Brodeur quits competition committee, Turco expected to

[Allsmokenopancake 0]

Well, at least he got Ovechkins visor banned, hurrah

Saying the NHL is not doing enough to protect its goaltenders, New Jersey's Martin Brodeur abruptly resigned from the league's competition committee, the Toronto Star reported on Wednesday.

"I just don't want that responsibility any more," Brodeur told The Star. "I thought I would be able to make a difference, but I guess I was wrong."

Brodeur, a three-time winner of the Vezina Trophy, was brought on the committee 18 months ago for, among other reasons, giving the five-player group at least one goalie's voice. But Brodeur told The Star that his ideas have been ignored.

"I didn't feel I was making a difference, and I hate wasting my time when it doesn't seem to matter," he told the newspaper. "I brought up a lot of different points, suggested different ideas like a bigger crease, but nothing's changed. The protection of goaltenders has just become ridiculous.

"It's hard when nothing's improving and your name is associated with it. I didn't want to live with that."

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[RadioGaGa 162]

To quote Homer Simpson:

"You tried and you failed. The moral of the story is...don't try!"

That committee has been in place for, what, 2 years? You'd think he'd stick with it a little longer than that before throwing in the towel.

[wickedwrister 0]

nm

[Chadd 916]

Please don't tell me I'm the only one who actually sides with him. Goalies are getting run more often and harder than any time I can remember.

[LkptTiger 1]

I see where you're coming from, Chadd...but, on the same token, goalies are coming out harder and farther than before. They're putting themselves closer and closer to the play - its inevitable that there is going to be contact. There does seem to be more "disregard," though.

BUT, I do give him props for bangin' his wife's sister and still keeping his wife :o

It was his wife's brother's wife...and Melanie left him (and has since gotten into the practice of calling Marty before games to tell him all about her recent "single life" experiences).

[Chadd 916]

I'm a firm believer in allowing contact outside the crease, but that doesn't mean players should be allowed to barrel into goalies at full speed while they're in the paint.

[LkptTiger 1]

Agreed; you're absolutely right. All I am trying to say is that the increase in player/goalie contact could be partially attributed to the fact that goalies are coming-out further away from their cages (well beyond the top of the crease in many cases) than in years past.

[RadioGaGa 162]

Please don't tell me I'm the only one who actually sides with him. Goalies are getting run more often and harder than any time I can remember.

I agree that goalies are getting run in the crease too often (I also think if they venture out they should be fair game)...I just think he shouldn't have quit the committee so soon.

It's like...."it didn't go my way...so I'm taking my ball and my bat, and I'm going home"

[Allsmokenopancake 0]

Olie Kolzig, who, as one of the only names recognisable to casual fans in hockey here in DC, gets interviewed a lot, says it's ridiculous.

He said it's one thing to make pads smaller, equipment smaller etc, so long as it's still safe, he has no problem with it, but guys are storming the crease because they know the D can't clear out like they used to, and thats why so many goalies are getting run, there is no respect in front of the net anymore, smaller players come in and dive, D gets called for hooking, they run the goalie, and it's part of the "new NHL"

He has got steamed about it a few times

[sabre09923 0]

I agree, the inability to clear the front of the net out is hurting the goalies as well, when they're in the paint. In quite a few games I've watched, though, the D were able to do what they had to do to get guys out of the slot by pushing them around, jabs to the back, etc. and in others, they haven't been able to. The problem is the inconsistent reffing, but so players are not going to take the risk of getting a penalty , so they leave guys in front of the net, there's nothing they can do about it. As a D-Man it's tough when you're restricted, I regularly resort to crosschecks to the back to let the opposing forwards know I'm there. If you leave them there, without any consequences, what results is either a goal or some bonehead decides to run your goalie.

[Chadd 916]

I agree, the inability to clear the front of the net out is hurting the goalies as well, when they're in the paint. In quite a few games I've watched, though, the D were able to do what they had to do to get guys out of the slot by pushing them around, jabs to the back, etc. and in others, they haven't been able to. The problem is the inconsistent reffing, but so players are not going to take the risk of getting a penalty , so they leave guys in front of the net, there's nothing they can do about it. As a D-Man it's tough when you're restricted, I regularly resort to crosschecks to the back to let the opposing forwards know I'm there. If you leave them there, without any consequences, what results is either a goal or some bonehead decides to run your goalie.

It's not that hard to move guys without crosschecking. Play a little basketball if you want to learn how to handle a guy down low.

[sabre09923 0]

I know, I know. The point I'm making is that there needs to be some type of punishment when they're parked in front of your net. The worst part is when there's this guy twice your size who won't budge that's standing on top of your goalie (hyperbole here, of course). That's when you really have to resort to the crosschecks and jabs. Believe me, I'd rather have a shifty, small forward dancing in front of my net than one of those guys, the former are much easier to control with your body positioning since they move so much, so you can kind of funnel them into less harmful areas (Ie: the corners).

[top 0]

Goalies are way more protected then a player, if they wanna come out and play chicken with a player, to see who will get the puck first, I think that there's nothing wrong with him getting run over. The ball here can fall on both sides of the fence, either people will be for or against goalies getting run over, but both situations have there pro's and con's.

[Allsmokenopancake 0]

Goalies are way more protected then a player, if they wanna come out and play chicken with a player, to see who will get the puck first, I think that there's nothing wrong with him getting run over. The ball here can fall on both sides of the fence, either people will be for or against goalies getting run over, but both situations have there pro's and con's.

When you have a guy coming full speed at you, and you are standing still, his momentum is going to knock you over/into a post.

They wear more pads, but that does not mean they are more protected

[TBLfan 25]

The padding is to protect from blows from a puck, not a hockey check. If you get run, often your head might hit the ice... a goalie's backplate will not protect your head much, it's basically there just to keep the helmet on. There is a "forward" mentality that just hates to think that goalies aren't weird, derranged and whiney. If you had to deal with what goalies have to deal with, you'd understand.

Just for a small example, how about you put a goalie catcher on and I'll whack the back of your hand with my stick.

[Chadd 916]

The padding is to protect from blows from a puck, not a hockey check. If you get run, often your head might hit the ice... a goalie's backplate will not protect your head much, it's basically there just to keep the helmet on. There is a "forward" mentality that just hates to think that goalies aren't weird, derranged and whiney. If you had to deal with what goalies have to deal with, you'd understand.

Just for a small example, how about you put a goalie catcher on and I'll whack the back of your hand with my stick.

Goalies are weird, deranged and whine too much but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be properly protected. If they want to play the puck outside of the privilege area, incidental contact should be permitted. At no point should they be permitted to check anyone, or vice versa.

[Wolfpack_1986 154]

LOL well put.

[thorpedo26 0]

goalies complain more and more every day in my league. i used to be a goalie so i know what they go through wich isnt really as much as they make it to be.

only time i could see hitting a goalie is when they try to cover it far away from there crease. but messin with there glove tryin to get the puck loose is part of the game now. keep tryin till until the whistle blows. may have been a little off topic but thought id throw it in here

[hunterphfr 12]

While I think goalies should be fair game once they venture out of the crease, this leads to whole new series of problems. In box lacrosse the goaly can be used as an extra attack man and venture out of the net quite often. They unlike hockey goalies are not protected from contact once out of the crease. The problem is given the mentality of hockey and lacrosse players guy hits goaly, then goaly's team gets guy that hit goaly, guys team gets other guy and free for all ensues. With fighting being the red headed step child of the NHL you'll never see contact allowed on goalies once they venture out of the crease.

[TBLfan 25]

The padding is to protect from blows from a puck, not a hockey check. If you get run, often your head might hit the ice... a goalie's backplate will not protect your head much, it's basically there just to keep the helmet on. There is a "forward" mentality that just hates to think that goalies aren't weird, derranged and whiney. If you had to deal with what goalies have to deal with, you'd understand.

Just for a small example, how about you put a goalie catcher on and I'll whack the back of your hand with my stick.

Goalies are weird, deranged and whine too much but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be properly protected. If they want to play the puck outside of the privilege area, incidental contact should be permitted. At no point should they be permitted to check anyone, or vice versa.

Oh I agree 100%, the crease is the goalies home. He has no right to slash away or do as he pleases but he should be somewhat protected but if he goes out of the crease incidental contact shouldn't be a penalty, of course no checking.

Especially now, the butterfly has never been soo popular and it's a very precarious position and to get run when you're in the butterfly you can easily damage a knee badly. I've known people that have blown out their groins because they got run, one that have had their hand broken from slashes and one that has been knocked out because he got run(actually had intracerebral hemorrhage which is bleeding in his brain).

[technophile 0]

Goalies are way more protected then a player, if they wanna come out and play chicken with a player, to see who will get the puck first, I think that there's nothing wrong with him getting run over. The ball here can fall on both sides of the fence, either people will be for or against goalies getting run over, but both situations have there pro's and con's.

Last season my goalie came out after a puck, beat the forward to it cleanly, and got run over because the guy couldn't be bothered to slow down/turn. Goalie ended up with a separated shoulder; guy who ran him didn't even get bruised. Mind you, this was a collision where both of them knew it was coming and out in open ice.

Goalies wear a lot more pads, but there's just no comparison as far as who's more vulnerable out there. Yeah, some contact is inevitable (and no problem), but when you have guys who feel free to just barrel into a goalie, that is a problem.

[flashgordon 0]

It's like...."it didn't go my way...so I'm taking my ball and my bat, and I'm going home"

Yes, but sometimes it takes a move like this from someone of his stature to actually bring about change - ie give the league a black eye and cause people to sit up and take notice. He no doubt knew he'd take flak for leaving, but did it anyways. I obviously don't know him, but he doesn't seem to me to be the quitting type.