Jack Johnson - World Jrs.

[TCsnipes9 0]

thanks McCabe for addressing the point I am about to make: If the roles were reversed and it was a Canadian boy dropping the American with the Jawbreaker, many of the Canadian guys would say "Well, he had it coming to him." And you guys know thats the truth.

probably the most accurate statements in this thread. every time we go up to canada to play, the reputation up there is that the're bad ass, and chippy as hell. i know for a fact that if the roles were reversed, the Canadian people would say that the US player had it coming.... no doubt in my mind.

[kingjames23rulz 0]

clip of the "cheap shot" anyone?

[Chadd 916]

Kessel is a very selfish player and his style of play hurts the US against top competition.

okay this is really starting to piss me off. how can you say kessel is a selfish player when he has 8 points that are all assists? seriously. and if kessel were canadian you'd all be creaming you pants over him saying how great of a playmaker he is.

Probably the dumbest thing I saw him do was stickhandle from the blue line to the blue paint while on the power play. That doesn't work at any level above peewee and I can't imagine any coach would encourage that type of play. He had at least two or three guys open if he chose to move the puck. The fact he did it at a time when the score was tied in a must win game means he either has the hockey sense of a rock or he's selfish. Since he's attending a major university, I'll make the assumption he isn't that dumb. Obviously I could be wrong.

[DarkStar50 679]

The point that some of you guys are missing is the simple fact that this is what Downie does. He pisses people off, and they go and do things like Johnson. Whether he deserved it or not is completely subjective, what happened, happened. He did what he does best, and it worked as well as it could possibly have. Now Johnson's in shit and Downie is relaxing for another 2 days until the Semi's.

That's why Downie's on the team. He's doing his job.

Ah yes, the Sean Avery school of thought- I will be the team super pest and never fear retribution because this is my role and I should never be worried about payback. Now, I don't agree with what Johnson did but it wasn't the first time it happened in a game and it won't be the last time, either. Players like Avery and Downie have to know that someday somebody will come looking for them and it will usually be when they least expect it. This doesn't make any of this ok or right but if Downie wants to play the role he better be prepared for the sh%$&* that comes with it. And the next time he will know to get in the first cheap shot and to make it count. I can assure you he has already figured that part out. If he hasn't, then he shouldn't be on Team Canada.

[QandA 0]

Ugh...

Just read from a few sources that the VAN fans were booing America's national anthem during the intros. Real classy

And it reflects upon all of us Canadians.

[sherwood21 0]

The point that some of you guys are missing is the simple fact that this is what Downie does. He pisses people off, and they go and do things like Johnson. Whether he deserved it or not is completely subjective, what happened, happened. He did what he does best, and it worked as well as it could possibly have. Now Johnson's in shit and Downie is relaxing for another 2 days until the Semi's.

That's why Downie's on the team. He's doing his job.

Ah yes, the Sean Avery school of thought- I will be the team super pest and never fear retribution because this is my role and I should never be worried about payback. Now, I don't agree with what Johnson did but it wasn't the first time it happened in a game and it won't be the last time, either. Players like Avery and Downie have to know that someday somebody will come looking for them and it will usually be when they least expect it. This doesn't make any of this ok or right but if Downie wants to play the role he better be prepared for the sh%$&* that comes with it. And the next time he will know to get in the first cheap shot and to make it count. I can assure you he has already figured that part out. If he hasn't, then he shouldn't be on Team Canada.

You can't actually believe that Downie thinks he is invincible. Of course he knows he's going to get pumped, when you add how much he chirps people, with the fact that he is literally 5'9-10, you've got a combo for success . He didn't just decide last week that he was going to chirp guys and be the agitator, I assure you he's been doing it since Bantams and knows that he is going to get hit/hurt.

[#94 3]

Jacko has always been a relatively dirty player...

When I was playing midget against Shattuck, he came at me with the biggest flying cross-check I've ever recieved. Almost lost my adam's apple... lol

[DarkStar50 679]

The point that some of you guys are missing is the simple fact that this is what Downie does. He pisses people off, and they go and do things like Johnson. Whether he deserved it or not is completely subjective, what happened, happened. He did what he does best, and it worked as well as it could possibly have. Now Johnson's in shit and Downie is relaxing for another 2 days until the Semi's.

That's why Downie's on the team. He's doing his job.

Ah yes, the Sean Avery school of thought- I will be the team super pest and never fear retribution because this is my role and I should never be worried about payback. Now, I don't agree with what Johnson did but it wasn't the first time it happened in a game and it won't be the last time, either. Players like Avery and Downie have to know that someday somebody will come looking for them and it will usually be when they least expect it. This doesn't make any of this ok or right but if Downie wants to play the role he better be prepared for the sh%$&* that comes with it. And the next time he will know to get in the first cheap shot and to make it count. I can assure you he has already figured that part out. If he hasn't, then he shouldn't be on Team Canada.

You can't actually believe that Downie thinks he is invincible. Of course he knows he's going to get pumped, when you add how much he chirps people, with the fact that he is literally 5'9-10, you've got a combo for success . He didn't just decide last week that he was going to chirp guys and be the agitator, I assure you he's been doing it since Bantams and knows that he is going to get hit/hurt.

Not a problem for me if Downie likes the role he has created for himself. I'm sure he does realize he will get wasted now and then. Wait until he gets to the league where they play for pay. If he wants to sing and chirp then I hope he's ready for the eagles and hawks that will clip his wings in a minute.

[mack 44]

Because there's never been anyone who does nothing but beak and not much else.

[QandA 0]

Avery's done it many times, he has pansied out more than once, and faced opponents on more than one occasion. Downie, as far as I know, has played Johnson once. Downie may of said a few things but, if theirs know passed hatred, why elbow a guy in the head? It's the first time they played, Avery's been a wuss on more than one occasion. Downie's not just there to be a pest, he had two assists, and was in on the nifty 2 on 1. So what, he whined and bickered at the Americans, 60% of the players do it. Theirs no reason to throw an elbow at a guy and put your team in jeopardy. It was stupid, and no matter who it was, their was no merrit for it.

[McCabe24 0]

Downie has 5 points along with Boyd and Bourdon to lead the team in scoring.

[QandA 0]

Ugh...

Just read from a few sources that the VAN fans were booing America's national anthem during the intros.  Real classy

And it reflects upon all of us Canadians.

I don't know how you mean that as...

Of course I don't point to all Canadians. But its something you don't like to see and unfortunately I have seen it done on both sides during playoff time recently.

I'm saying it to say that it looks bad upon all of Canada. We don't like it when other countries do it, and we do it to our neighbours. The Anti-War, Anti-Bush, Anti-American clans should shut up and respect a fellow countries anthem, as well as represent Canada with some dignity.

[Chadd 916]

Ugh...

Just read from a few sources that the VAN fans were booing America's national anthem during the intros.  Real classy

And it reflects upon all of us Canadians.

I don't know how you mean that as...

Of course I don't point to all Canadians. But its something you don't like to see and unfortunately I have seen it done on both sides during playoff time recently.

I'm saying it to say that it looks bad upon all of Canada. We don't like it when other countries do it, and we do it to our neighbours. The Anti-War, Anti-Bush, Anti-American clans should shut up and respect a fellow countries anthem, as well as represent Canada with some dignity.

It's not the first time in this tournament, some morons were chanting "US Sucks" during the previous game. Quite honestly, we deserve some on if as a nation.

[Edge 0]

I also heard of the attitude towards the USA during some of the games...

i'm not relating this to canadians in general whatsoever but I have seen more that a few 'over cocky' canadians about their hockey talent as a country. Sorry, but their not as big of a hockey dominator as they have been in the past.

[headonaswivel 1]

Mens/ladies olympic champs, Jr champs, World silver, world cup champs, u-17, ya we're struggling lately......

Downie is a hell of a player. Sure he chirps, beaks, but he's also great on draws, kills, very very strong on the boards, and has a great touch and passing ability.

Every guy that plays the Avery/Fraser role can expect attention. But when you actually put up numbers instead of just pull a Tyson Nash, then any team would love to have you. Philly fans are loving this guy.

American, Canadian, Iranian, I don't give a rats ass where he is from.

Anyone see when he was lining up for the draw and the linesman had his head turned and Downie stroked Schremps chin with his blade??? Robbie snapped and took a swing and got kicked out of the circle....Downie was chuckling.

Live by the sword die by the sword. Downie was cheaped but he has to be alert getting under peoples skin like that.

And Kessel???? Let me know when he shows up cause I'm waiting. Great speed and vision on the passes against Norway, but where was he yesterday?? Parent and Staal were absolute walls one on one. See Parent mouth "Nice F@^#*#$ move buddy." to Kessel after his weak old move he tried??? Love it.

Hopefully we can have a rematch, not for the pride of Nation put because it's just great hockey to watch.

[DarkStar50 679]

Jacko has always been a relatively dirty player...

When I was playing midget against Shattuck, he came at me with the biggest flying cross-check I've ever recieved. Almost lost my adam's apple... lol

Welcome to the top of the pyramid. In hockey talent will only get you so far. Then its time to be a mean mother f%&*%$er on the ice. Again, I don't agree with Johnson. My point now is that among the elite players, there will be more than a few that can snap at a moment's notice with some ultra nasty play. As these guys have worked their way up the pyramid, it becomes survival of the fittest. There is another unwritten rule about tryouts: "If I don't make the team, neither will you. Lets go." I have played hockey against some mean mother%$^**ers and it can be a take no prisoners approach now and then. Players like Johnson don't need more than 1 shift against guys like Downie to decide the time is now to waste #7. This is old news about the game of hockey but I think some of the younger guys either forgot about it or just didn't know.

[kingjames23rulz 0]

Any videos of the elbow yet? I have searched but have found nothing. Anyone????

[Miike 1]

Ok just read through the thread at put together the information. Its pretty basic... they Downie passed the puck to Chipchura who went down and scored, meanwhile Downie and Johnson came together, exchanged slashes then it seemed like Johnson skated away then came back with a flying elbow. It grazed Downie, didnt really hit him, Johnson got 5min and Game Misconduct.

[Dangles 0]

That's fairly accurate Miike. However, Downie was going to go to celebrate with Chipchura, when Johnson immediately changed directions and stuck up the big elbow.

[Project824 0]

Probably the dumbest thing I saw him do was stickhandle from the blue line to the blue paint while on the power play. That doesn't work at any level above peewee and I can't imagine any coach would encourage that type of play. He had at least two or three guys open if he chose to move the puck. The fact he did it at a time when the score was tied in a must win game means he either has the hockey sense of a rock or he's selfish. Since he's attending a major university, I'll make the assumption he isn't that dumb. Obviously I could be wrong.

Being smart and having hockey sense are two completely different things. More often than not hockey players are not book smart but read the game well. And there have been legions of guys getting good grades, aced geometry and are doing well in college who can't figure out how to stay in a box on a 5 on 4 PK.

There's also plenty of people at major U's who aren't smart, especially those who are getting free hockey sticks and warmup suits. Any Ivy League school is an Ivy League school right up until you are a good hockey player. The standards aren't low, but they definitely aren't the Ivy League norm. Don't believe me, try having a conversation with a few guys who play at Cornell.

Not really part of the Jack Johnson argument, but just a point:

Grades are not the only indicator of intelligence.

Intelligence doesn't make you a smart hockey player necessarily a good student.

Being a good or smart hockey player doesn't make you smart, nor a good student.

Being a dumb hockey player doesn't mean you're a bad student.

Being a smart hockey player and good student still doesn't mean you have common sense.

[Cavs019 708]

Being a smart hockey player and good student still doesn't mean you have common sense.

That would be me.

[hip check 0]

I guess I see this as a cheap shot first - deserved or not. It was likely the wrong reaction for a young, aggressive player to make in the heat of a losing battle.

Also, I see J Johnson as a Chris Pronger - type of player. A nasty side, that isn't far below the surface, coupled with strong physical play, good skating and passing, a good shot and good leadership. Pronger has had a few shady incidents, and isn't a favourite among the league, but he's good at what he does. Hopefully Johnson will put together a carreer like Pronger.

As for the Canadian/American rivalry, I'm all for it! I love watching the teams hammer each other, I love the passing and scoring, and the frantic pace. I do wish there was more respect for the anthems, but other than that I hope our Canadian guys/girls defeat the Americans every game they play them. If I were from Latvia I would be as proud of my country and it's players. Don't blur that with hating Americans. I have tons of respect for our neighbours to the south, I just want to beat them!

[J-Shera 0]

Once again Kessel tries he's same old deke against the czechs and it fails again. Have you guys seen mguires(sp) latest man crush on TJ Oshie. He allmost loves him as much as phaneuf.

[Chadd 916]

Once again Kessel tries he's same old deke against the czechs and it fails again. Have you guys seen mguires(sp) latest man crush on TJ Oshie. He allmost loves him as much as phaneuf.

I thought he was goin gto cry when Oshie was out for a while.

[driz86 0]

I was actually a little suprised because Johnson is generally a pretty nice and mild mannered kid. I guess he just let his emotions get the best of him. still a great hockey player imo