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Ive got a pair of CCM vector 10's on the way, i seriously dont like the CCM e holder, i prefer the good old tuuk custom plus, but im thinking of going to the lightspeed holder, or even the new lightspeed 2 power holder (blue to match the blue piping on the skate)

The skate size is

US 10.5

EURO 44

UK 9.5

CM 27.7

Any idea of sizes?

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Are the lightspeed 2 power holders available for sale seperately.

I was in my local rink last night and seen a pair that was going to be put onto a pair of easton ultra lite pro's!

And im in the UK, i didnt think they would be available yet!

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well in the shop i work in (in New Jersey) we have them in stock but we are also a NBH First Line Dealer

but in the UK i think it would be very hard to find them at all besides on a pair of one90's/ 70's

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Ive got a pair of CCM vector 10's on the way, i seriously dont like the CCM e holder, i prefer the good old tuuk custom plus, but im thinking of going to the lightspeed holder, or even the new lightspeed 2 power holder (blue to match the blue piping on the skate)

The skate size is

US 10.5

EURO 44

UK 9.5

CM 27.7

Any idea of sizes?

OK, I have to ask, you say you "seriously don't like the CCM E holder, so tell us exactly why? Please be specific. I get so torqued when folks change holders for no real reason, and same folks when blindfolded couldn't tell what holder was on their skates.

The LS holder is a nice holder. The LS power holder is nothing special, just the LS holder made in a clear plastic, which didn't shrink, so they had to make longer steel to make up for lack of "shrinkage".

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Ive got a pair of CCM vector 10's on the way, i seriously dont like the CCM e holder, i prefer the good old tuuk custom plus, but im thinking of going to the lightspeed holder, or even the new lightspeed 2 power holder (blue to match the blue piping on the skate)

The skate size is

US 10.5

EURO 44

UK 9.5

CM 27.7

Any idea of sizes?

OK, I have to ask, you say you "seriously don't like the CCM E holder, so tell us exactly why? Please be specific. I get so torqued when folks change holders for no real reason, and same folks when blindfolded couldn't tell what holder was on their skates.

The LS holder is a nice holder. The LS power holder is nothing special, just the LS holder made in a clear plastic, which didn't shrink, so they had to make longer steel to make up for lack of "shrinkage".

Jimmy,

I just dont like the look of the holder thats all, i was never keen on them when they appered on the old KOHO skates. I just think they look big and bulky.

So been honest its more of a cosmetic thing more than anything else.

Im in the position where i can change holders etc, as i have my own riviting machine and sharpener.

But how many players skates who wear reebox/ccm ect who have changed the holders? surely if the 'pros' change them it must be for some reason.

I like the custom plus as i think they are a good stong holder, ive had the black and the white, and currently i have a set of the old clear tuuks on my easton z air skates, which ivew had no problems with.

Ive had to replace loads of steel, holders and other parts with some of the newer skates from the likes of nike/bauer ccm and reebok for various customers i have.

But yet again i think its just down to personal preferance why people want to change. Look back 10,15 20 years ago, most people never had the option, they just stuck with what they had as there was little choice.

I blame the big stars with the big sponsorship deals, this is why people want to change as they see thier idols change skates.

Ive had a pair of one 90's in my hand to sharpen, they are a nice boot, but i dont think the performance will last, ive had loads of the vapor 30's in to sharpen and the boots are only 6 months or so old, and they are falling to bits, cracked/split tongues missing eyelets etc etc.

Had a pair of reebok 9k pumps in which the lad bought out in america, brought back, 2 weeks later a problem with the air bag on the pump, he got a replacement sent over, with the wrong size holders on them, and the blade/holder was bent!

Overall i think the quality of the equipment is been supplied now does and will not last! Years ago you bought a pair of skates, and they lasted! How many people had the bauer 4000's and still do!

Arrrrrhhhh

Rant over!

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The LS holder is a nice holder. The LS power holder is nothing special, just the LS holder made in a clear plastic, which didn't shrink, so they had to make longer steel to make up for lack of "shrinkage".

Can you document this statement regarding "shrinkage" as fact or is this conjecture? Many MSHers take your word as gospel so I am just curious how you know this to be true.

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Ive got a pair of CCM vector 10's on the way, i seriously dont like the CCM e holder, i prefer the good old tuuk custom plus, but im thinking of going to the lightspeed holder, or even the new lightspeed 2 power holder (blue to match the blue piping on the skate)

The skate size is

US 10.5

EURO 44

UK 9.5

CM 27.7

Any idea of sizes?

Your V10 skate will have dfifferent size in EUR and CM for 10,5 I think

CM will be 29

Eur. will probably be 45

BTW, newer CCM skates are sized slightlydifferent than older CCM skates.

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288 but that was on the chart on hockeygiant for teh ls2 since online stores dont carry the ls2p yet so i assume that it wouldnt be sized different than the ls2p

The HG chart is for older CCM skates.

All I know for newer ones is this:

size 7- 263 mm

size 7,5 - 8 - 271 mm

size 8,5-9 - 280 mm

ur welcome

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Ive got a pair of CCM vector 10's on the way, i seriously dont like the CCM e holder, i prefer the good old tuuk custom plus, but im thinking of going to the lightspeed holder, or even the new lightspeed 2 power holder (blue to match the blue piping on the skate)

The skate size is

US 10.5

EURO 44

UK 9.5

CM 27.7

Any idea of sizes?

Your V10 skate will have dfifferent size in EUR and CM for 10,5 I think

CM will be 29

Eur. will probably be 45

BTW, newer CCM skates are sized slightlydifferent than older CCM skates.

I havent got them yet, but that was the picture on the box!

PS the sizing was shoe sizing.

9 D Snr was also on the box.

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OK, I have to ask, you say you "seriously don't like the CCM E holder, so tell us exactly why? Please be specific. I get so torqued when folks change holders for no real reason, and same folks when blindfolded couldn't tell what holder was on their skates.

The LS holder is a nice holder. The LS power holder is nothing special, just the LS holder made in a clear plastic, which didn't shrink, so they had to make longer steel to make up for lack of "shrinkage".

Have RBK 9K skates.

Skates have the E-Pro holder.

Hate them because blades come loose all the time, even with that screw tightener stuff you put in it to help the screw stay in place.

Not only that, the lightspeeds have a better rocker to them...and it's eaiser to profile the blades that go on them.

Other than that, it's just preference. SO what if people wanna change the holders. WE're not allowed to be as picky as the pros who all change their CCM holders to TUUK as well?

And what's this blah blah about shrinkage?

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OK, I have to ask, you say you "seriously don't like the CCM E holder, so tell us  exactly why? Please be specific.  I get so torqued when folks change holders for no real reason, and same folks when blindfolded couldn't tell what holder was on their skates.

The LS holder is a nice holder. The LS power holder is nothing special, just the LS holder made in a clear plastic, which didn't shrink, so they had to make longer steel to make up for lack of "shrinkage".

Have RBK 9K skates.

Skates have the E-Pro holder.

Hate them because blades come loose all the time, even with that screw tightener stuff you put in it to help the screw stay in place.

Not only that, the lightspeeds have a better rocker to them...and it's eaiser to profile the blades that go on them.

Other than that, it's just preference. SO what if people wanna change the holders. WE're not allowed to be as picky as the pros who all change their CCM holders to TUUK as well?

And what's this blah blah about shrinkage?

First off the LS2 Power is made of a totally diffrent material and is up to 50% stronger and 10% tortioanlly stiffer giving the player a better feel.

As for the Lightspped or Tuuk having a better profile and been better to profile that is totally incorrect.

The Bauer Products come with a 9" profile and the CCM/RBK have an 11" radius.

All that has to be done is reduce the profile to a 9" and then it would be the same feel as the Tuuk Plus.

That been said the CCM/RBK has anywhere from 3 to 5 32nds of an inch more steel so they are way easier to adjust as you can make more mistakes with out loosing to much steel.

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Let me check my holders....to see which is longer, etc...

The CCM holders feel like I'm skating on rails...the LS holder cuts better because I think there's less blade in length.

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Let me check my holders....to see which is longer, etc...

The CCM holders feel like I'm skating on rails...the LS holder cuts better because I think there's less blade in length.

The answer is in the above post.

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I see what you're saying. I guess I just don't enjoy tightening the blade all the time on the CCM's. SO that's why I switched to LS2 holders.

Had Vapor XXX's before, so that's what I was used to.

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The LS holder is a nice holder. The LS power holder is nothing special, just the LS holder made in a clear plastic, which didn't shrink, so they had to make longer steel to make up for lack of "shrinkage".

Can you document this statement regarding "shrinkage" as fact or is this conjecture? Many MSHers take your word as gospel so I am just curious how you know this to be true.

I wish I spoke gospel but I don't. As with everyone, we hear things from industry folks. Two seperate "insiders" who don't know each other told me that when the LS mold was used for the new material, the new material didn't shrink like the white plastic did, therefore the old LS steel would not fit int he new holder, hence the reason for the new LS power steel. If you have specific documentation that this is not true, then by all means post it. You don't actually think the manufacturer is going to tell it's force this type of info.

As for the LS power steel, after closer examination and reports from skaters, it's not all it's hyped up to be. While longer, no part of the longer part touches the ice. Don't believe me, then just get a 280 LS steel and a 280 LS power steel and overlap them. You'll see the extra length is in the far end of the heel. I took a pic but it wasn't fine enough resolution/lighting to get a good view.

If we are going to require "documentation", then it must be two ways.

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I see what you're saying. I guess I just don't enjoy tightening the blade all the time on the CCM's. SO that's why I switched to LS2 holders.

Had Vapor XXX's before, so that's what I was used to.

The fact that either Tuuk Cistom Plus and LS dont need to be tightened ever is a big mistake as well. Espically the Custom Plus you must check those ever couplke months as the vibration from stopping causes them to come loose as well.

There for I see your point but just because you cant see the bolts and or screws doesnt mean they dont come loose.

However what ever you like is what you wear totally customer preference but to say one is garbage because (not saying your saying that but so many do on here and other boards) they dont have the time on the job or that facts gets really annoying sometimes.

(sory rant)

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The LS holder is a nice holder. The LS power holder is nothing special, just the LS holder made in a clear plastic, which didn't shrink, so they had to make longer steel to make up for lack of "shrinkage".

Can you document this statement regarding "shrinkage" as fact or is this conjecture? Many MSHers take your word as gospel so I am just curious how you know this to be true.

I wish I spoke gospel but I don't. As with everyone, we hear things from industry folks. Two seperate "insiders" who don't know each other told me that when the LS mold was used for the new material, the new material didn't shrink like the white plastic did, therefore the old LS steel would not fit int he new holder, hence the reason for the new LS power steel. If you have specific documentation that this is not true, then by all means post it. You don't actually think the manufacturer is going to tell it's force this type of info.

As for the LS power steel, after closer examination and reports from skaters, it's not all it's hyped up to be. While longer, no part of the longer part touches the ice. Don't believe me, then just get a 280 LS steel and a 280 LS power steel and overlap them. You'll see the extra length is in the far end of the heel. I took a pic but it wasn't fine enough resolution/lighting to get a good view.

BTW, weren't you the first to post that the RBK/CCM goal skates had "major" problems with the new blade attachments. You could almost sense glee in your tone. Hmmm.

That is true, the mold allowed them to accommodate longer steel.

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http://www.modsquadhockey.com/index.php?ac...ndpost&p=319440

I like the way you deleted the goal skate comment from your post. Nice try. I reviewed what I wrote. That hardly seems like a five alarm "major" fire whistle. I don't "sense the glee in my tone." I was passing along information that I received first hand from CCM/RBK, not info from "insiders" who might have an axe to grind. Name your sources, if you want to stand behind or in front of what you say as true.

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This information came to me on 1/16/06 from NBH RD & D, Chris.

"We have nothing to hide.

As you are well aware, in R & D we experiment all the time. Molds are designed based on a specific material choice for dimensional purposes as each material have a different shrink %.

We tried several years ago to go up a one size holder for Supreme to optimize speed but on some sizes there was an overlap of holder to outsole so we could not go that route...however when we discovered that Lexan had an 0.5% shrinkage we measured the mold dimensions & found that it may work, which we prototyped & succeeded in fitting a slightly longer holder on all sizes.

Of course this meant that the regular Nylon holders steel dimensions would not fit anymore & we needed to design new steel dimensions.. so in short, no, this was not "just a cover up for their mistake" but a planned attempt to put a longer holder for the Supreme line."

I think this information speaks for itself regarding the LS2 Power holder/runner and its design process and function.

Are your "insiders" NBH people? I understand you do not have an NBH account. That would lead me to believe your "insiders" are not with NBH as you do not speak with an NBH salesperson for your shop on a regular basis. So, perhaps the "insiders" are on the outside when it comes to NBH product. Only you have the answer. Care to share?

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Ive got a pair of CCM vector 10's on the way, i seriously dont like the CCM e holder, i prefer the good old tuuk custom plus, but im thinking of going to the lightspeed holder, or even the new lightspeed 2 power holder (blue to match the blue piping on the skate)

The skate size is

US 10.5

EURO 44

UK 9.5

CM 27.7

Any idea of sizes?

Your V10 skate will have dfifferent size in EUR and CM for 10,5 I think

CM will be 29

Eur. will probably be 45

BTW, newer CCM skates are sized slightlydifferent than older CCM skates.

I havent got them yet, but that was the picture on the box!

PS the sizing was shoe sizing.

9 D Snr was also on the box.

Then you'll need 280 mm steel.

Size 9D in these days' CCMs comes with 280 mm steel.

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This information came to me on 1/16/06 from NBH RD & D, Chris.

"We have nothing to hide.

As you are well aware, in R & D we experiment all the time. Molds are designed based on a specific material choice for dimensional purposes as each material have a different shrink %.

We tried several years ago to go up a one size holder for Supreme to optimize speed but on some sizes there was an overlap of holder to outsole so we could not go that route...however when we discovered that Lexan had an 0.5% shrinkage we measured the mold dimensions & found that it may work, which we prototyped & succeeded in fitting a slightly longer holder on all sizes.

Of course this meant that the regular Nylon holders steel dimensions would not fit anymore & we needed to design new steel dimensions.. so in short, no, this was not "just a cover up for their mistake" but a planned attempt to put a longer holder for the Supreme line."

I think this information speaks for itself regarding the LS2 Power holder/runner and its design process and function.

Are your "insiders" NBH people? I understand you do not have an NBH account. That would lead me to believe your "insiders" are not with NBH as you do not speak with an NBH salesperson for your shop on a regular basis. So, perhaps the "insiders" are on the outside when it comes to NBH product. Only you have the answer. Care to share?

The "insiders" I got the info from do not work for any major manufacturer, instead they are in the hockey plastic and steel industry. Where they got the info, I don't know, but I do trust their professional opinion. The bottom line is, the LS power steel was the result of lack of shrinkage of the clear lexan. That was all I was saying, but more importantly, the LS power steel is still not a proven performance improvement. If it is, please provide independent lab tests and I'll gladly back off, but if all you have is marketing hype, then let the discussion roll on.

BTW, the topic has nothing to do with whether I have a direct Bauer account and who at Bauer is feeding who info. If I believed everything sales reps and companies say, I'd be out of business.

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Im worried that the skate wont fit me now.

The last 2 pair of easton skates were both size 288 holders!

Mmmmmm

LHS saves you from such problems.

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