Oversized water bottles?

[Iceblade 0]

Hey guys,

Just wanted to see if anyone out there had any luck snagging a 32+ oz. water bottle for use in a game/practice. I gate having to flip up my cage or take off my damn helmet to get a drink of Gatorade. Honestly, if I could just bring one water bottle that held a whole Gatorade and another equally large bottle of water (to drink and squirt on my head/face) that would be ideal. Any of the hockey companies make these? I've tried my LHS and various sporting good stores, but they either have stuff that is more at home around a campfire or is the small size used with bikes. Thoughts?

Thanks,

Jeff

[j8Zt8r 0]

Mine holds a 32 ounce. I bought mine at a particular store as they had that straw type top with a little cap. They run like $2.99. I beleive the Total Hockey branded bottles hold 32oz as well.

[Iceblade 0]

Thanks for the tip. I'll look over at totalhockey.net. Anyone else use a "big ass" water bottle? :)

Regs,

Jeff

[kovalchuk71 212]

How about the powerade bottles (the ones the NHlers use)

[CHIEF22 0]

I just use an old water bottle, like what you buy at the store with Poland Spring water in it, because I keep leaving them at the darn rink..

But a big one with a straw would be nice. I hate having to unhook my cage to get a drink too, and my aim is terrible.

[devilsrule711 0]

how bout a gatorade bottle like this:http://www.c-els.com/sfCatalog.asp?sn=E013020020030028&pchid=60906

what a novel idea!

[jjtt99 0]

I learned the hard way that not everyone puts water in their water bottle. Gatorade sure stings when you get it in your eyes!

[j8Zt8r 0]

I learned the hard way that not everyone puts water in their water bottle. Gatorade sure stings when you get it in your eyes!

I put some watermelon flavored Gatorade Ice on my head. At least i smelled nice for the rest of the game. And the bottles I have with the straws are labeled Johnnie Mac's. I don't remember if Total Hockey has straws or not.

[hapamatt122 0]

I think most bottles you can pick up at the sport shop will hold 32oz, because my problem is that I always bring 2 gatorades (20oz bottles bought in bulk at Costco) and I can always only fit about 1 and a half in my waterbottle, it annoys me to have half a bottle left over, but I always chug it when I get back into the locker room anyways.. the straw function is handy, but its handy for the rest of the bench too, sometimes I find my bottle half empty by the time i get to it..

[Jason Harris 31]

What I'd like to see them make more often are wide-mouth water bottles. We have an ice maker on the fridge door; the ice fits into the wider mouth better, instead of hitting the edge and falling onto the floor.

[gavin 0]

Why don't you just use the mix (it's super cheap) and then put it in 2 regular type squirt thingys. You'll save a lot of money, with the money you save you can buy a new pair of skates every 2 months (if you drink as much fluid as you should be).

[top_shelf_24 0]

i didn't know there was a required amount of gatorade i should be drinking every day

[hersheybears35 0]

http://www.drinkbetterwater.com/

On the SmartWater page that shows the sizes there is a 1.5 liter bottle, throw a sport cap on the top, good to go.....................

[jrhky36 1]

i have way too many gatorade/powerade bottles. they both are designed to hold 32oz of fluid. i usaully drink 2 during a game/drop in

[Iceblade 0]

Thanks for the ideas, guys.

For the guy that suggested the Gatorade powder... I do use that... but only as a mix with my protein for my post-workout shake every day at lunch. I've been buying the endurance formula Gatorade for my hockey games and practices. I know it tastes different than the normal orange and lemon-lime versions. Not sure I see a difference in performance though. Playing here in Houston, I sweat like a whore in church. :) So the easier it is to get fluid into my gut (and onto my head to cool me down), the better.

As someone else suggested, it's a PIA to take two water bottles and pour one and a half Gatorades into them, then have to chug the rest. One bottle of Gatorade and one bottle of cold water is the way to go.

Jason, I agree... it sure would be nice to fit the ol' bottle under the ice dispenser. As it stands now, I open the freezer door, scoop out the cubes by hand an plop them into the bottle. I still end up with a couble cubes hitting the tile, shattering and freaking out the cat and dog. Not to mention the ticked off wife with the wet socks from stepping in the melted ice I couldn't find on the white tile. :)

Thanks again,

Jeff

[#44wannabe 4]

I never drink sports drinks during training, only water. Trains your body better, sports drinks for games if ive got some spare ££.

[Iceblade 0]

Quite a bit of science goes into the post workout nutrition idea. If water works for you, great. I prefer the 2:1 ratio maltodextrin carbs to protein PWO shake as advocated by numerous trainers, dieticians and sports medicine specialists. Then again, I'm trying to increase muscle mass and strength and weight train 4 days a week... your goals may be different. As always, your mileage may vary.

Thanks again,

Jeff

[nni 0]

Quite a bit of science goes into the post workout nutrition idea. If water works for you, great. I prefer the 2:1 ratio maltodextrin carbs to protein PWO shake as advocated by numerous trainers, dieticians and sports medicine specialists. Then again, I'm trying to increase muscle mass and strength and weight train 4 days a week... your goals may be different. As always, your mileage may vary.

Thanks again,

Jeff

malto is not an ideal carb source by any means.

but that being said, gatorade sucks. check out cytomax by cytosport. excellent product for games.

almost every sports botle i have found holds 32oz.

[Iceblade 0]

"ideal" in the post-workout sense is a high GI simple sugar that speeds glucose to the muscles as fast as possible.

Here's a snippet of just one of a TON of articles on this subject:

Secondly, with respect to the types of carbohydrate and protein to consume, it's clear that immediately after training, liquid nutrition is best tolerated (8,15). Since liquid nutrition is more rapidly digested and absorbed, nutrients are more rapidly delivered to the muscle. In addition, according to the literature, the optimal carbohydrates to consume are glucose and glucose polymers, like maltodextrin (8).

As far as the best protein to consume, you want to choose a protein that is absorbed as rapidly as the ingested carbs so that the synergistic insulin response can be maximized. Now that's hard to find. Most intact proteins (yes, even in powdered form) take several hours to be fully absorbed. We need protein that can get absorbed within minutes, just like the carbs do. Without this simultaneous absorption of both, the insulin response will be disappointing. So what to do? Well, since one of the most quickly digested proteins is whey hydrolysate, it's the protein of choice for our purposes here (10).

Regs,

Jeff

[nni 0]

"ideal" in the post-workout sense is a high GI simple sugar that speeds glucose to the muscles as fast as possible.

Here's a snippet of just one of a TON of articles on this subject:

Secondly, with respect to the types of carbohydrate and protein to consume, it's clear that immediately after training, liquid nutrition is best tolerated (8,15). Since liquid nutrition is more rapidly digested and absorbed, nutrients are more rapidly delivered to the muscle. In addition, according to the literature, the optimal carbohydrates to consume are glucose and glucose polymers, like maltodextrin (8).

As far as the best protein to consume, you want to choose a protein that is absorbed as rapidly as the ingested carbs so that the synergistic insulin response can be maximized. Now that's hard to find. Most intact proteins (yes, even in powdered form) take several hours to be fully absorbed. We need protein that can get absorbed within minutes, just like the carbs do. Without this simultaneous absorption of both, the insulin response will be disappointing. So what to do? Well, since one of the most quickly digested proteins is whey hydrolysate, it's the protein of choice for our purposes here (10).

Regs,

Jeff

i am well aware of the needs of post workout nutrition, and supplementation, and the fact remains that malto is not ideal. there are better options. but thanks for copying and pasting for me. ;)

you will find the use of hydrolysate few and far between.

[nni 0]

here is something for you to consider post workout and a good read....

POSTWORKOUT

OBJECTIVE

the objective here is to raise insulin concentrations & get a head start on recovery by antagonizing cortisol & other catabolic elements, replenish water & glygogen, and restore levels of circulating amino acids. this is mistakenly viewed as the most important meal of the day, which is BS. why? because if you're not properly fueled prior to this point, your workout will suck. thus, it's equally important in the large scheme of things.

COMPOSITION

i'm not biased towards a shake-only postworkout philosophy, as long as either type contains a liquid component. 2 equally effective scenarios are:

scenario one: as soon as possible postworkout - or even at the tail end of the workout, say, 10-20 minutes before it's over. i start chugging my postworkout shake 60 minutes into my workout, regardless of how long my workout takes.

---- 30-60g protein (0.25g/lb target BW). whey again is pretty cheap & works great here. research shows that postworkout protein doesn't inhibit glycogen synthesis, and can improve protein synthesis. this means that you can hedge your anabolic & anticatabolic bets by taking in a sizable amount of protein postworkout. whey happens to be a highly insulinogenic protein, so this is ideal at this point.

---- 60-120g of high-GI carbs (0.5g/lb target BW), or a combination of types that ultimately averages to a high-GI rating (70 or above). dextrose & maltodextrin have traditionally been emphasized as ideal for postworkout because of their high-GI. however, i have issues with going pure dex for postworkout for a couple of reasons - and they have nothing to do with the threat of insulin resistance, because that whole scenario applies to a completely different population. first off, you can get some default dex within fruit or milk. secondly, pure dex has no micronutrient density, and i've said it before, antioxidant micronutrition is grossly under-emphasized whenever postworkout nutrition is discussed. dex is a fine addition to your postworkout carb arsenal, but to go pure dex for the largest carb hit of your day doesn't make sense from a micronutrient density standpoint - especially when dex is contained in other foods that are more nutrient dense and are still either high-GI or highly insulinemic.

thinly rolled non-prepacketed oats (which many don't realize have a GI of appx 65-75 as opposed to the low-GI the steel-cut or old-fashioned type) plus dex is achieving the best of both worlds, but that's theoretical ground. NOTE: old fashioned/slow-cooked oats + dex in a 1:1 still yields a GI that crosses the threshold of high. adding fruit to your postworkout mix of carbs can potentially benefit folks who train with a high volume & do a lot of cardio (ie, precontest). the protection of liver glycogen status under such conditions can maintain the centrally neurologic signaling of the "fed state" and hence prevent lean tissue catabolism -- especially during hypocaloric balance.

okay, so to be practical, simple examples are: 1/2-1 cup dry oats + 30-50g dex (OR) 1/2 cup dry oats + 40g dex + 1 banana. these are just 2 examples out of many possibilities. i see nothing wrong with using high-moderate to high-GI carbs other than dex/malto, as long as the average GI of the combo is near or greater than 70. nitpicky theoretics aside, anything 65 or above on the GI scale (like the thinly rolled plain oats which people mistakenly think is in the low GI category) will likely have very similar real-world effectiveness as higher-GI choices. but remember, this is a discussion of optima, thus, we are scrutinizing the minutia and elucidating what might provide the edge.

---- as little fat as possible is best postworkout, because you don't want to blunt insulin output at this point.

---- milk considerations: whether or not you add milk to your postworkout shake depends upon personal preference and tolerance. the cons of milk are that many folks have some degree of lactose intolerance or milk allergy, and therefore are excluded from the possibility. the pros of milk postworkout are that it's highly insulinogenic, contains 6g dex per cup, and is a potent anabolic/anticatabolic substance that has outperformed whey in human research thus far.

scenario two: ASAP postworkout - a solid-food meal consisting of:

---- 30-60g protein (0.25g/lb target BW) in the form of lean flesh, all types are fine, 5-8oz suffices.

---- 60-120g high-moderate to high-GI polysaccharide carbs (0.5g/lb target BW), good examples are white or brown rice (yes most brown rice is high-GI), and all types of potatoes & breads. my bias and preference here is to include a serving of higher-glucose fresh fruit, such as grapes, banana, or pineapple - for micronutrient/antioxidant purposes as well as extra glucose (we should all know by now that the fructose contribution of fruit, at 4-7g on average per serving, is insignificant). another wrinkle to add here is that berries as a group have more antioxidant potential than other fruits. this confers benefit despite their lower concentration of glucose compared to grapes, pineapples, & bananas. so, don't worry if you choose other fruit than the higher-glucose ones postworkout; you're still winning out in the antioxidant arena.

---- water or milk, pick your poison.. a word about fruit juice: while i am not against small amounts of fructose from whole fruit for maintaining/replenishing liver glycogen, fruit juice on the other hand tends to cross the line of excess in terms of fructose, and you miss out on much of the beneficial phytochemicals & oxygen radical suppressors in whole fruit.

---- once again, keep fat to a minimum.

now.. can you exceed 120g carbs or 60g protein postworkout? of course! your training program, body mass, & physiology may actually scream for it. this is merely a point of reference for the masses to digest, absorb, & process accordingly (gotta love corny nutrition puns). for the few competitive endurance athletes who might read this, consider the rather whopping 1.0g/lb a starting point for your postworkout carb intake. protein need is sufficiently met with the standard guideline of 0.25g/lb.

ESOTERIC RAMBLINGS

a word about high or low-GI postworkout.. this is a topic that has sparked debate mainly from a finding by jentjens & colleagues showing the biphasic nature of glycogenesis (30-60min insulin-independent initial phase, followed by an insulin-dependent phase lasting several hours). this has led some sugarphobic folks to strive for low-GI foods postworkout thinking that high insulin concentrations aren't necessary for maximal glycogen replenishment. well, the fact remains that although heightened insulin concentrations don't ultimately increase the total AMOUNT of glycogen replenishment, they definitely increase the SPEED of glycogen replenishment. this is of obvious benefit when the unavoidable overlap of muscular work (and hence need for rapid replenishment) is considered. another thing that's overlooked by low-GI PW advocates (jeez, that's so ridiculous i can't believe i just typed it), is that the 30-60 minute non-insulin-dependent phase is an ideal timeframe to absorb high-GI carbs immediately ingested postworkout and have them present & ready to coincide with the insulin-depended phase of glycogenesis - where the majority of total glycogenesis takes place. as an added bit of trivia, high-GI carbs are sooooo darn good at replenishing glycogen, that even a delay of 2hrs was not observed by parkin's research team to compromise total amount of glycogen replenishment (by the way, this is not recommended, i'm just driving a point). hopefully everyone realizes the importance of manipulating insulin for all aspects of anabolism & anticatabolism. there's much much more to this facet of discussion, but we'll leave it at that.

[hockechamp14 0]

"ideal" in the post-workout sense is a high GI simple sugar that speeds glucose to the muscles as fast as possible.

Here's a snippet of just one of a TON of articles on this subject:

Secondly, with respect to the types of carbohydrate and protein to consume, it's clear that immediately after training, liquid nutrition is best tolerated (8,15). Since liquid nutrition is more rapidly digested and absorbed, nutrients are more rapidly delivered to the muscle. In addition, according to the literature, the optimal carbohydrates to consume are glucose and glucose polymers, like maltodextrin (8).

As far as the best protein to consume, you want to choose a protein that is absorbed as rapidly as the ingested carbs so that the synergistic insulin response can be maximized. Now that's hard to find. Most intact proteins (yes, even in powdered form) take several hours to be fully absorbed. We need protein that can get absorbed within minutes, just like the carbs do. Without this simultaneous absorption of both, the insulin response will be disappointing. So what to do? Well, since one of the most quickly digested proteins is whey hydrolysate, it's the protein of choice for our purposes here (10).

Regs,

Jeff

If you're going to quote t-mag, you should at least pimp a link:

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=body_142post

hockechamp14 - hating on the people who quote articles with sources, yet doesn't mention his own. ;)

[nni 0]

"ideal" in the post-workout sense is a high GI simple sugar that speeds glucose to the muscles as fast as possible. 

Here's a snippet of just one of a TON of articles on this subject:

Secondly, with respect to the types of carbohydrate and protein to consume, it's clear that immediately after training, liquid nutrition is best tolerated (8,15). Since liquid nutrition is more rapidly digested and absorbed, nutrients are more rapidly delivered to the muscle. In addition, according to the literature, the optimal carbohydrates to consume are glucose and glucose polymers, like maltodextrin (8).

As far as the best protein to consume, you want to choose a protein that is absorbed as rapidly as the ingested carbs so that the synergistic insulin response can be maximized. Now that's hard to find. Most intact proteins (yes, even in powdered form) take several hours to be fully absorbed. We need protein that can get absorbed within minutes, just like the carbs do. Without this simultaneous absorption of both, the insulin response will be disappointing. So what to do? Well, since one of the most quickly digested proteins is whey hydrolysate, it's the protein of choice for our purposes here (10).

Regs,

Jeff

If you're going to quote t-mag, you should at least pimp a link:

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=body_142post

hockechamp14 - hating on the people who quote articles with sources, yet doesn't mention his own. ;)

i find t-nation to be very biased.

i feel that for hockey and other endurance sports, you are not going to gain muscle mass, so your first priority should be replenishing and re-hydrating your self (i do like cyto-max for this, best i have found so far although it has its faults) and then after this is under control get your protein.

[Iceblade 0]

Fair enough. You've got your opinions. I have mine. You have your results and I mine. Live and let live... and yes, I apologize for not including the link. It was actually there the first time I typed the response but then shut my damn browser accidentally and forgot to re-include it upon retyping.

Enjoy,

Jeff

[mcgyver29 0]

Check out a good bike shop, they have all different types and sizes of water bottles to choose from...