Interesting Synergy Skate story

[Bo from Boston 0]

[well that's not entirely true, if the team authorized a contract that kept the skates the property of Easton, then technically the laws concerning stolen property could govern the issue legally, whether or not an "authorized dealer" sold them. The buyer would be protected only if Easton themselves had sold the dealer the skates]

Again - nothing was stolen. If the team inadvertantly sold them to a LHS to sell, the LHS is not selling stolen property. They are selling things sold to or consigned to the LHS by the team.

[CAINE 0]

Bo, did you read what you quoted? You're stuck on the word "stolen." If an agreement exists that states the skates are the property if Easton then they can NOT be LEGALLY be sold, traded, given away, lost then found, etc.. For a transaction to be legal, one must have the legal authority to transfer ownership to another party to begin with.

[mojo122 538]

Bo, did you read what you quoted? You're stuck on the word "stolen." If an agreement exists that states the skates are the property if Easton then they can NOT be LEGALLY be sold, traded, given away, lost then found, etc.. For a transaction to be legal, one must have the legal authority to transfer ownership to another party to begin with.

Easton only has legal recourse against the individual that they may have or may not have a contract/agreement with. If Easton wants them back that bad, then the holder has the upper hand here. They can’t sue you because you happened to buy a pair of their skates from one of their dealers.

[CAINE 0]

OK, slowly, for those paying attention. You can not own something that you shouldn't legally have in the first place. You can't be sued for any monetary gain by Easton but you will be ordered by a judge to turn over the property and have a legal bill that will be a bit more than the price of a pair of skates. I'm sure you've heard that "posession is nine tenths of the law." That other tenth is where contracts, titles, etc. come into play. You can't sell cars, houses, etc. if you don't hold the title. Until you get the title, the lender owns the property although you have posession. One more time, IF AN AGREEMENT EXISTS STATING THAT THE SKATES WILL UNCONDITIONALLY REMAIN THE PROPERTY OF EASTON SPORTS, THEY CAN NOT BE LEGALLY SOLD UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

[mojo122 538]

And by the time it made through the legal system the Synergy skates will no longer exist because the Stealth's will be out.

[Chadd 916]

We're making a major assumption that the team signed anything stating that. I can't imagine that any team official would have signed anything like that. They have other things to worry about.

That said, Caine is correct in the case of a contract being signed. You could also be charged with receiving stolen property in many cases.

[CAINE 0]

We're making a major assumption that the team signed anything stating that. I can't imagine that any team official would have signed anything like that. They have other things to worry about.

Yeah, I wouldn't think any team official/representative would have signed anything to that effect. I'd guess that if such an agreement exists, it's between the player and Easton. That could explain how an equipment manager could box everything up and get rid of it without ever being aware of such an agreement.

[Ryan 0]

I haven't heard anything about this, but I'm sure it's not quite as dramatic or bully-ish as you are making it out to be. There have been over 25 revisions to the SyNergy skates so who knows what version those might have been. Products are always revised constantly in the development phase.

[Chadd 916]

Not all Easton employees are as laid back as you are. It's the overly aggressive ones that give you all a bad name.

[Speed Demon 0]

What I am picking up out of this thread is that the skates will be released in September?

I make this assumption because people are saying that they will be getting a new pair in September.

[steve66 45]

I didn't read it as being aggressive, just enthusiastic which is why i'm intrigued as to what the motive might be.

[jay 1]

I think the skates were really top secret data storage devices that contained information on the location of the infamous Nazi gold (that's how Easton can afford to spend so much on R&D and marketing). A security leak from within the Easton player staff forced them to scramble to re-possess the skates before the secret location was exposed to spies from The Hockey Company and in turn preventing THC from using their new found wealth to dominate the world.

[JR Boucicaut 3804]

I honestly don't see the problem. THey want their skates back - they were prototypes. Think about it - if there were something wrong with the skates, and word got around, then it'd hurt sales. It's not the final product.

[Chadd 916]

I honestly don't see the problem. THey want their skates back - they were prototypes. Think about it - if there were something wrong with the skates, and word got around, then it'd hurt sales. It's not the final product.

I'd agree, nothing sinister at all.

[kosydar 0]

Exactly. I remember what a big deal they made about the original Si-Cores, and how the teams had to ship Easton back all of the broken ones.

[Eazy_b97 1]

I honestly don't see the problem.  THey want their skates back - they were prototypes.  Think about it - if there were something wrong with the skates, and word got around, then it'd hurt sales.  It's not the final product.

Why would they let players in major junior wear them then? Hell even Pro's? Why wouldn't they cover up the skate or make it a completely different colour so nobody knew what they even had and couldn't bad mouth it. Only the Pro's and the company. I understand that these are not the final version and I understand that they want Pro's to try them out and give feedback, but I don't understand why they'd be so upset about having proto-types get out and getting a bad name. I've already heard from a source that they weren't that good, maybe the final version will be, but I'd think they'd completely withhold information about the skate if they didn't want a bad reputation to slip out.

[Gongshow11 1]

I honestly don't see the problem. THey want their skates back - they were prototypes. Think about it - if there were something wrong with the skates, and word got around, then it'd hurt sales. It's not the final product.

It's seems like the same call back as a car. adefect that needs to be fixed. the skates aren't final so they should be fixed. hell the person will get a new pair anyways, with no kinks.

Stop being so stingy and let a company fix something in a skate that could potentially hurt your game so to speak??

[mojo122 538]

Like Ryan said, the skate has gone through countless revisions. Maybe they just want to see how different aspects have held up. I just don't think that they would go the extremes some have suggested to get them back.

[MDE3 0]

It's not sinister as someone has said, but given the amount of speculation that is made by users on new equipment, multiplied in the last few years by the use of the internet, it's understandable that prototype versions in the wrong hands and context could do some harm to the reputation of the skate before it was released. Also I am sure the company wants to look at the skates as well...which was the purpose of putting them out into service in the first place.

As far as the legal aspect goes, it really does not matter whether it was the team or the individual who signed an agreement ..assuming of course someone did. However it would not be all that far fetched to assume some money may have changed hands in exchange for the use of these skates..from Easton to the player, not the reverse. Getting a free pair of skates at the NHL level, is not really enough incentive to switch over from what you are comfortable with. More likely the use of the skates is tied to some sort of sponsorship deal with the players, and as such governed by contractual obligations.

[sn1per 0]

I think the skates were really top secret data storage devices that contained information on the location of the infamous Nazi gold (that's how Easton can afford to spend so much on R&D and marketing). A security leak from within the Easton player staff forced them to scramble to re-possess the skates before the secret location was exposed to spies from The Hockey Company and in turn preventing THC from using their new found wealth to dominate the world.

This has got to be the funniest thing I've read today.

Anyways, I don't see it as being too much of a legal problem in which Easton probably sold the product to the bruins and then the bruins to the LHS and then the LHS to the individuals. In each case, the rights and risks of ownership have been transfered to each of the parties and therefore, the receiving party is the owner of the item. If there were clauses in the contracts specifying that these items were exclusively property of easton, then yes, illegal action has taken place.

IF I were the guys who have the skates, I'd take the deal. Free pair of awesome skates, newer skates then the ones you purchased 3 months later and then a nice stick. You can't go wrong with that. Then again, the decision is up to those persons.

[JR Boucicaut 3804]

I honestly don't see the problem.  THey want their skates back - they were prototypes.  Think about it - if there were something wrong with the skates, and word got around, then it'd hurt sales.  It's not the final product.

Why would they let players in major junior wear them then? Hell even Pro's? Why wouldn't they cover up the skate or make it a completely different colour so nobody knew what they even had and couldn't bad mouth it. Only the Pro's and the company. I understand that these are not the final version and I understand that they want Pro's to try them out and give feedback, but I don't understand why they'd be so upset about having proto-types get out and getting a bad name. I've already heard from a source that they weren't that good, maybe the final version will be, but I'd think they'd completely withhold information about the skate if they didn't want a bad reputation to slip out.

First off - how are you going to cover up those skates? You've seen the pics.

Second - like Ryan said - revisions are made. Companies are constantly improving their products.

[Justin 1933 134]

I haven't heard anything about this, but I'm sure it's not quite as dramatic or bully-ish as you are making it out to be. There have been over 25 revisions to the SyNergy skates so who knows what version those might have been. Products are always revised constantly in the development phase.

Exactly, I am sure it is not such a big deal...It's R&D....Skates go through numerous prototypes before they hit the market. They may want them back, so that they can study how the boot is holding up, wear, etc...