ONE95 vs S15 - Puck Impact Tests

[5minutesforfighting 0]

Found this on the internet, and thought it was pretty interesting. Not sure if I'm breaking the rules anywhere, but I'll wait and see.

Here's the link - http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=zad30pLX88g

[tips09 0]

Holly smokes looks like the one 95's are definately going to be a stiff boot.

[5minutesforfighting 0]

Yeah, there's so many variables when it comes to this kind of testing, and the fact that there's no site that shows where the puck hit, how fast it was going, and from how far away it was shot, kinda sucks.

[mew1838 0]

One95s aren't even out yet, must be NBH doing this test, take it with a pinch of salt.

[tips09 0]

yea they could easily just be trying to make the one 95's look alot better so as you said many things could come into play when doing an experiment like that

[jimmy 194]

One95s aren't even out yet, must be NBH doing this test, take it with a pinch of salt.

Not to mention the S-15 will not be Eastons top skate next year, so what's the reason for the comparison. Of course the lightest skate will react different to a puck than a much heavier skate. What is the video trying to illustrate?

I do however like to see these kind of tests, instead of some dufus strapping them on and saying they "feel" better. If whomever is testing these skates wants to to prove the 195 is stiffer, stronger, then that's a valid point. But, in this test they're testing apples and oranges.

[A2rhino 77]

As stated earlier the One95 should be a pretty stiff boot. But come on, can you truly have both to such an extreme. Maybe the One95 will be a great skate for a defence men blocking shots where the S15 still has a place with the forwards who want a more protective skate that is still extremely light and at the same time agile. Just my opinion.

BTW; I love these tests as well.

[dalebert 8]

It also looks like the S15 has been worn and is tied alot tighter too, they could have heated the s15 making it softer i could be wrong, I'm no expert I didn't conduct the test.

[James 0]

Yeah, there's so many variables when it comes to this kind of testing, and the fact that there's no site that shows where the puck hit, how fast it was going, and from how far away it was shot, kinda sucks.

If you read the whole description, it says puck was shot at about 80MPH.

[bazli21 1]

is it really that good to have a boot that doesn't flex to the shot? i may be wrong but isn't it just like how a car has to have the crumple zone to absorb impact, if it doesn't all the force goes to the driver.. so if the one95 doesn't flex does it mean that all the force goes into the foot?

just got my s15 yesterday haha so could just be in denial

[TBLfan 25]

I really wouldn't want my $500 skates to "crumple" on a hard impact.

[Chadd 916]

is it really that good to have a boot that doesn't flex to the shot? i may be wrong but isn't it just like how a car has to have the crumple zone to absorb impact, if it doesn't all the force goes to the driver.. so if the one95 doesn't flex does it mean that all the force goes into the foot?

just got my s15 yesterday haha so could just be in denial

Short answer, no.

The only way that having a boot with torsional stiffness like the one95 could be a bad thing is if it also prevents adequate forward flex in your stride.

Unlike with your car example, the twisting of the skate is impact force that will be transmitted through the boot and into your foot.

[RadioGaGa 162]

My ankles had sympathy pains just watching that.

[bazli21 1]

hahaha yea of course not..

ok maybe another way to look at it is, how if you get hit by a tennis ball it's a lot less painful than getting hit by a baseball because the tennis ball flexes and some of the energy goes into this flex?

[Hudson14 0]

this might be a bad mindset but, if its good enough for the pros then its good enough for me, both skates will have ups and downs, but i am impressed with the difference in flex, i have the s15 and havent experieced a large amount of pain but still some, it looks like you could take a bullet with the 195's. But my s15's are pretty stiff and i cannot lace up the top, so i woder if the 195 are gonna be uber stiff, or maybe its just some new pad that is super awesome?

[Chadd 916]

hahaha yea of course not..

ok maybe another way to look at it is, how if you get hit by a tennis ball it's a lot less painful than getting hit by a baseball because the tennis ball flexes and some of the energy goes into this flex?

Again, completely unrelated. You're getting hit by a hard rubber puck.

[bazli21 1]

hahaha yea of course not..

ok maybe another way to look at it is, how if you get hit by a tennis ball it's a lot less painful than getting hit by a baseball because the tennis ball flexes and some of the energy goes into this flex?

Again, completely unrelated. You're getting hit by a hard rubber puck.

yeah maybe ur right..

but i still can't see where the energy goes.. just like how skate makers say they make outsoles really stiff for better energy transfer to the ice, if the boot is stiff doesn't that make it better for energy transfer to the foot?

[pat_roy 0]

and for another thing your foot would be in the boot so the impact wouldnt be as bad

[Chadd 916]

hahaha yea of course not..

ok maybe another way to look at it is, how if you get hit by a tennis ball it's a lot less painful than getting hit by a baseball because the tennis ball flexes and some of the energy goes into this flex?

Again, completely unrelated. You're getting hit by a hard rubber puck.

yeah maybe ur right..

but i still can't see where the energy goes.. just like how skate makers say they make outsoles really stiff for better energy transfer to the ice, if the boot is stiff doesn't that make it better for energy transfer to the foot?

One would logically assume the impact is dispersed throughout the boot due to the structural rigidity.

[bazli21 1]

One would logically assume the impact is dispersed throughout the boot due to the structural rigidity.

hmmm.. as an engineer i wouldn't logically assume that.. but i think we can all agree that this test doesn't really prove much in terms of protection.. it only proves that the one95 is stiff..

i think there has to be some sort of foot model with sensors (a crash dummy foot) to have any conclusive information on how much energy is transferred to the foot..

[DarkStar50 680]

Just to clarify a few things. The Easton S15 will continue to be Easton's top skate for 2008. The Easton SE16 will be their top skate in their new comfort family. The SE16 will sell at retail for less than the S15.

Whoever released the video has access to NBH product info. NBH did produce this video. I saw this in October at the sales meeting. So, you can take it with a grain of salt, if you like, but while some may say apples to oranges, the video shows the effect of a puck hitting what could be your skate. So, whether you wear apples or oranges, be prepared for the results as shown by the video.

The video obviously shows the torsional rigidity of the two boots. The amount of energy transferred through the boot by the impact of the puck is the purpose. The ONE95 boot has added a thicker layer of interior foam to the boot than was in the ONE90. Certainly this also helps to absorb the energy transfer of the puck.

[mew1838 0]

hahaha no one caught the major flaw here. The puck hit the skates at different spots. Look at where the two pucks ended up at at the end.

[Chadd 916]

hahaha no one caught the major flaw here. The puck hit the skates at different spots. Look at where the two pucks ended up at at the end.

Or the one skate gave way more than the other and the puck ended up in a diiferent location because of that.

[DarkStar50 680]

Watch it again. The puck does hit in the same spot on the boots. Where the puck ends after hitting the boot is a reflection of the difference in the boots.

[Keith 0]

I'd like to see them do that to a Kor. I wear shift 1 and I have developed the horrible habit of sometimes using my feet to block pucks if I have no other recourse. They are that rigid in the unibase... Conversely, When I had my pureflys, I would bitch whenever guys threw passes into my skates since everything got transferred to my feet in those.