Where will Shanny go?

[kosydar 0]

My question wasn't whether or not there was a reason for that to happen. My question was simply if Theo would take him for a 1 year, <$1 mil contract. Simple enough, it won't happen.

[kosydar 0]

Fair enough, although I will say last year's wrist injury was a fluke.

[#96 0]

The terms were fine...He gained a lot of respect from a lot of our fans who hated him for years.

If we didn't sign Cullen, I would think about it. It's not even the money. Just the possible injuries

Im sorry, but I just don't think Cullen will be the guy people are talking about. He's quick, got some smarts, but I dunno, just not the complete package. I personally would take Lindros for 1 year/1 mil and have him as the second line center.

[Chadd 916]

The terms were fine...He gained a lot of respect from a lot of our fans who hated him for years.

If we didn't sign Cullen, I would think about it.  It's not even the money.  Just the possible injuries

Im sorry, but I just don't think Cullen will be the guy people are talking about. He's quick, got some smarts, but I dunno, just not the complete package. I personally would take Lindros for 1 year/1 mil and have him as the second line center.

Lindros is a solid #2 center and Cullen is a #3 right now.

[#96 0]

I thought Rooch was better off in a 3rd line and PK role with the Rangers team. 2nd line offensive role with the guys they had with him just wasn't a good fit.

Chadd - I completely agree. Lindros #2, Cullen #3.

[#96 0]

I thought Rooch was better off in a 3rd line and PK role with the Rangers team. 2nd line offensive role with the guys they had with him just wasn't a good fit.

Chadd - I completely agree. Lindros #2, Cullen #3.

He might have been better in that type of role, but because of the circumstances he did get second line minutes and duties. I don't think he is worth much of anything anymore on any line. Great guy, but his game doesn't transfer to the new NHL at all.

Cullen in and Rucchin out is a no brainer, IMO. Cullens game is speed, so he won't render the line he plays on useless like Ruchhin did.

Immonen should get a good look at a center position...Although many Ranger fans are not as high on him as they were last year. Hey, if Immonen is not ready, we do have a spot on the second line as you say. If we choose to do nothing, we put a possible 50 pt getter there and have possibly Greg Moore take the 3rd spot and Dubinsky and Dom Moore fight for the 4th

What do you think about Dawes, 96? He has produced at every level he has jumped to...But if we re-sign either Sykora (not likely) or Rucinsky (Likely) it doesn't look good. Although in the AHL this year, he could possibly net 50

Don't know much about the Dawes kid in all honesty. I think he played a game or two for the Rangers, no? Obviously didn't effect much of the game if we still haven't seen him on a consistent basis.

I read that Skyora is pretty much a dead duck (no pun intended). With Shanny in Broadway Blue, he's pretty much cut outta the equation.

I also read Boozin Ozo is actually going to play next season!? Something about successful knee surgery and Slats said he should be ready for camp! WTF!

Here's my problem with the Rangers, in general...a couple of seasons ago Slats dumps the whole roster (to all Canadian teams, mind you) and sells us (Ranger fans) on rebuilding from within, youth movement, yadda yadda yadda. The lockout hits, people are unsure about hockey. Rangers make some pre-season acquistions, and the team turns out alright. Overacheiving I say. Now here's the problem. Since the Rangers overacheived, they are now expected to win again since they played so well last season. But they missed the whole rebuilding thing! That was what we were sold on, good solid youth, restructing, and we haven't and won't see it! Look at their roster last season. Henry, Ortie, Dmo, Hollweg, Prucha were pretty much Ranger guys. Ward, Betts, Struds were basically minor leaguers from other teams. The rest were all career NHL guys. Where was the rebuilding from within?

Bottom line, Slats, Dolan, et. al. sold us on something that just isn't happening. I'm glad the Rangers are winning. But I'm just afraid we will spiral into what happened before. Big free agent signings, no real team, no real team unity = Disaster.

[Cavs019 710]

um......rebuilding consists of a combination of youth development, smart free agent signings, and smart trades. The Rangers have done nothing to indicate otherwise. Shanahan is a low risk signing given that its only a one year deal and the rangers can afford the four million with their current cap situation, and Cullen and Ward are character players that the Rangers do not have based on their display in the playoffs. They still have a ton of cap room and many of the younger guys, (staal, etc) will be comming up this year. I'd say they're in good shape.

[#96 0]

um......rebuilding consists of a combination of youth development, smart free agent signings, and smart trades. The Rangers have done nothing to indicate otherwise. Shanahan is a low risk signing given that its only a one year deal and the rangers can afford the four million with their current cap situation, and Cullen and Ward are character players that the Rangers do not have based on their display in the playoffs. They still have a ton of cap room and many of the younger guys, (staal, etc) will be comming up this year. I'd say they're in good shape.

* double post!

[#96 0]

um......rebuilding consists of a combination of youth development, smart free agent signings, and smart trades. The Rangers have done nothing to indicate otherwise. Shanahan is a low risk signing given that its only a one year deal and the rangers can afford the four million with their current cap situation, and Cullen and Ward are character players that the Rangers do not have based on their display in the playoffs. They still have a ton of cap room and many of the younger guys, (staal, etc) will be comming up this year. I'd say they're in good shape.

You have to understand something...the youth and rebuilding were shoved down our throats. After coaching failures, player failures, they had nothing left to do. We were promised that. We all accepted it would take time, we all accepted the teasing from Devils fans that we would now not make the playoffs for another 5 more years because of the rebuild...and da da da, where's the rebuild?

I'm sorry, but having 4 or 5 guys on a 20 or so man roster does not constitute rebuilding "from within". It just doesn't.

I'm not saying what the Rangers are doing is wrong. I'm just saying we are not "rebuilding" in the context that it was sold to us. Yes, things are better. We are better off now than we were two seasons ago. But in the strictest sense of what Slats and Dolan promised two years ago, it has not happened.

That and Slats needs to go. It's time Moose got the Exec. job we all know he's going to get anyway.

[Cavs019 710]

Fortunately when players devlop far faster than expected (Lundqvist, Prucha) rebuilding isn't as long. Again, the Rangers were projected to finish 30th last year, I don't think anyone, including the rangers staff, expected them to do so well last year.

[#96 0]

Fortunately when players devlop far faster than expected (Lundqvist, Prucha) rebuilding isn't as long. Again, the Rangers were projected to finish 30th last year, I don't think anyone, including the rangers staff, expected them to do so well last year.

Good point, Cavs. Very good point.

True rebuilding, in my book, would have a been a scenario like having Henry in goal, then having guys like Immo, Dawes, Prucha, Ortie, Dmo play KEY roles EVERY night. Sure they would lose, lose bad, for a few years. But as they come along, with the help of vets and key signings, eventually things should turn around. But it's been the other way around. It's been Career guys like Jags, Straks, Marty Rucinsky, Rucchin, etc, with the other guys (Ranger's picks)in the supporting role.

[Chadd 916]

You also need to fill holes with players capable of filling those roles. Outside of Prucha, none of the Ranger prospects showed they were a pure goal scorer. To add some scoring they sign Shanny. Rebuilding is one thing but you can't blindly expect players to do whatever you expect regardless of their strengths and weaknesses.

[#96 0]

You also need to fill holes with players capable of filling those roles. Outside of Prucha, none of the Ranger prospects showed they were a pure goal scorer. To add some scoring they sign Shanny. Rebuilding is one thing but you can't blindly expect players to do whatever you expect regardless of their strengths and weaknesses.

Also a great point. And I think that was what Cavs was saying or eluding to a few posts back.

[Chadd 916]

You also need to fill holes with players capable of filling those roles. Outside of Prucha, none of the Ranger prospects showed they were a pure goal scorer. To add some scoring they sign Shanny. Rebuilding is one thing but you can't blindly expect players to do whatever you expect regardless of their strengths and weaknesses.

Also a great point. And I think that was what Cavs was saying or eluding to a few posts back.

Yeah, I was just adding to what he already said.

[Eazy_b97 1]

What's Immonen's call-up situation like? Will he be able to go up and down at 24 years old? I'm not sure what his salary is like.

[#96 0]

Fortunately when players devlop far faster than expected (Lundqvist, Prucha) rebuilding isn't as long. Again, the Rangers were projected to finish 30th last year, I don't think anyone, including the rangers staff, expected them to do so well last year.

Good point, Cavs. Very good point.

True rebuilding, in my book, would have a been a scenario like having Henry in goal, then having guys like Immo, Dawes, Prucha, Ortie, Dmo play KEY roles EVERY night. Sure they would lose, lose bad, for a few years. But as they come along, with the help of vets and key signings, eventually things should turn around. But it's been the other way around. It's been Career guys like Jags, Straks, Marty Rucinsky, Rucchin, etc, with the other guys (Ranger's picks)in the supporting role.

Rebuilding correctly also is not throwing players who are not ready out there to get taken by the wolves.

You make rebuilding sound like a bad thing, which is sad. I didn't really enjoy being the laughing stock of the league during most of the last decade. What we have done the past two years is the only right thing we have done correctly in the last decade. If you knew the prospect situation in HF and our owned players around the jr leagues, you would believe me that we are in very good shape...Although forwards we are still a little thin. Take a look when some of our vet contracts run out...Very shortly. There is a reason for signing most of these guys very short, and that is so the kids can jump n when ready. Staal is not ready, so don't expect to see him this year.

I have no clue what you mean about Orts and DMoore playing key roles, when Orts is a perfect 4th line player and plays a key PK role and Moore is a borderline NHL'er and will get bumped this or next year. Prucha played an important role for us, exceled as well. Dawes is a small guy and very much a goal scorer, but another AHL year might benefit him as well.

You want some of these on the 1st and second lines and they simply don't belong there or are not ready yet. Prucha is and got a good taste of 2nd line last year, but many others aren't. And sometimes throwing them in where they don't belong is counter productive. This situation is the best we have been in for a long time. I can't believe a Ranger fan can't be proud and excited about the future. It's bright.

PLus, every guy we signed this summer is a proven winner, has leadership quality, plays very hard, and addressed a need of ours from last season.

Well perhaps I'm just not as hardcore a Ranger fan as others, and admittedly so, but I just don't see a silver lining here. My guts tell me we still have years of mediocrity ahead of us while other teams "rebuild" the proper way and get better and better every year while we patch holes in the boat to stop it from sinking by signing aged superstars...again.

And no disrespect ,Theo, but I saw about 79 games this year, 30 or so at MSG, and I wouldn't consider the 20 second shifts maybe every 5 mins plus PK time critical role playing by Dmo and Ortie. My brother and I used to joke that their shifts were over as soon as they got off the bench and to the center ice line. Both are career minor league guys in my book, if it weren't for their 110% effort out there. I just don't like seeing our "role playing guys" being bascically minor league guys, while other teams get "role playing guys" that can straight up play the game night in and night out, and play serious mins.

[Chadd 916]

I'm curious, what team do you think is rebuilding the right way?

[#96 0]

I'm curious, what team do you think is rebuilding the right way?

I'm not saying what's right and what's wrong...I'm saying the Rangers as an Organization sold the idea of rebuilding to the fans, and to me, it hasn't happened yet. As I said before, a team where 4 or 5 of the guys on a team roster are actually guys from "within" isn't a "rebuilt from within" team. That's what Dolan and Slats said was going to happen, and it hasn't IMHO. That's all. Nothing more to it.

[Chadd 916]

I'm curious, what team do you think is rebuilding the right way?

I'm not saying what's right and what's wrong...I'm saying the Rangers as an Organization sold the idea of rebuilding to the fans, and to me, it hasn't happened yet. As I said before, a team where 4 or 5 of the guys on a team roster are actually guys from "within" isn't a "rebuilt from within" team. That's what Dolan and Slats said was going to happen, and it hasn't IMHO. That's all. Nothing more to it.

Rebuilding is about making good draft picks and giving those players time to develop. You don't have to lose every game while those players improve. Sometimes it's better to keep guys in junior or the AHL and let them win than it is to have them lose regularly in the NHL.

[Vapor 0]

Rebuilding is about making smart decisions. Signing players, developing players, and making trades is all part of being a GM. I think slats has made some solid choices during this off season. Now if we only can make a trade for Holik, and give him a nice lengthy extension.

[Geeno_56 1]

The Rangers....ha, but anyways i was really shocked when I saw he went to New York. I wonder what his reasons were to leave.

[Cavs019 710]

Is it safe to say its Tyutin's time now? He has to show some balls this year.

[DarkStar50 679]

He sounds like a young Thomas Kaberle. Once he came around it was show-time! Face it, D-men take longer to develop at the NHL level. Give your blue-liners time to get adjusted. Throw in the new rules for D-men making everything they previously did a penalty and its not hard to understand why some guys don't seem to be making the progress you want as fast you expect.

[Eazy_b97 1]

Are you comparing his play to Kaberle, or his progression as a player?

[DarkStar50 679]

Possible, key word Possible, progression as a player. I admit to not knowing Kaberle from Day 1 of his career but there is a chance with Fedor's skill set to move to the next level. They certainly resemble each other physically. After watching the NHL for a lifetime, I think the I can count the Dmen on one hand that stepped in as young 20something or younger rookies and quickly excelled at the elite pro level. Most have a steep learning curve in the NHL. Fedor is no different. NYR fans just don't have a lot of patience because the local media hype builds these youngsters into players they cannot possibly be in Game 1 of their NHL career. Just my opinion...