One90 Transition and Skate Profiling

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

Thank you so much guys. That was bothering me, when I used to see him take a tight glide turn around a player or cone, he used to open wide on a turn but it  never looked right. I am going take your advice and  counter his skates to 11' radius and take it from there.

Hey how is the young guy doing with the correction in Profile?

From his first skate I noticed a diffrence. His maneuverabilty chanded for the better. He is able to fake around players, pull a spin-o-rama move without choppiness. Overall, turning in either direction seems more smooth and tighter ,

not as wide as before. His speed I din't notice diffence. Looks like my son had no troubles adjusting. Now do I need to change the lie on the blade to a foward picth or heel raise, or leave it be for a few months. If I do go with a foward profile which is better ? I guess heel rasing saves on the blade.

That depends on the amount of blade he has left. If it is an older blade then i would get new steel and reprofile them and add a heel lift.

What kind of skate is it again?

[Kovy_Ribs_Fedo 3]

If the kid is on a team at the rink, we schedule an appointment.  If not, we schedule an open skate and get a free pass from the front desk.

IF the guy is technical and says he wants a 11' +1, I'll give him that.  But then again most of your guys just get them because it is the "in" thing to do.  Those are the ones you have to work with.

I always liked the guys who want it exactly like their old skates. Then they whip out some mangled steel banana that has about half an inch of contact with the ice, and to top it all off they want a 3/8" hollow.

hahahaha, hilarious but it happens often I guess.

[Kovy_Ribs_Fedo 3]

im just tryin to point out whats wrong, maybe its not so much the skate.

I have to go with Yglod on this one. Sure, radius, hollow etc... will never be bad but skating is all about technique. Practice, practice and practice is the only way to improve, it's like stickhandling and shooting. If you don't practice, you won't be good whatever sticks you have.

[JR Boucicaut 3795]

...but just like a stick, you still need the right curve, lie and flex to optimize your technique. Same theory applies to skates.

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

im just tryin to point out whats wrong, maybe its not so much the skate.

I have to go with Yglod on this one. Sure, radius, hollow etc... will never be bad but skating is all about technique. Practice, practice and practice is the only way to improve, it's like stickhandling and shooting. If you don't practice, you won't be good whatever sticks you have.

you read this whole thread and came up with that comment? As said back on page 3 yes she needs work but given the best tools its easier to learn. As for the skate being correct for her it was hours upon hours of fitting and that was not the first choice more something to try for the heck of it.

Anyway your entitled to go with who you think is right on this.......but i am pretty sure I have a little more expierence with it.....

[Kovy_Ribs_Fedo 3]

im just tryin to point out whats wrong, maybe its not so much the skate.

I have to go with Yglod on this one. Sure, radius, hollow etc... will never be bad but skating is all about technique. Practice, practice and practice is the only way to improve, it's like stickhandling and shooting. If you don't practice, you won't be good whatever sticks you have.

you read this whole thread and came up with that comment? As said back on page 3 yes she needs work but given the best tools its easier to learn. As for the skate being correct for her it was hours upon hours of fitting and that was not the first choice more something to try for the heck of it.

Anyway your entitled to go with who you think is right on this.......but i am pretty sure I have a little more expierence with it.....

No we can see she's more confident after you've work on the skates. But what I mean is that you've just did a small but important part of the work. Being a great skater is more than just radius, heel lift etc...but what you did with her skates just seem great.

I would like to have a guy like your or JR in my area.

[hockeymom 2]

im just tryin to point out whats wrong, maybe its not so much the skate.

I have to go with Yglod on this one. Sure, radius, hollow etc... will never be bad but skating is all about technique. Practice, practice and practice is the only way to improve, it's like stickhandling and shooting. If you don't practice, you won't be good whatever sticks you have.

you read this whole thread and came up with that comment? As said back on page 3 yes she needs work but given the best tools its easier to learn. As for the skate being correct for her it was hours upon hours of fitting and that was not the first choice more something to try for the heck of it.

Anyway your entitled to go with who you think is right on this.......but i am pretty sure I have a little more expierence with it.....

I'll add a little bit to this. As stated earlier in the thread, she has had problems with correct technique as well as some bio-mechanical issues. This stems from not learning how to skate correctly in the first place and developing bad compensating habits.

For the last year and a half, she has intensely worked on tearing down her skating and relearning correct form. It has been a massive (and expensive) undertaking - with at least 100 hours of camps through each of the past 2 summers, weekly skating instruction, plus time on her own at stick and puck and pleasure skating. The AMOUNT of practice actually hasn't been the problem; this is a very focused kid who works very hard... and it will take "a million miles of sweaty unders" before she gets to where she wants her skating to be.

OTG was charged with the rather daunting task of getting this hard-to-fit kid into the right skate such that she had the best platform to continue to work on developing her skating.

In the roughly six weeks since she has had the profiled One90's I have seen more improvement in her skating than I have seen in the previous 6 months. The difference is the skate and the profile.

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

Ok got you .......well you see its not that hard I did most of that via a video so you dont have to be near me.....I would have tohave your skates the first time. Unless seeing you in your skates they look fine and its just your rocker that needed to be changed. With video and or a webcam wonders will never cease when it comes to skate fitting and or rockering!

[Bamzi 0]

Thank you so much guys. That was bothering me, when I used to see him take a tight glide turn around a player or cone, he used to open wide on a turn but it  never looked right. I am going take your advice and  counter his skates to 11' radius and take it from there.

Hey how is the young guy doing with the correction in Profile?

From his first skate I noticed a diffrence. His maneuverabilty chanded for the better. He is able to fake around players, pull a spin-o-rama move without choppiness. Overall, turning in either direction seems more smooth and tighter ,

not as wide as before. His speed I din't notice diffence. Looks like my son had no troubles adjusting. Now do I need to change the lie on the blade to a foward picth or heel raise, or leave it be for a few months. If I do go with a foward profile which is better ? I guess heel rasing saves on the blade.

That depends on the amount of blade he has left. If it is an older blade then i would get new steel and reprofile them and add a heel lift.

What kind of skate is it again?

One90 4 1/2 D

[jon93 0]

what would make me more on my toes?

a 9" or a 11"

whats the default on eastons?

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

Thank you so much guys. That was bothering me, when I used to see him take a tight glide turn around a player or cone, he used to open wide on a turn but it  never looked right. I am going take your advice and  counter his skates to 11' radius and take it from there.

Hey how is the young guy doing with the correction in Profile?

From his first skate I noticed a diffrence. His maneuverabilty chanded for the better. He is able to fake around players, pull a spin-o-rama move without choppiness. Overall, turning in either direction seems more smooth and tighter ,

not as wide as before. His speed I din't notice diffence. Looks like my son had no troubles adjusting. Now do I need to change the lie on the blade to a foward picth or heel raise, or leave it be for a few months. If I do go with a foward profile which is better ? I guess heel rasing saves on the blade.

That depends on the amount of blade he has left. If it is an older blade then i would get new steel and reprofile them and add a heel lift.

What kind of skate is it again?

One90 4 1/2 D

With out question there needs to be a heel lift you will notice a bif improvment with that!

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

Easton, has a 9ft radius and has a fair lean already but some people feelt hey need more. a 1/32 addtional should help!

[Bamzi 0]

Thank you so much guys. That was bothering me, when I used to see him take a tight glide turn around a player or cone, he used to open wide on a turn but it  never looked right. I am going take your advice and  counter his skates to 11' radius and take it from there.

Hey how is the young guy doing with the correction in Profile?

From his first skate I noticed a diffrence. His maneuverabilty chanded for the better. He is able to fake around players, pull a spin-o-rama move without choppiness. Overall, turning in either direction seems more smooth and tighter ,

not as wide as before. His speed I din't notice diffence. Looks like my son had no troubles adjusting. Now do I need to change the lie on the blade to a foward picth or heel raise, or leave it be for a few months. If I do go with a foward profile which is better ? I guess heel rasing saves on the blade.

That depends on the amount of blade he has left. If it is an older blade then i would get new steel and reprofile them and add a heel lift.

What kind of skate is it again?

One90 4 1/2 D

With out question there needs to be a heel lift you will notice a bif improvment with that!

I finally got him a heel raise, he did 2 sessions and from what I saw and the feedback I got from my son was positive. So from reducing 13' to 11' radius and getting a heel raise I saw a great improvement in agility and quick starts.

My son and I thank you all for helping us out.

[Storm 0]

Just curious but if I were to go from my Graf to One90 skates how much lift do I need in order to match the pitch of my Grafs?

They're great people but don't do profiles at my lhs and as you can tell from some of the questions I've been asking on this board they're not the most technically savvy.

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

Just curious but if I were to go from my Graf to One90 skates how much lift do I need in order to match the pitch of my Grafs?

They're great people but don't do profiles at my lhs and as you can tell from some of the questions I've been asking on this board they're not the most technically savvy.

you would need 2/32nds of an inch to match your grafs. You need it to be a 4.5% Pitch and that should get you there.

[Storm 0]

Thank-you OTG

[yvan12 0]

Thank you so much guys. That was bothering me, when I used to see him take a tight glide turn around a player or cone, he used to open wide on a turn but it  never looked right. I am going take your advice and  counter his skates to 11' radius and take it from there.

Hey how is the young guy doing with the correction in Profile?

From his first skate I noticed a diffrence. His maneuverabilty chanded for the better. He is able to fake around players, pull a spin-o-rama move without choppiness. Overall, turning in either direction seems more smooth and tighter ,

not as wide as before. His speed I din't notice diffence. Looks like my son had no troubles adjusting. Now do I need to change the lie on the blade to a foward picth or heel raise, or leave it be for a few months. If I do go with a foward profile which is better ? I guess heel rasing saves on the blade.

That depends on the amount of blade he has left. If it is an older blade then i would get new steel and reprofile them and add a heel lift.

What kind of skate is it again?

One90 4 1/2 D

With out question there needs to be a heel lift you will notice a bif improvment with that!

I finally got him a heel raise, he did 2 sessions and from what I saw and the feedback I got from my son was positive. So from reducing 13' to 11' radius and getting a heel raise I saw a great improvement in agility and quick starts.

My son and I thank you all for helping us out.

An autographed Rookie Card will be all the thanks necessary :) . You are very welcome, and best of luck to your son in the game. OTG did a hell of a lot more that I did, but it was nice to help. I think OTG might want a chunk of his signing bonus LOL

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

Nah just free tickets when he is in town!

[BillyNoop 0]

Interesting thread thanks all. I'm having a similar experience with the one90's I just picked up. In general, they feel great. Very light, stiff, responsive. However, I've skated on them about 3 times now and I still have a lot of trouble that I feel a little off balance in them. I can't tell if I'm still in the process of getting used to them vs my XX's, but it feels like I keep losing my balance forward slightly. I'd describe it like feeling like the blade is a little too short in the front so when my weight is on the balls of my feet it's hard to keep my balance.

Basically, what I'm experiencing is that I have to focus on skating with my weight more on my heels to be balanced on the blade properly. Where on my XX's I feel like my weight is on the balls of my feet. If I try to skate with my weight on the balls of my feet in my one90's I have a hard time fighting to keep from losing my balance forward a little. It's not like I'm falling down, but when doing really fine things like quick cuts, stops, turns, etc there's enough of a noticeable loss of balance there to throw everything off slightly. Free skating by myself I don't notice much problem but once I played in a couple of games and really had to push myself to make fine, quick moves it becomes very noticeable (and frustrating! lol).

I went from 10 XX's to 9.5 one90's so if you guys know anything about the differences between the two that may contribute to this, let me know.

Thanks!

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

What holder size are on both of those did you happen to go from a 288 to a 280?

[cobrAA 0]

my teammate who had xxx switched to the one90 2 week ago. and no joke he REALLY SKATE faster, his stride are more powerful.

I'm the fastest guy in my team, but now that he switch to one90, i swear, he offer me a really really good challenge.

i'm starting to be a believer but i'm not starting to be rich, so i will pass the deal at 1000$cnd a pair!

[BillyNoop 0]

What holder size are on both of those did you happen to go from a 288 to a 280?

Yes, the holders on the one90's are 280's and the XX's are 288's.

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

What holder size are on both of those did you happen to go from a 288 to a 280?

Yes, the holders on the one90's are 280's and the XX's are 288's.

Well that solves part of the problem. You really are falling forward then... We need to put an 11ft radius on your skates with a forward lean to get you feeling like you did in your old skates.

[BillyNoop 0]

What holder size are on both of those did you happen to go from a 288 to a 280?

Yes, the holders on the one90's are 280's and the XX's are 288's.

Well that solves part of the problem. You really are falling forward then... We need to put an 11ft radius on your skates with a forward lean to get you feeling like you did in your old skates.

I'll take them by the LHS tomorrow. There's a guy there who's been doing skates for 13 years or something and he comes highly recommended from players I've played with. I'll see what he can do. Anything in particular I should tell him or should explaining the problem and telling him the 11' forward lean recommendation suffice?

Thanks

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

What holder size are on both of those did you happen to go from a 288 to a 280?

Yes, the holders on the one90's are 280's and the XX's are 288's.

Well that solves part of the problem. You really are falling forward then... We need to put an 11ft radius on your skates with a forward lean to get you feeling like you did in your old skates.

I'll take them by the LHS tomorrow. There's a guy there who's been doing skates for 13 years or something and he comes highly recommended from players I've played with. I'll see what he can do. Anything in particular I should tell him or should explaining the problem and telling him the 11' forward lean recommendation suffice?

Thanks

You can try explaining it but some guys that have been doing skates for a while tend to do things THERE WAY and not what the customer wants. I would point out to him all the facts you have here diffrent holder size the fact you feel your falling forward a little but do not let him put a reverse lean on the skates to correct this it will only hamper you more. Ask if he wouldnt mind letting you try a 11ft neutral or a slight forward lean and see how it goes.

Do you know what method of profiling he uses?