Graf (sidas) heat moldable insoles

[peck12 1]

On the subject of Graf insoles.... does anyone know if the Graf Concept 3D's take up less volume then the Superfeet yellows? I bought the Superfeets and have been skating with them a bunch but I'm getting lace bite about halfway up; which I've never gotten before (I've never had lace bite anywhere). I was thinking about switching over to the 3D's.

Any insight is appreciated. Thanks guys.

[epstud74 24]

I'm guessing the answer will differ depending on the source of information and/or the skate and foot types involved.

[Rocketking 0]

I'm using superfeet now, but this looks like allot better product.

I've ben wearing orthotic inserts for 15 years and swear by them.

A good insert can completely change your center of balance.

These will be my next purchase.

[stuie7 6]

On the subject of Graf insoles.... does anyone know if the Graf Concept 3D's take up less volume then the Superfeet yellows? I bought the Superfeets and have been skating with them a bunch but I'm getting lace bite about halfway up; which I've never gotten before (I've never had lace bite anywhere). I was thinking about switching over to the 3D's.

Any insight is appreciated. Thanks guys.

If those are the Graf insoles that vek posted, those are the ones that I have and they are thinner then the superfeet at the front, I find the arches are quite high.

[peck12 1]

If those are the Graf insoles that vek posted, those are the ones that I have and they are thinner then the superfeet at the front, I find the arches are quite high.

Yeah the ones vek posted look to be the same as the ones I am talking about.

[pizzakid13 5]

are the sidas non-customs still heat -moldable like these:

http://www.yoursole.com/products/footbeds/slim/sport/

[Ltrain 0]

Bringing this thread up from the dead. I saw that there was a video posted on how these are made somewhere but I think that link was dead. I didn't manage to find it on the forum in my search. SO I searched around the net and found this:

Not sure if this was already posted on MSH so I figured I'd post it on here for easier search reference and for folks that are not familiar with the fitting process to see how these things are done.

-L

[sarmalidu 1]

Anybody know a good custom shop in MN that can do these well? I am definitely interested as I have highish (not crazy high) arches and my current footbeds are quite flat.

[Konig von Kuhlem 0]

Well, I'm officially a believer! I just got Vapor X:60s and my first skate with the insoles that come with the skate was painful on the side of my feet. I picked up my custom Graf insoles that I had molded to my feet and played my first game (second skate) and it felt awesome! No pain and tonnes of control.

My only question is: Do you take out the custom insoles to dry? They are pretty stiff compared to my superfeet and other insoles and they are stuck in there pretty good. I don't want to be prying it out with a flat screwdriver as I'm worried that I'll wear out either the skate inner lining or the insole over time... but I want the rivets to dry...

[big_bt 0]

Yeah I always take them out so that rust doesn't develop underneath the foot bed and start to rust away at your rivets and such. Just be careful prying them out with your flat head screw driver.

[coldshoulder 0]

There's a spot right at the top of the arch where it will pop right out w/the f-head s-driver. This is the 1st season I've used the Sidas and take them out after use without messing up anything inside the boot.

[duch 0]

I slip mine out with the rounded end of a butter knife instead of a flat headed screwdriver. That way you don't have any corners to damage the skate liner. The secret is to be patient and take your time.

[th6252 25]

another way to go is to use a thin piece of plastic, something like a credit card. that way you stand less of a chance of tearing the inner lining of the boot and it works even better since it's pliable.

[Ltrain 0]

I purchased these when I was doing some electrical dash work on some friends' cars. They're for popping out dash and panel trim with out marring it (the one in the bottom left in the pic is what I keep in my bag). Probably overkill, but I had it laying around in my toolbox and it works great. Slides in and pops right out. You could probably also get one of those cheap 1" plastic spackle tools they sell in hardware stores for patching walls too. I like the dash tool because the handle is stout and has enough backbone for leverage to pop those stiff insoles out without bending (the tool itself). These are nice since they don't tear up the inner liner of the boot like a screwdriver or butter knife might.

-L

[epstud74 24]

Anybody know a good custom shop in MN that can do these well? I am definitely interested as I have highish (not crazy high) arches and my current footbeds are quite flat.

General Sports on 5oth & France in Edina. Great hockey shop

[Konig von Kuhlem 0]

Thanks for all the suggestions! I liked the plastic idea and rounded idea, so I found an old thin plastic shoe horn and popped it out at the top of the arch. Good to GO! :D

[goaliemanshark 6]

Has anyone compared custom superfeet to custom sidas?

[LeMagnifique 0]

I have used these SIDAS custom insoles in the past for my Snowboard boots and swear by and love them! I had no idea SIDAS and Conformable teamed up with Graf to produce custom hockey insoles! Wow I wish I got the memo :P

I am very interested in picking up a pair but my question (probably dumb) is when I place an order with my LHS what size do I give them....The size of my feet, or the size of my skate.

The reason I ask this is when I purchased my ski and snow version they were sized for your normal wear and with a skate they are sized much different as you know. Especially by brand. In other words I wear a 10.5 street shoe but a 8.5 Reebok skate. Any info would be greatly appreciated

Thank you in Advance!!

-Keith

[Nico 0]

Anyone know of a store in Chicago (or Midwest) that does these? I've called every store on the Graf list for Illinois and I've had zero success.

I'm currently using superfeet, I think they are great, but I feel that I could use a little more arch support.

Also, how do SIDAS compare to custom orthotics from a podiatrist? As this would be my other option if I can't get SIDAS locally.

[ahbroody 1]

Are these the same inserts?

http://www.totalhockey.net/Product.aspx?item=5009

None of the local shops have the airbladder systems. So not sure.

[W.Heinle 0]

Are these the same inserts?

http://www.totalhockey.net/Product.aspx?item=5009

None of the local shops have the airbladder systems. So not sure.

No, these are comparable to Superfeet.

[jcp2 2]

My ski shop has the SIDAS system. I think the racing inserts would be comparable to the Graf branded ones. They have the air bladder system and use it in conjunction with custom boot fitting. The inserts were $120, special order, and they recommended bringing the skates in as well, as they are accustomed to fitting these inserts in flat soled ski boots and while they have experimented with putting them in ice skates, the results they have had were variable as ice skates have a built in heel ramp, some being more pronounced than others. Seeing as that is the case, I wonder how the Graf system accomodates this, as it is the same technology applied to the skate with the most forward lean.

[krimsanavenger 0]

Do these work well for flat feet? Do they start out completely flat then form the arch during the heat molding process? I use Graf step-in footbeds now but the preformed arch is too big for my feet and causing me some pain.

[Viking 1]

It might just be the skates you're in. I have low arches, and tried a hundred different footbeds (graf, shockdoctor, superfeet, and others), but always had arch pain. I switched skates (grafs that didn't quite fit right to perfect fitting bauers) and the pain is no more.

[anko 3]

I just had a pair of these done - the custom pro hockey, not the custom pro. I've been using yellow Superfeet, which haven't been bad. I'm a moderate arch. Skated in the Sidas once thusfar, not sure what I think of them yet. Superfeet have a slightly raised feel relative to Sidas.

Most suprising thing is that the Sidas are a heavy insole. This will not prevent me from using them, and the weight is there for good reason - they're very supportive. Insole weights, size 10.5 one95s: stock 18g, yellow superfeet 39g, sidas 85g.