Dream Car

[LegoDoom 0]

I agrtee completely. Just stating that money doesn't nessecerly buy speed and power. Another example is how the Lambo and the Viper are only running 1 or 2 seconds quicker then the WSi and the 'vette.

That may be true, but you're paying for top end speed/performance with the Viper and the Lambo. There is a big difference, and it goes beyond the 40 and 1/4 mile times. People do use these cars for more than driving from light to light.

And I wasn't saying how great Maserati is and how bad Ferrari is. Just pointing out that they're not low end ferrari's. I don't quite understand how people say how much better ferrari's are, when they're owned by the same company and do use similar technologies.

[LegoDoom 0]

Yeah, pretty amazing.  I guess its all in what you are looking for in the end.

In most cases those cars can beat or hang with some that cost much more in a straight line, but not on a course. 

What money can buy is prestige...Which again doesn't matter for many. This C6 might be 60K?  I honestly don't know.  But for another 10, I would buy a C4S.  I like a car with a nice interior.  Its a fast car, but the C6 would take it straight on (From what I remember reading).  But on the roads around my area, its quickness, supurb conering and "agility" would make it awesome to drive and definitely a funner car to drive then a corvette. For extra power, give me a turbo any day of the week.

The C6 is about 45k. Raw power is better then turbo power. The engine has to spool all the way up before the turbo kicks in, if anything I would prefer a supercharger. The C4S only has 315 HP, and for the same price, or even less, you can get a C6 z06 vette with 500 hp that would kill the lil 6 banger. The vette does have good handeling, its not the best in the world obviously, but it isnt a civic. Its all about what you want. The vette is a nice car, and so is the C4S, if you live up in the hills with a lot of winding roads, puck up the porsche, if you do a lot of highway driving, pick up the self contained battle ship.

You can get a porsche from the factory, take it out on the track and kick the crap out of a stock z06. In order for the vette to compete, it will need a new suspension and brakes. I love how people say you can get the vette for so much cheaper and it has better performance. You'll need to add about $15k in upgrades before it's a competition.

[Vapor 0]

It matters what kind of track were on, if there are a lot of stright lines, the vette will kill it. This is a terrible example, but, I saw a race with a vette (stock C5) and a lotus elise (american version with celica engine), and the elise was keeping up on the wavy quick turns, and all the slopes, etc, but when you get to a stright line, the vette just went... uh... boom. Dont hate on the vette, if all they wanted to do was go in a stright line, they would have a 12 bolt rear suspension rather than an independent rear suspension. They do handle well, ill be it, not as good as a porsche, but its all in the course. If its all steep curves, the porsche may have a chance, but with just a few stright aways, the C6 Z06 would kill it

[Vapor 0]

Exactly, it is all price, and what you are looking for. Most people dont take their cars to the tracks, and round here, there arent many winding hills and such, so I would rather go for a car that is better on the highway in stright lines, like a vette. The key to any car is MONEY, it is all relative. Sure, I can get a Bugatti Veyron, which is a v16 with 4 superchargers, and 1001+ hp, and kill all you little 8, 10, or even 12 bangers, but, I have spent a cool million on my car. Its what your looking for.

[LegoDoom 0]

It matters what kind of track were on, if there are a lot of stright lines, the vette will kill it. This is a terrible example, but, I saw a race with a vette (stock C5) and a lotus elise (american version with celica engine), and the elise was keeping up on the wavy quick turns, and all the slopes, etc, but when you get to a stright line, the vette just went... uh... boom. Dont hate on the vette, if all they wanted to do was go in a stright line, they would have a 12 bolt rear suspension rather than an independent rear suspension. They do handle well, ill be it, not as good as a porsche, but its all in the course. If its all steep curves, the porsche may have a chance, but with just a few stright aways, the C6 Z06 would kill it

You're comparing a car with 190hp (Elise) to a car with 450hp (Z06). That's not exactly fair.

If you want to compare the cars like this, then at least compare a Porsche with similar hp numbers to that of the Vette. Just about any RWD turbo 911 would kick the crap out of a Vette on any track. Sorry, but the GT Porsches just have far better engine quality than the Vette's. They're made to withstand the abuse that track days put on a car.

And please drive different cars before you endorse them. Even without good roads to drive on, just pure power does not make the best car. Certain cars are just more fun to drive. For me, a Vette's not one of them.

[Vapor 0]

I was comparing a c5 base model vette (350 hp). For the price, A vette is the better car. I would hope if you pay 70,000 more, you would get a better car. I admitted it was a terrible example. I am saying for under 50,000, a corvette is the best sports car you can get FOR THE MONEY. But I will stress this. IT MATTERS WHAT YOU ARE DOING WITH THE CAR. If you are doing more highway driving, I would without a doubt get a vette. If you do a lot of curves, and hills, get a porsche. Again, its personal preference, but for the price, I beleive it is the best highest preformign sports car, with the most potential, its got a big engine, and a lot to build off of.

[LegoDoom 0]

If you're just doing highway driving, why do you need a sports car at all? For the low gas mileage or for the using less than half of the engine driving 75mph?

And if I had $40k to spend, I'd get the Elise.

[Vapor 0]

ohhh boy. Well anyways, if you want to spend 40,000 on a celica, have fun, but I would go with a g35 or a vette for that price range (up or down), but then again, you do sound like one who likes a tiny engine. Even the vette gets better millage (on a MUCH bigger engine) than the 911 turbo.

[LegoDoom 0]

And with that big engine, it's still slower than a 911T. Fantastic.

If you're just doing highway driving, then yes, a G35 or a Vette would be better than an Elise. But again, why do you need a Vette if you're only driving on the highway? Are you going to be driving over 140mph? If not, the Elise will perform just as well as a Vette with 160 less hp. Do you see how smaller engine cars can actually perform well. And not to mention that the Elise is practically race ready. It handles better than the Vette and gets a ton better gas mileage.

And If you're talking of spending in the upper 40's on a highway car, I'd get an M3 and call it a day.

[Chadd 916]

And with that big engine, it's still slower than a 911T.  Fantastic.

If you're just doing highway driving, then yes, a G35 or a Vette would be better than an Elise.  But again, why do you need a Vette if you're only driving on the highway?  Are you going to be driving over 140mph?  If not, the Elise will perform just as well as a Vette with 160 less hp.  Do you see how smaller engine cars can actually perform well.  And not to mention that the Elise is practically race ready.  It handles better than the Vette and gets a ton better gas mileage.

And If you're talking of spending in the upper 40's on a highway car, I'd get an M3 call it a day.

Notr to mention the Vette is worthless 3 months out of the year in the northeast where the three of us live.

[LegoDoom 0]

-Build quality with out a doubt goes to Porsche, there is no argument there.

-Handling again goes to Porsche, grip in my GT3 seems to be twice as good. Then again tires are huge in this section!

-Acceleration in a straight line the ZO6 has very few competitors.

-Acceleration out of a corner the GT3 eats the ZO6 up eventhough the ZO6 has traction control. The ZO6 has a huge torque curve which almost hinders it because out of slow corners one really has to be precise with the throttle or else you will have a loss of traction, costing you valuable time. Tires and set up play a huge role here!

-Braking well you know the answer there.

The one caviat is that with $10K-$15K invested into a ZO6 you could resolve all its shortcomings and have yourself a deadly track weapon, capable of beating almost anything else on the track.

This guy also fails to mention that Porsche GT cars have a dry sump oil system (which all 911's had until the 996 model). This is invaluable on a track and will cost some $$$ to convert any car without it. You simply need it if you're on a course with any hard turns on it.

[LegoDoom 0]

Notr to mention the Vette is worthless 3 months out of the year in the northeast where the three of us live.

My 996 is better than my G35 in snowy conditions. The only problem is the ground clearance. I guess I won't have to worry about that this winter though :D

[Chadd 916]

The best car I ever had for snow was my Fiero. While much less expensive than a Porsche it had a similar mid/rear engine and rear wheel drive setup. Obviously my Amigo and Rodeo were better in snow and bad conditions, but that's a different vehicle type.

[LegoDoom 0]

Theo, I'm loving the Pepper. The only thing I don't like is the gas mileage. Drives great, looks great, and I can drive it pretty much anywhere. I'm kind of surprised at how much attention a damn SUV gets. Maybe it's just the pricetag, but I'm still surprised.

And I know it's not the best handling vehicle in the snow, but it's perfect for what I use it for (which will include winter driving). Besides hockey equipment, I've been hauling around dressers, lawnmowers, wood, etc. And it tows like a champ. I really didn't expect to be this happy with the car.

[Vapor 0]

The M3 is a beautiful car. Although, I did beat one in my g35 :). So what if the ground was wet... I win. I think for my next car I am going to get a 225 Audi TT with quatro. I would opt for the 4 banger 1.8 with the turbo rather than the 6 banger because its lighter and I can just turn up the boost, and be running over 300 hp very easily, and inexpensivly. I can probably get up to 350-400 hp for about 7-10k, on a lil 4 banger, but well see what I will do. TT is a nice car though

[Dan_The_Man_16 0]

Chadd, I just bought a Fiero! I love it to death. Although I hope nothign busts on it now...seeing as some parts are a bitch to get.

[Vapor 0]

I remember a poll on the car forums concluding that the Cayanne had the most sex appeal to women and was very popular like that, so go figure..haha.

Glad its working out.

The Cayenne?! That thing is uhh.. eh. If your going to get a porsche, get a porsche... If your gonna spend 50 grand, get a vette, right?! Id take an Escalde over that car any day... PP, of course, but... eh.

[Dan_The_Man_16 0]

But what do you have to worry about getting women for? ;)

[Vapor 0]

elbow to the ribs. Your right, I dont have to worry...

[LegoDoom 0]

I remember a poll on the car forums concluding that the Cayanne had the most sex appeal to women and was very popular like that, so go figure..haha.

Glad its working out.

The Cayenne?! That thing is uhh.. eh. If your going to get a porsche, get a porsche... If your gonna spend 50 grand, get a vette, right?! Id take an Escalde over that car any day... PP, of course, but... eh.

Can I ask why you'd get an Escalade? The thing is crazy heavy and drives like crap. Plus, the way I drive, it's a dangerous vehicle to be in. I get a little uneasy when I see one going above 55 with 24" wheels. It's really not safe at all.

You've obviously never driven a Cayenne. It drives like a Porsche. Albeit a very heavy Porsche, but one none the less. It doesn't matter anyway, I have a real porsche as well.

And about your G35 beating an M3..... was the other guy even racing you? The M3 will tear apart the G35 in every performance category. Unless the other kid didn't have a clue, he wasn't trying.

[Vapor 0]

I have been in both, but I have never driven a Cayenne, but I have driven an escalade. Not the best ride I have ever driven in. I just dont like the styling of the Cayenne. Yes, the guy did know, we were on a very slick road on rt. 35 in mantoloking, he had a 2004 m3 cabrio. He was trying, right off the line, he was wheel spinning and couldnt gain traction. When he gained traction, he blew past me, and then slipped up again, and I blew past him. It was about 2-3 lights on rt 35. He rolled down the window, when we were at a red light, and he said, is that car all wheel drive? I said yeah, how much you spend on your car, 50, he replied 63. I said, nice car.

[Fedorov91 0]

off topic, but you guys think my Eclipse will handle ok in the snow? I know it's FWD and all, I just worry... I wanted to get some junker car for the winter but I dont think I'll be able to do that right now. Its not an expensive car or anything but with me being a poor Detroit boy well... it's my baby lol.

[Vapor 0]

Your car should handle very well. Its the rear wheel boys that have the problem. Even though my car claims to be AWD, I may throw some piggyback in the rear just in case.

[Fedorov91 0]

Alright, cool. Thanks

[Fedorov91 0]

Oh one more thing, I also heard that theres something they can spray the underbody of your car with to help prevent it from rust and all that crap that comes along with winter driving. Has anybody else heard of this? I think it's something I'd be interested in.