go after Sully too. Try the fake glove drop in Darcy's face, see how that goes. ;)

So is this the play that Grapes was getting on Avery for last night about turtleing? If so, what a wimp! Please do not say you are a tough guy and pull the turtle move. Bring back Terry O'Reilly, Stan Johnathan, and John Wensink to settle things mano-a-mano. Avery couldn't carry their jockstraps.

[beaucoup_fish 0]

Avery couldn't carry their jockstraps.

*Zing!*