Ducks

[chippa13 1844]

While it's a little surprising given Pronger's history, I will say this: I wouldn't believe Kessler if he told me mud was dirty, and whether it's from Pronger or someone else, he'll get what's coming to him soon.

Kessler's little "I've been shot!" reaction earlier in the game probably didn't help. Good chirp by Perry in response though.

If someone can get suspended for stomping on Ruutu, well, you see where this is going.

[RadioGaGa 162]

Bobby Mac (TSN) has a take...here it is:

http://www.tsn.ca/tsn_talent/columnists/bob_mckenzie/

[rinkrat94 1]

Since the Ducks play seems to be a hot topic on another board as well I found this article to be interesting.

http://deanbrownblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/...d-of-dirty.html

The guys is absolutely correct. In football it used to be called the raider effect. If you're constantly playing dirty, you have to do something really outrageous to actually get a penalty. It plays on the laziness of officials and their unwillingness to properly penalize players for their actions.

I don't understand why the ducks are allowed to get away with so much. If the ref's see a penalty, call it. IMO it seems like an easy thing for the league to clean up. If the ducks go down 5 on 3 a few times early in the playoffs, they would get the message. If you kill the flow of a few games, so be it.

[Law Goalie 147]

They're doing what the Leafs have always done, only the Ducks are actually good at it. You make so many over-the-line plays that you give the refs an effective ultimatum: put us shorthanded the entire game, or move the line back and let thing go that should be called.

[msander 0]

While it's a little surprising given Pronger's history, I will say this: I wouldn't believe Kessler if he told me mud was dirty, and whether it's from Pronger or someone else, he'll get what's coming to him soon.

Kessler's little "I've been shot!" reaction earlier in the game probably didn't help. Good chirp by Perry in response though.

Isn't Perry out for like 4 weeks with a lacerated thight? I didn't even think he was in the lineup yesterday...

[PWBIII 0]

Simon gets 30 games, Pronger gets nothing. Sounds fair to me.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=231940&hubname=

Pronger stomps Simon???? What happens then?

I celebrate

[dangle 0]

Very simular to the Simon incident earlier in the year where Simon received a 30 game suspension. Pronger has not been suspended.

Thoughts?

[TheBeatGoesOn 0]

Fuck Pronger.

[Law Goalie 147]

First off, it's Kessler's fault for trying to wrap Pronger's legs with his own. Pronger is obviously trying to shake his foot loose, Kessler clings on, Pronger stumbles and steps on him.

Second, even if it was malicious, Kessler had it coming.

Third, even bearing in mind Pronger's history of dirty play and suspension-dodging (1 game for taking McAmmond's head off? OK...), I just don't buy Kessler's whining.

Pronger may be dirty, but Kessler is a bitch.

[willy0314 0]

eshhh.. It kinda looks like kesler is keeping pronger's foot pinned at the start, and he definatly ends up stomping on him before he skates way, I guess the question is was pronger all off balance and just thrashing around trying to get his foot free and ends up kicking Kesler, or did he get pissed and decided to boot him before he skated away?

Either way I don't think it was quite as dangerous, or deliberate as the simon incident. Certainly not good, but not quite as bad as the first incident.....

[Chadd 916]

Just because the victim is an asshole doesn't make it any more acceptable. If someone chopped Avery in the mouth with a stick, it would be just as wrong as if they did it to Joe Sakic. Mind you, I wouldn't feel sorry for Avery, but it doesn't make it any more or less wrong.

[dangle 0]

First off, it's Kessler's fault for trying to wrap Pronger's legs with his own. Pronger is obviously trying to shake his foot loose, Kessler clings on, Pronger stumbles and steps on him.

i dont agree with the bolded part. Sure Kesler clung on, but not very tightly. Pronger stomped him with force (if you watch the video...) It wasn't like he accidently stepped on him. That's my problem with it

Edit: the pictures I posted clearly show Pronger's foot free of Kesler's legs when he has his leg up to stomp Kesler with his skate. He CLEARLY isn't trying to "shake free" of Kesler there

[Chadd 916]

Merged into existing discussion in Ducks topic.

[TheBert 0]

And I guess it's Steve Moore's fault for not fighting Todd Bertuzzi. Totally had it coming.

[kosydar 0]

Moore already fought Cooke or someone else during that game if I'm not mistaken. I know you're being sarcastic, but 90% of the people on here won't.

[dangle 0]

Moore already fought Cooke or someone else during that game if I'm not mistaken.

Cooke? Didn't he get traded to the Caps for Pettinger?

[Law Goalie 147]

First off, it's Kessler's fault for trying to wrap Pronger's legs with his own. Pronger is obviously trying to shake his foot loose, Kessler clings on, Pronger stumbles and steps on him.

i dont agree with the bolded part. Sure Kesler clung on, but not very tightly. Pronger stomped him with force (if you watch the video...) It wasn't like he accidently stepped on him. That's my problem with it

Edit: the pictures I posted clearly show Pronger's foot free of Kesler's legs when he has his leg up to stomp Kesler with his skate. He CLEARLY isn't trying to "shake free" of Kesler there

What I see is Pronger looking up ice to the play, stumbling once, looking down at Kessler as if to ask, "What the hell do you think you're doing?" then looking *back* up ice and just trying to step free. He pretty clearly isn't trying to avoid Kessler's legs - he isn't looking at them - but appears to have decided to step heavy and hard until he gets loose, which takes another couple of stumbles, including one with the lead foot that lands on Kessler's calf and one with the trailing foot that Kessler *still* has wrapped.

There's a huge difference between that and a targeted stomp.

My point about Kessler wasn't so much that he had done anything especially egregious (other than his usual hacking, diving and wining) to warrant an attack. My point was solely that Kessler put himself in a dangerous position, not to mention an illegal one, then cried about it in the same way he does about anything. You can't tell if the guy's been given a bump or shot in the neck.

[kosydar 0]

Moore already fought Cooke or someone else during that game if I'm not mistaken.

Cooke? Didn't he get traded to the Caps for Pettinger?

Yes, four seasons after the Bert-Moore thing.

[Law Goalie 147]

Just because the victim is an asshole doesn't make it any more acceptable. If someone chopped Avery in the mouth with a stick, it would be just as wrong as if they did it to Joe Sakic. Mind you, I wouldn't feel sorry for Avery, but it doesn't make it any more or less wrong.

I dunno... Shore clubs Ace Bailey, it's a disaster, and we commemorate it every year. Shore actually succeeds in getting Clancy back, maybe not.

Would Simon have got more than 30 if he'd stomped on Briere or Kovalchuk?

[dangle 0]

Yes, four seasons after the Bert-Moore thing.

my bad, im an idiot B)

[ultraman7k 0]

isn't the league looking at the whole pronger thing again?

[KingPest19 0]

First off, it's Kessler's fault for trying to wrap Pronger's legs with his own. Pronger is obviously trying to shake his foot loose, Kessler clings on, Pronger stumbles and steps on him.

i dont agree with the bolded part. Sure Kesler clung on, but not very tightly. Pronger stomped him with force (if you watch the video...) It wasn't like he accidently stepped on him. That's my problem with it

Edit: the pictures I posted clearly show Pronger's foot free of Kesler's legs when he has his leg up to stomp Kesler with his skate. He CLEARLY isn't trying to "shake free" of Kesler there

What I see is Pronger looking up ice to the play, stumbling once, looking down at Kessler as if to ask, "What the hell do you think you're doing?" then looking *back* up ice and just trying to step free. He pretty clearly isn't trying to avoid Kessler's legs - he isn't looking at them - but appears to have decided to step heavy and hard until he gets loose, which takes another couple of stumbles, including one with the lead foot that lands on Kessler's calf and one with the trailing foot that Kessler *still* has wrapped.

There's a huge difference between that and a targeted stomp.

My point about Kessler wasn't so much that he had done anything especially egregious (other than his usual hacking, diving and wining) to warrant an attack. My point was solely that Kessler put himself in a dangerous position, not to mention an illegal one, then cried about it in the same way he does about anything. You can't tell if the guy's been given a bump or shot in the neck.

Look at the picture posted and you can easily tell that Keslers leg isnt wrapped around Prongers and Pronger is stomping down on Keslers leg. Pronger gets no free pass in this sisutation becuase of his history which is just as bad as Simons. Thankfully the league looked at the 2nd clearer video and now he has to have a talk with the league.

[M.W. 0]

First off, it's Kessler's fault for trying to wrap Pronger's legs with his own. Pronger is obviously trying to shake his foot loose, Kessler clings on, Pronger stumbles and steps on him.

i dont agree with the bolded part. Sure Kesler clung on, but not very tightly. Pronger stomped him with force (if you watch the video...) It wasn't like he accidently stepped on him. That's my problem with it

Edit: the pictures I posted clearly show Pronger's foot free of Kesler's legs when he has his leg up to stomp Kesler with his skate. He CLEARLY isn't trying to "shake free" of Kesler there

What I see is Pronger looking up ice to the play, stumbling once, looking down at Kessler as if to ask, "What the hell do you think you're doing?" then looking *back* up ice and just trying to step free. He pretty clearly isn't trying to avoid Kessler's legs - he isn't looking at them - but appears to have decided to step heavy and hard until he gets loose, which takes another couple of stumbles, including one with the lead foot that lands on Kessler's calf and one with the trailing foot that Kessler *still* has wrapped.

There's a huge difference between that and a targeted stomp.

My point about Kessler wasn't so much that he had done anything especially egregious (other than his usual hacking, diving and wining) to warrant an attack. My point was solely that Kessler put himself in a dangerous position, not to mention an illegal one, then cried about it in the same way he does about anything. You can't tell if the guy's been given a bump or shot in the neck.

I don't get how, if you've seen the video, you can possibly say that he's stumbling. He's thrusting his foot downward with much more force than would be behind it if he were simply taking a step, unless he has the most unorthodox walking style that I've ever seen. If that is the case, I would hate to live in an apartment below his.

Say what you will about Kesler, but I'd suggest that any player has a pretty good basis for complaint when I guy stomps on him with his skate, especially considering what happened to Bieksa earlier this year. Also in the video, by the time Pronger stomps down at him, Kesler has opened his legs up to let get his foot free.

Look at the picture in this post: http://www.modsquadhockey.com/forums/index...st&p=549415

How can you claim that his feet are still being held by Kesler when he stomped on him? It's just plain false.

[GekigangarIII 0]

How in the world anyone can look at that video and say that Pronger "didn't mean" to step on the leg is just beyond me. It would have been 10 times easier for pronger just to step over his leg in a normal stride than it would to look down and see his leg and take a stutter just to stomp it and then go on with his normal stride.

This kind of crap needs serious punishment. One week we have all of the league and it's fans praying for the best for a guy who gets sliced accidentally, the next week we get another freaking big dumb animal deliberately trying to injure someone with thier skates and getting away with it. Talk about effed up.

[ultraman7k 0]

Pronger suspended for 5 games.