Using Grey Superfeet = Heel lift?

[automorph 0]

If I use grey superfeet in skate will that give me a heel lift of some sort?

Thanks

[schrempsky 0]

they are going to lift your heel slightly, which would help give you that feeling of a better heel lock in your skate as well

[JR Boucicaut 3804]

It will raise your arch by raising your heel, however, do not confuse it with a heel lift put between the holder and boot.

[DINO 0]

Do heel lifts in between holder and skates increase performance?

[chilaxin12 2]

DINO, I don't know if I would say it increased performance, but I always felt like I was kinda flat on my feet and that I was never on my toes enough, and I added some heel lifts and although i might get a little more of a forward pitch on my blade, I feel like its helped put me more on my toes.

[boganz45 0]

Do heel lifts in between holder and skates increase performance?

Strictly preference...

[SolarWind 23]

there was a bunch of topics on this in the past

arguably it's NOT just preference - slight forward pitch allows unlocking the knees (sort of like when beginners squat with 5# plates under their heels)

of course it depends on flexibility, so less flexible individuals (with tight ankles/hips) would probably benefit more from it.

[Chadd 916]

there was a bunch of topics on this in the past

arguably it's NOT just preference - slight forward pitch allows unlocking the knees (sort of like when beginners squat with 5# plates under their heels)

of course it depends on flexibility, so less flexible individuals (with tight ankles/hips) would probably benefit more from it.

More forward pitch FORCES more knee bend.

[SolarWind 23]

More forward pitch FORCES more knee bend.

good point - if you're pitched forward you can't even stand straight without either bending your knees or falling over :)

[JJ Thompson94 0]

Is there any color that has a higher heel lift than the grey ones?

[SolarWind 23]

Is there any color that has a higher heel lift than the grey ones?

not to the best of my knowledge

btw there's no real heel lift in superfeets (comparing to let's say easton's footbeds found in Stealth skates where there's real 5mm heel lift) - just the thickness of the footbed itself which is maybe 2mm if that?

it doesn't really affect the overall pitch

[HattrickSwayze 3]

When I put the yellow SuperFeet in my Vapor's, I thought it felt like it put me a little more on my toes. The SuperFeet insole was a bit thicker than the regular insole as others have said. It wasn't a big difference, but I did notice it.

[Rustpot 1]

Is there any color that has a higher heel lift than the grey ones?

not to the best of my knowledge

btw there's no real heel lift in superfeets (comparing to let's say easton's footbeds found in Stealth skates where there's real 5mm heel lift) - just the thickness of the footbed itself which is maybe 2mm if that?

it doesn't really affect the overall pitch

5mm? Are you sure it's hard and won't squish smaller than that?

Using the insole to lift the heel is a bad idea- your heel may no longer sit correctly in the pocket, or even cause fit/depth issues with a borderline fitting skate.

Instead of spending $25 on insoles, get a small lift installed between the outsole and holder, or even get a $10 profile to try it out.

[fatwabbit 93]

not sure, but i remember using some grey superfeet back some time ago... real comfortable... then when I switched to some yellow ones when teh greys went to shit, the yellows really hurt my feet.

looking for more greys...

[SolarWind 23]

Is there any color that has a higher heel lift than the grey ones?

not to the best of my knowledge

btw there's no real heel lift in superfeets (comparing to let's say easton's footbeds found in Stealth skates where there's real 5mm heel lift) - just the thickness of the footbed itself which is maybe 2mm if that?

it doesn't really affect the overall pitch

5mm? Are you sure it's hard and won't squish smaller than that?

Using the insole to lift the heel is a bad idea- your heel may no longer sit correctly in the pocket, or even cause fit/depth issues with a borderline fitting skate.

Instead of spending $25 on insoles, get a small lift installed between the outsole and holder, or even get a $10 profile to try it out.

yes it's 5 mm of relatively hard foam looking plastic & after few months of 4 hr on ice use it's still intact

not sure what everybody does, but insoles are for comfort & arch support - they don't affect the pitch as much as heel lifts or profile

profiling seems to be the least intrusive option for achieving proper pitch BTW.

putting a piece of plastic on a skate with a composite outsole just doesn't look appealing to me - but it works just as well as profiling & is also permanent.

BTW there're TONS of topic on this already...

[boganz45 0]

there was a bunch of topics on this in the past

arguably it's NOT just preference - slight forward pitch allows unlocking the knees (sort of like when beginners squat with 5# plates under their heels)

of course it depends on flexibility, so less flexible individuals (with tight ankles/hips) would probably benefit more from it.

Again this would benefit some and not others and those who theoretically benefit might not like it, but those whose who do not may like it, so in regards to increased performance how is it not preference?

[jsmart 0]

not sure, but i remember using some grey superfeet back some time ago... real comfortable... then when I switched to some yellow ones when teh greys went to shit, the yellows really hurt my feet.

looking for more greys...

like the greys also, but can't tell a difference between them and yellow...if you can...here is a link to grey!

http://www.zappos.com/n/p/p/7310765/c/401.html

[JR Boucicaut 3804]

Is there any color that has a higher heel lift than the grey ones?

not to the best of my knowledge

btw there's no real heel lift in superfeets (comparing to let's say easton's footbeds found in Stealth skates where there's real 5mm heel lift) - just the thickness of the footbed itself which is maybe 2mm if that?

it doesn't really affect the overall pitch

5mm? Are you sure it's hard and won't squish smaller than that?

Using the insole to lift the heel is a bad idea- your heel may no longer sit correctly in the pocket, or even cause fit/depth issues with a borderline fitting skate.

Instead of spending $25 on insoles, get a small lift installed between the outsole and holder, or even get a $10 profile to try it out.

yes it's 5 mm of relatively hard foam looking plastic & after few months of 4 hr on ice use it's still intact

not sure what everybody does, but insoles are for comfort & arch support - they don't affect the pitch as much as heel lifts or profile

profiling seems to be the least intrusive option for achieving proper pitch BTW.

putting a piece of plastic on a skate with a composite outsole just doesn't look appealing to me - but it works just as well as profiling & is also permanent.

BTW there're TONS of topic on this already...

How exactly can profiling be "least intrusive"?

And how can putting an heel lift between the holder "permanent?"

You can always remove a heel lift - try putting back the steel your profiler shaved off.

The reason why I went with 3mm heel lifts on my skates was because I did not want to shave that off the toe.

[SolarWind 23]

How exactly can profiling be "least intrusive"?

easy - just shave the steel, nothing extra to add, no mess with riveting etc Cheaper too - so how would it not be the least intrusive? BTW this is what you advised me over lifts at one point ;)

And how can putting an heel lift between the holder "permanent?"

You can always remove a heel lift - try putting back the steel your profiler shaved off.

true, but as you know even though you can't put back steel that was already shaved the profile can still be restored - just shave the heel part a bit

I guess I meant to say 'more' permanent in a sense that it's harder to screw the pitch with lifts - with profiling any subsequent sharpening can alter it...

[JR Boucicaut 3804]

How exactly can profiling be "least intrusive"?

easy - just shave the steel, nothing extra to add, no mess with riveting etc Cheaper too - so how would it not be the least intrusive? BTW this is what you advised me over lifts at one point ;)

And how can putting an heel lift between the holder "permanent?"

You can always remove a heel lift - try putting back the steel your profiler shaved off.

true, but as you know even though you can't put back steel that was already shaved the profile can still be restored - just shave the heel part a bit

I guess I meant to say 'more' permanent in a sense that it's harder to screw the pitch with lifts - with profiling any subsequent sharpening can alter it...

What if you don't like it?

A shop would have an easier time screwing up a profile than a heel lift.

I think you have a huge problem with reading comprehension because I have ALWAYS said that heel lifts are more economical than profiling. I charge $15 for heel lifts, $25 for profiling. Why would I tell you differently?

I told you NOT to use Lexan lifts because your shop couldn't get the right material, so I told you that if you knew what you wanted, then to go and get the steel profiled. But on a strictly experimental approach, a heel lift is better because you don't alter the steel in any way and you can remove it and go back to stock if you don't like it.

As for your second point, now you're stuck with a banana blade. Good going!

[Rustpot 1]

Ah, my shop is the opposite for pricing. The owner was more reluctant to do a shim lift than a profile, he charges $25 for holder work and $10 for profiling. I wanted toe lifts put on my E-pros for better stability and he did it with the runner. It, of course, got completely screwed over the next 3 sharpenings and had to be redone. I don't get too many sharpenings though, plenty of steel left.

My next skates are XXXX with C+, so hopefully I won't need anything done to them. Maybe I'll go to PITCH and try it out if the holders go on closeout and I can find some 296/306 sets, then I can play with the profile and just remember to set it to neutral for sharpenings.

[SolarWind 23]

Ah, my shop is the opposite for pricing.

same in my area - $25 for profile & more like $50 for lifts (just riveting alone is like $20 - $1 per normal rivet, $2 for copper ones)...

and no - I definitely have no problems with reading comprehension - left alone huge problems, but thanks for your concern - your point is taken though - I might have over simplified the point

[pizzakid13 5]

i have been toying with adding these to my skates. i presently use shock doctors which feel fine. the biggest reason i probably have not bought any is the sizes. they have 7.5-9 and 9.5-11. well my foot is a 9. wtf?

[SolarWind 23]

i have been toying with adding these to my skates. i presently use shock doctors which feel fine. the biggest reason i probably have not bought any is the sizes. they have 7.5-9 and 9.5-11. well my foot is a 9. wtf?

they supposed to be trimmed to fit (especially the yellow ones - with greys somehow I got lucky & they fit right on without any modifications), so just get the bigger ones & cut appropriately.

[Rustpot 1]

i have been toying with adding these to my skates. i presently use shock doctors which feel fine. the biggest reason i probably have not bought any is the sizes. they have 7.5-9 and 9.5-11. well my foot is a 9. wtf?

At least you're in a range. Biggest size for Superfeet is 11.5-13 and the arch on them hits me about 3/4" too far back. I need a G size I guess.