Zamboni 6 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 The Rep team I coach is very strong, one of the best in the province. The kids are 13-at what goal dif do you guys feel the puck should just be carried over centre and dumped? I stop the boys at 10, we are getting in a lot of blowouts and parents feel that is low! Our league has a couple of weak teams in our age group-parents feel thats not our problem.What about in beer league? To me 5,6 is enough and time to tone it down. I'm thinking of moving our max goal dif against weak teams to 7, will cause a sh!tstorm from parents who want their kid to have big stats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
K9 Unit 1 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 tell the parents sportsmanship is much better skill that big statsas far as blowouts go i'm not too sure...never really been on the receiving/winning end of them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fatwabbit 93 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 I would say that the 10 you set is good enough... anything more, and its just a waste. Maybe have the guys play more positional or passing after that...As for beer league, 5-6 is enough to tone it down. The guys on my team tend to want to rack up the points and assists, which to me doesnt make sense (they do keep track of the score, scorers and assists) .... no trophies or medals to fight for... whats the point? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shifter 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 HA! after my humiliating lost tonight to a team that use to play a level up we lost 17-1....... they didn't stop. They kept going and going till that buzzer went off over and over.. my team felt like crap but we managed to score a goal and got the goalie pretty pissed because he couldn't get a shutout. lol fyi this is midget hockey and were in A and 2nd best in the league while the other team dropped out of AA division to kick our asses. =/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dsjunior1388 81 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 HA! after my humiliating lost tonight to a team that use to play a level up we lost 17-1....... they didn't stop. They kept going and going till that buzzer went off over and over.. my team felt like crap but we managed to score a goal and got the goalie pretty pissed because he couldn't get a shutout. lol fyi this is midget hockey and were in A and 2nd best in the league while the other team dropped out of AA division to kick our asses. =/Only a goalie would be unhappy with that score lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kovyperron5727 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 I don't know when to stop, my coach used to tell us that if were blowing out another team to keep on pounding them, because if they want to play us they should be able to handle it. Not necessarily my opinion, but still I see where he's coming from Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthpawTRK 1 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 Some of the guys that I work with are in an inline league where after one of the teams reaches 10 (providing the other team is virtually scoreless) the refs will call the game. They played a team the other night that had a handful of "substitute" players and got shut out 10-1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontdumpdangle 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 I've been on both sides of blowouts and i say you should never let up. On the losing team, if they're bad enough to get blown out often then they usually get used to it and its almost comical (at least on some of the s show teams ive played on). As far as being the winning team in that situation, you dont want to have the team fold the tent against a bad team and play down to their level. You want your guys to give %100 every shift. The great teams always beat the teams they're supposed to beat and dont let the lesser teams stick around in games. Also i found it more embarrassing when a team would stop playing serious and start messing around or they would stop putting the score up. You want to instill that killer instinct at a young age. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MorePower4me 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 How many future NHL'rs you got on the team?Assuming 0, (almost a statistical guarantee) you are preparing the kids more for a future of teamwork, and integration into society than a long, illustrious, pro hockey career.I realize the parents think their spawn is the next 'Crosby' and needs to put up the points mentioned in that youtube video of him ~10 years ago (I swear the hockey parents I've seen have d*amn near memorized it...) but you have distinct advantage of realizing there's more than 1 child on the team, and that the lesson on sportsmanship is FAR more valuable than the short term happiness of scoring on a team that can't really help it. Especially since the kids a lot more likely to end up serving up fries than hat-tricks in 10 years...The best analogy I can think of is a street fight. If you ever see a black belt or a very trained fighter end up in a fight with a drunken idiot, you'll usually notice that the real fighter always has control over the fight, but typically doesn't showboat or inflict more damage than is really necessary to win the fight. Thats showing respect to your opponent and yourself.If its a championship game, or playoff, or the other team has been telling everyone who'll listen how they are going to destroy your team, then by all means. But if its just a regular game, F-the parents and do what you think is right. Your moral compass sounds pretty accurate to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JR Boucicaut 3803 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 I usually tell guys 5 passes in the zone before a shot after 5-6 goals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cams 7 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 This might be a long one, as I have strong opinions in regards to blowouts......In a minor hockey setting - if you are up by 10 or about that much, you can't really just get to the blueline and dump it in. That, to me at least, is almost worse than running up the score, as you are pretty much be-littling the opponent, and I know I wouldn't want to be on that end of the score sheet and have a team just dump the puck in. I say ease off a bit, but still play the gameIn a beer league setting - the Sunday AM team I was on a few years ago got blown out more often than not. It was a group of buddies, out for a good skate, and some fun. There was 1 team in this league that were a bunch of old Jr. B, Jr. C teammates. Keep in mind the guys on my team where just rec league players, no junior experience at all on my team. These idiots would not only get up 10-1, 12-0, etc., but they would toy with the guys on my team, showboat, even goon it up. Wow...going for the Sun AM league scoring title or something... didn't realize scouts hang out at these games..... Another bad example of "running up the score" would be the 2005 era London Knights (OHL). This team was stacked, and plenty good (Corey Perry - worst diver in hockey, Rob Schremp, Bolland, to name few of their stars). They would be up 5, 6, sometimes more, with only a couple minutes to go in the 3rd period, and good ol' coach Dale Hunter puts his top 5 players out on the PP trying to score more. This, to me, is VERY wrong. Poor sportsmanship big time. Damn I hate Hunter and the Knights!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B19Kress 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 Some of the guys that I work with are in an inline league where after one of the teams reaches 10 (providing the other team is virtually scoreless) the refs will call the game. They played a team the other night that had a handful of "substitute" players and got shut out 10-1. :P lolwe played a team Sunday that only had 5 guys show up... we had 11, needless to say it we passed a lot and worked on positioning, ended up finishing 5-1, but we had the potential to score probably 15 if we actually were skating hard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MorePower4me 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 ^ Classy choice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RecLeagueHero 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 I tend to think if you have a 5-6 goal lead why not make the 3rd and 4th line kids your 1st and 2nd for the rest of the game? Gives the kids that don't get as much ice time a chance to play, which can really motivate them to stick with it and it provides a pretty natural control over running up the score. Can also provide valuable experience to the 1st and 2nd line players in what it's like to be a support player, and maybe help them appreciate the players on the 3/4 lines more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Too Old 1 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 We had to play a VERY good A team in a tourney this past summer. The problem was they were pussies and dropped into the B division since they didn't want to play another A team from their town, and also any other A team. We got them in the 2nd game and they tore us up. We just played our game and did what we could. They showboated and ran up the score, along with running their mouths. It wasn't pretty. We ended up playing them in the championship game and made it a more physical game. We only got beat 4-2 and one of theirs was a garbage goal off a skate. Move ahead to last night in a B league game. We opened up a 6-0 lead in the 2nd period. We then began moving the forwards/centers around with the defensemen. Let them play up for a change. We didn't really 'let up' so to speak, but did try to tone it down a little bit. There's no sense running up the score in a game when you know you'll win and it's still supposed to be a GAME among FRIENDS. And never forget; what comes around goes around. I'd rather play with intensity and a desire to win above all... but also with a sense of humility and love of the game and what it means to the folks on the other team as well. Too many forget this is supposed to be recreational fun and lose sight of things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KYHockey3 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 I think running up the score depends on the situation. In a tournament i would run up the score because it may come down to goals for or goals against. in a regular adult or house league i think 7 is a good goal difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chk hrd 164 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 If it's a youth game then no need to run up more than 5 or 6. If it gets to that point let the 3rd and 4th liners play alot more or mix up the lines so that the better kids can set the weaker kids up for goals, even switch D and F's up. It is always good to see kids score who never get the chance.In our mens league our team will only let it get to 6 goals, after that they keep the clock running and we would rather keep playing then run the game out short. So we work passing and positions.Unfortunately if it's a tourny that all goes out the window because of the goals for/against. My son's team just had to blow another team out (11-1) so they could make it to the finals. I hate having to do it because it can create alot of on ice problems, but it has to be done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zamboni 6 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 Some good insights on this thread-I think 7 will be the goal dif from now on. I understand the sentiment against just dumping the puck when well ahead but I found the 5 passes before shooting was still resulting in goals. Same for moving the D to Fwd....they would be hungry to score. I might try goals can only be slapshots from the B line when well up as a compromise.Never understood tournaments tie breakers not having a max on goals, ie most a team gets is 5 per game no matter what the actual score. Or base the tie breaker solely on GA, that would slow things down.No future NHLers.....you want to tell the kids, or their parents? :o Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JR Boucicaut 3803 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 How about no shots til everyone touches the puck once while in the zone and all shots must come from a defenseman?However, I think the KEY is to present it in a way that you are not showing the other team up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eric42434224 1 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 How about no shots til everyone touches the puck once while in the zone and all shots must come from a defenseman?However, I think the KEY is to present it in a way that you are not showing the other team up.Exactly. Sometimes, when you start doing all the passing before shooting, and pulling up, it may come across as even more arrogant. Like they are just playing with you now. It is difficult to preserve the ego of the other team when they are being beaten so badly....regardless of what you do.I personally think the best way, if one is able, is to let the weaker players on your team play the majority of the rest of the game and let them play full bore. But that may not be possible if it is high level, or the talent is relatively the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MorePower4me 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 No future NHLers.....you want to tell the kids, or their parents? :oThe parents? Happily, give me their #.To quote Will Farrell in a lame ass movie they need a "b*tch slap of truth"... B) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
K9 Unit 1 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 kinda in context lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarick 5 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 I got my only hat trick in a blowout...The first two goals were when the game was within reason, I think the third was maybe just a point shot that snuck in. We kind of let off the gas but there was a talent disparity.Unless the other team's clearly worse and they have some classy guys, we usually keep the pressure on. We've lost two and three goal leads before, and a couple times have blown out a team and gotten beat in the rematch. You never know when one guy's going to just turn it on. Or, the other team will get frustrated and start cheap shotting and smack talking, so we get fired up and keep putting the pressure on.Only been in a couple games where the tables were turned...didn't feel bad they whupped us good at all. Just felt like they were a way better team than we were. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RecLeagueHero 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 kinda in context lolAnd she managed to come away with only a yellow card on the pitch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MorePower4me 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 kinda in context lolAnd she managed to come away with only a yellow card on the pitch.Saw this on another forum, after it went 'viral' she was kicked off the team.... B) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
