Cullen hit

[#96 0]

I'm watching the Ranger pre-game show and Dave Maloney just brought up a good point about the hit. I know Maloney is drunk 90% of the time, it's still a good point.

He said Scott Stevens made a career of hits just like that, so why should Orr be suspended for a hard hit. I have to agree. As much as I hate Scott Stevens for hits just like that, and they were high, they weren't penalized. People refer to him as a hard hitter, not a dirty one. So what was wrong with Orr's?

[TBLfan 25]

I don't think the comparision needs to be made. It's not all-in-all, it's a single hit that is being discussed. While it is a good point, it is a moot point.

I'd be willing to bet that if you show that hit to 100 random hockey players and officials, half say it's clean, half will say he went high.

[mrusse01 0]

He said Scott Stevens made a career of hits just like that, so why should Orr be suspended for a hard hit. I have to agree. As much as I hate Scott Stevens for hits just like that, and they were high, they weren't penalized. People refer to him as a hard hitter, not a dirty one. So what was wrong with Orr's?

The answer is because the game and rules have changed since Scott Stevens was in his hitting heyday.

If this play happened in 1996 no way in hell that is a penalty.

[Chadd 916]

I'm watching the Ranger pre-game show and Dave Maloney just brought up a good point about the hit. I know Maloney is drunk 90% of the time, it's still a good point.

He said Scott Stevens made a career of hits just like that, so why should Orr be suspended for a hard hit. I have to agree. As much as I hate Scott Stevens for hits just like that, and they were high, they weren't penalized. People refer to him as a hard hitter, not a dirty one. So what was wrong with Orr's?

Stevens was a headhunter who tried to kill opposing players, using him to justify any hit invalidates any logical points that may follow. I don't think Orr's hit was anywhere near as bad as at least a dozen of Steven's hits and using Stevens career as a defense is utterly moronic.

The NHL has no policy on headshots therefore there is no suspension and some people will even debate that this was a headshot. Given Colin Campbell's history, there was no way Orr was ever going to be suspended and I knew that from the moment I saw the hit.

[DarkStar50 679]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12302007/sport...ill__150430.htm

[#96 0]

I'm watching the Ranger pre-game show and Dave Maloney just brought up a good point about the hit. I know Maloney is drunk 90% of the time, it's still a good point.

He said Scott Stevens made a career of hits just like that, so why should Orr be suspended for a hard hit. I have to agree. As much as I hate Scott Stevens for hits just like that, and they were high, they weren't penalized. People refer to him as a hard hitter, not a dirty one. So what was wrong with Orr's?

Stevens was a headhunter who tried to kill opposing players, using him to justify any hit invalidates any logical points that may follow. I don't think Orr's hit was anywhere near as bad as at least a dozen of Steven's hits and using Stevens career as a defense is utterly moronic.

The NHL has no policy on headshots therefore there is no suspension and some people will even debate that this was a headshot. Given Colin Campbell's history, there was no way Orr was ever going to be suspended and I knew that from the moment I saw the hit.

I agree with you, but many in hockey consider him to be one of best open-ice, hardest hitters in hockey. Which is exactly what the Orr hit was. So I think the point is completely valid, when you take that side of it.

But you when take the side that Stevens was just a headhunter, then the comparison to Orr is isn't as strong.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12302007/sport...ill__150430.htm

Good column. Our game is going to be a watered down, shadow of its former self before the Liberals and this Bettman administration are done screwing everything up.

[Wolfpack_1986 154]

you think that hitt Orr laid out was one of the best open ice hits? You might want to get your head examined. it was straight up ugly.

[chippa13 1844]

I'm watching the Ranger pre-game show and Dave Maloney just brought up a good point about the hit. I know Maloney is drunk 90% of the time, it's still a good point.

He said Scott Stevens made a career of hits just like that, so why should Orr be suspended for a hard hit. I have to agree. As much as I hate Scott Stevens for hits just like that, and they were high, they weren't penalized. People refer to him as a hard hitter, not a dirty one. So what was wrong with Orr's?

Stevens was a headhunter who tried to kill opposing players, using him to justify any hit invalidates any logical points that may follow. I don't think Orr's hit was anywhere near as bad as at least a dozen of Steven's hits and using Stevens career as a defense is utterly moronic.

The NHL has no policy on headshots therefore there is no suspension and some people will even debate that this was a headshot. Given Colin Campbell's history, there was no way Orr was ever going to be suspended and I knew that from the moment I saw the hit.

I agree with you, but many in hockey consider him to be one of best open-ice, hardest hitters in hockey. Which is exactly what the Orr hit was. So I think the point is completely valid, when you take that side of it.

But you when take the side that Stevens was just a headhunter, then the comparison to Orr is isn't as strong.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12302007/sport...ill__150430.htm

Good column. Our game is going to be a watered down, shadow of its former self before the Liberals and this Bettman administration are done screwing everything up.

You're right, we're much better off when talents like LaFontaine, Alison, Lindros, et al are forced out of the game from head injuries. Yeah, that is great for the game. I, for one, can't wait to see a league chock full of Colton Orr's because they've concussed everyone else into retirement. Turn off the homerism, it is getting pathetic.

[DarkStar50 679]

Keep your head up and your career will last longer. Lindros played the game as the most talented player with his size who never learned to keep his head up playing before he got to the NHL. He could always use his size to bull through smaller players. That didn't work in the NHL. Maybe in Oshawa but not in the NHL.

NFL players get concussions and look at the helmets they wear. Hockey players put their head at risk every game. They are all part of the NHLPA but they sure don't act like a brotherhood on the ice towards one another.

[kosydar 0]

I'm watching the Ranger pre-game show and Dave Maloney just brought up a good point about the hit. I know Maloney is drunk 90% of the time, it's still a good point.

He said Scott Stevens made a career of hits just like that, so why should Orr be suspended for a hard hit. I have to agree. As much as I hate Scott Stevens for hits just like that, and they were high, they weren't penalized. People refer to him as a hard hitter, not a dirty one. So what was wrong with Orr's?

Stevens was a headhunter who tried to kill opposing players, using him to justify any hit invalidates any logical points that may follow. I don't think Orr's hit was anywhere near as bad as at least a dozen of Steven's hits and using Stevens career as a defense is utterly moronic.

The NHL has no policy on headshots therefore there is no suspension and some people will even debate that this was a headshot. Given Colin Campbell's history, there was no way Orr was ever going to be suspended and I knew that from the moment I saw the hit.

I agree with you, but many in hockey consider him to be one of best open-ice, hardest hitters in hockey. Which is exactly what the Orr hit was. So I think the point is completely valid, when you take that side of it.

But you when take the side that Stevens was just a headhunter, then the comparison to Orr is isn't as strong.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12302007/sport...ill__150430.htm

Good column. Our game is going to be a watered down, shadow of its former self before the Liberals and this Bettman administration are done screwing everything up.

You're right, we're much better off when talents like LaFontaine, Alison, Lindros, et al are forced out of the game from head injuries. Yeah, that is great for the game. I, for one, can't wait to see a league chock full of Colton Orr's because they've concussed everyone else into retirement. Turn off the homerism, it is getting pathetic.

Allison was too slow for the new NHL. He was brutal after the lockout. I don't doubt his concussion hurt him, but he wasn't going to be the player he was pre-lockout.

[Chadd 916]

Almost every one of the concussions Lindros had came from completely clean hits.

[Theo 1]

Almost every one of the concussions Lindros had came from completely clean hits.

And from him having his head down looking at the puck.

My name is Bauer88 on other forums- The respect I have for Lindros. But he has no one to blame but himself for most if not all of those concussions. The same holds true for Cullen. Hopefully he learns from it because I like him a great deal as well.

You can't go through center ice at 15-20MPH with your head down. One of the most fundamental lessons you learn when you start hockey at a competitive level is keeping you head up- especially when you cut through the middle.

Your sarcasm is always a joy to read, Chippa, but quite a few teams have use of an enforcer and the role is here to stay. Yes, generally teams only need 1, not 20 or so.

[Chadd 916]

Your sarcasm is always a joy to read, Chippa, but quite a few teams have use of an enforcer and the role is here to stay. Yes, generally teams only need 1, not 20 or so.

It's not the enforcers, enforcers fight to protect their teammates. It's the guys who try to kill guys on other teams and they're often the guys who won't fight after knocking someone out. The Rangers have more of those guys than most teams, but at least Avery can play and Orr is willing to fight.

[#96 0]

I'm watching the Ranger pre-game show and Dave Maloney just brought up a good point about the hit. I know Maloney is drunk 90% of the time, it's still a good point.

He said Scott Stevens made a career of hits just like that, so why should Orr be suspended for a hard hit. I have to agree. As much as I hate Scott Stevens for hits just like that, and they were high, they weren't penalized. People refer to him as a hard hitter, not a dirty one. So what was wrong with Orr's?

Stevens was a headhunter who tried to kill opposing players, using him to justify any hit invalidates any logical points that may follow. I don't think Orr's hit was anywhere near as bad as at least a dozen of Steven's hits and using Stevens career as a defense is utterly moronic.

The NHL has no policy on headshots therefore there is no suspension and some people will even debate that this was a headshot. Given Colin Campbell's history, there was no way Orr was ever going to be suspended and I knew that from the moment I saw the hit.

I agree with you, but many in hockey consider him to be one of best open-ice, hardest hitters in hockey. Which is exactly what the Orr hit was. So I think the point is completely valid, when you take that side of it.

But you when take the side that Stevens was just a headhunter, then the comparison to Orr is isn't as strong.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12302007/sport...ill__150430.htm

Good column. Our game is going to be a watered down, shadow of its former self before the Liberals and this Bettman administration are done screwing everything up.

You're right, we're much better off when talents like LaFontaine, Alison, Lindros, et al are forced out of the game from head injuries. Yeah, that is great for the game. I, for one, can't wait to see a league chock full of Colton Orr's because they've concussed everyone else into retirement. Turn off the homerism, it is getting pathetic.

I don't like high hits. But as DarkStar pointed out, if you don't like getting hit, don't play the game. Maybe waterpolo is more your speed. Just a suggestion.

[chippa13 1844]

Keep your head up and your career will last longer. Lindros played the game as the most talented player with his size who never learned to keep his head up playing before he got to the NHL. He could always use his size to bull through smaller players. That didn't work in the NHL. Maybe in Oshawa but not in the NHL.

NFL players get concussions and look at the helmets they wear. Hockey players put their head at risk every game. They are all part of the NHLPA but they sure don't act like a brotherhood on the ice towards one another.

If the NFL can work towards legislating head shots out of the game then why can't the NHL?

[chippa13 1844]

I'm watching the Ranger pre-game show and Dave Maloney just brought up a good point about the hit. I know Maloney is drunk 90% of the time, it's still a good point.

He said Scott Stevens made a career of hits just like that, so why should Orr be suspended for a hard hit. I have to agree. As much as I hate Scott Stevens for hits just like that, and they were high, they weren't penalized. People refer to him as a hard hitter, not a dirty one. So what was wrong with Orr's?

Stevens was a headhunter who tried to kill opposing players, using him to justify any hit invalidates any logical points that may follow. I don't think Orr's hit was anywhere near as bad as at least a dozen of Steven's hits and using Stevens career as a defense is utterly moronic.

The NHL has no policy on headshots therefore there is no suspension and some people will even debate that this was a headshot. Given Colin Campbell's history, there was no way Orr was ever going to be suspended and I knew that from the moment I saw the hit.

I agree with you, but many in hockey consider him to be one of best open-ice, hardest hitters in hockey. Which is exactly what the Orr hit was. So I think the point is completely valid, when you take that side of it.

But you when take the side that Stevens was just a headhunter, then the comparison to Orr is isn't as strong.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12302007/sport...ill__150430.htm

Good column. Our game is going to be a watered down, shadow of its former self before the Liberals and this Bettman administration are done screwing everything up.

You're right, we're much better off when talents like LaFontaine, Alison, Lindros, et al are forced out of the game from head injuries. Yeah, that is great for the game. I, for one, can't wait to see a league chock full of Colton Orr's because they've concussed everyone else into retirement. Turn off the homerism, it is getting pathetic.

Allison was too slow for the new NHL. He was brutal after the lockout. I don't doubt his concussion hurt him, but he wasn't going to be the player he was pre-lockout.

Allison was never a great skater, but when you checked the scoresheet after the game he always had his points. His year in TO he was at almost a point a game (60 pts in 60 games). Not too shabby.

[Leafsrok 0]

If the NFL can work towards legislating head shots out of the game then why can't the NHL?

good point, but in hockey you arent allowed to grab someone by the legs and haul them down, in football you can. in hockey you have to throw a check with your shoulder and if youre bigger than someone or they have their head down, theres nothing you can do to prevent your shoulder from going into their head.

[mrusse01 0]

If the NFL can work towards legislating head shots out of the game then why can't the NHL?

good point, but in hockey you arent allowed to grab someone by the legs and haul them down, in football you can. in hockey you have to throw a check with your shoulder and if youre bigger than someone or they have their head down, theres nothing you can do to prevent your shoulder from going into their head.

Excellent point.

[chippa13 1844]

If the NFL can work towards legislating head shots out of the game then why can't the NHL?

good point, but in hockey you arent allowed to grab someone by the legs and haul them down, in football you can. in hockey you have to throw a check with your shoulder and if youre bigger than someone or they have their head down, theres nothing you can do to prevent your shoulder from going into their head.

Sure there is, it is called respect for your opponent. You don't have to kill the guy full speed to knock him off of the puck.

[Leafsrok 0]

If the NFL can work towards legislating head shots out of the game then why can't the NHL?

good point, but in hockey you arent allowed to grab someone by the legs and haul them down, in football you can. in hockey you have to throw a check with your shoulder and if youre bigger than someone or they have their head down, theres nothing you can do to prevent your shoulder from going into their head.

Sure there is, it is called respect for your opponent. You don't have to kill the guy full speed to knock him off of the puck.

that may be so, but when a guy is along the boards looking for the puck in his feet or youre bigger than him, you dont have to smash him to hurt him, a hit in the right spot nevermind the force will cause some damage no matter what and theres nothing you can do to stop it.

nothing short of taking hitting out of the game entirely will stop concussions and "head shots".

[mrusse01 0]

If the NFL can work towards legislating head shots out of the game then why can't the NHL?

good point, but in hockey you arent allowed to grab someone by the legs and haul them down, in football you can. in hockey you have to throw a check with your shoulder and if youre bigger than someone or they have their head down, theres nothing you can do to prevent your shoulder from going into their head.

Sure there is, it is called respect for your opponent. You don't have to kill the guy full speed to knock him off of the puck.

I hate to be the one to break this to you...but knocking someone off the puck isn't the only reason you hit them. It is a contact sport, you hit to hurt.

[chippa13 1844]

If the NFL can work towards legislating head shots out of the game then why can't the NHL?

good point, but in hockey you arent allowed to grab someone by the legs and haul them down, in football you can. in hockey you have to throw a check with your shoulder and if youre bigger than someone or they have their head down, theres nothing you can do to prevent your shoulder from going into their head.

Sure there is, it is called respect for your opponent. You don't have to kill the guy full speed to knock him off of the puck.

I hate to be the one to break this to you...but knocking someone off the puck isn't the only reason you hit them. It is a contact sport, you hit to hurt.

Again, the NFL has legislated head shots out of the game and there are still solid hits sent with the purpose of making a receiver feel it or dislodging him from the ball without taking his head off. If Rodney Harrison can stop taking head shots then perhaps Colton Orr can too.

You know what used to happen in open ice when a guy got caught with his head down, it was called the hip check. A lost art in the NHL in the era of the headhunters.

[Leafsrok 0]

If the NFL can work towards legislating head shots out of the game then why can't the NHL?

good point, but in hockey you arent allowed to grab someone by the legs and haul them down, in football you can. in hockey you have to throw a check with your shoulder and if youre bigger than someone or they have their head down, theres nothing you can do to prevent your shoulder from going into their head.

Sure there is, it is called respect for your opponent. You don't have to kill the guy full speed to knock him off of the puck.

I hate to be the one to break this to you...but knocking someone off the puck isn't the only reason you hit them. It is a contact sport, you hit to hurt.

i dont completely agree. unless someone else has deliberitely injured one of my teammates or something of the sort, i hardly ever find myself throwing a bodycheck with the intention of seeing that guy face down on the ice. i dont hit to injure the other guy, but i want him to know im there.

the purpose of a body check is to get the puck from the other guy. ive got absolutely ZERO problem with a hard, clean body check, even if someone gets hurt. Brian Campbells hit on Umberger was 100% clean, if you have your head down coming through centre ice, be prepared to pay the price.

[#96 0]

If the NFL can work towards legislating head shots out of the game then why can't the NHL?

good point, but in hockey you arent allowed to grab someone by the legs and haul them down, in football you can. in hockey you have to throw a check with your shoulder and if youre bigger than someone or they have their head down, theres nothing you can do to prevent your shoulder from going into their head.

Sure there is, it is called respect for your opponent. You don't have to kill the guy full speed to knock him off of the puck.

I hate to be the one to break this to you...but knocking someone off the puck isn't the only reason you hit them. It is a contact sport, you hit to hurt.

Again, the NFL has legislated head shots out of the game and there are still solid hits sent with the purpose of making a receiver feel it or dislodging him from the ball without taking his head off. If Rodney Harrison can stop taking head shots then perhaps Colton Orr can too.

You know what used to happen in open ice when a guy got caught with his head down, it was called the hip check. A lost art in the NHL in the era of the headhunters.

I hate the hip check and thank God it's become a lost art. When executed correctly, as so few can do, it is an art, but when executed poorly, as so many do, it becomes a career threatener. Good riddance.

[32Ryan 0]

Absolutly a clean hit..no doubt about it