Shark#81 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 OK this happened again last nite for the 3rd time in about 2 or 3 seasons. opposing forward does a shoot in, i am D-man & anticipating that so am honking back full tilt to pickup the puck with a couple of guys in chase.I want to snag it and rip around the net to lose them. Our goalie comes out to control the puck & I think he is going to leave it in position but instead fires right into my shin pads. That starts mayhem behind the net, goalie is rattled out of position, good recovery going on but ( i am now behind the goalie he's out swimming) I had the the bad angle shot covered but they squeaked it past my leg and the post. Goalie gets up and #%@&^#*@& get out of my $^@&$ way when you come in. How the hell do I know what he's going to do?? What's the protocol?? I was born yesterday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krev 86 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 Communication is key. Talk to him before the game and get him to just leave it behind the net from now on. If he doesn't, screw him, not your fault he makes bad plays. Though I'm just guessing this is adult hockey here. If it's competitive, take it up with the coach, but he'd be on top of that by now I would think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 If you want him to leave it, you should be yelling "leave it, leave it" or something similar. At the very least he will now know there is traffic on the way. I also think it would depend on how good your goalie is with the puck. We now have a goalie that is very good with the puck and we back off and let him make whatever play he wants. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skoda10 14 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 If you want him to leave it, you should be yelling "leave it, leave it" or something similar. At the very least he will now know there is traffic on the way. I also think it would depend on how good your goalie is with the puck. We now have a goalie that is very good with the puck and we back off and let him make whatever play he wants.Chadd has hit the nail on the head. Communicate, and if the goalie is good at playing the puck let him do whatever he wants. I recently played on a team with the most active beer league goalie I've ever seen, took a few games for me to adjust to him just passing the puck up. We even had some of our D that would pass it back to him, a la soccer.9 times out of 10 the goalie knows where the pressure is coming from, after all he's still looking at the play after you've turned to track down the dump in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Law Goalie 147 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 It really is first and foremost about the communication from the goalie to the D. The goalie reads the play, makes the decision to pass or place the puck for the D, and calls the play. If the goalie's not up for that, the D have to be telling him what to do, as Chadd indicated.That ability to read and communicate is what separates a goalie with good puck-handling *skills* (eg. Turco, Price, etc.) from one who is a truly great possession goalie like Eddie Belfour. He almost never turned the puck over or put his D in a bad spot: always made sure to place it on the D's forehand side (subtle, but crucial), always gave them an angle on the net for protection from the forecheck, and never forced a pass or made one that put his D under pressure. One of the major problems many of the skilled guys have (Turco is especially bad for this) is over-handling the puck. I can't count the number of times he's been caught trying to make a cute pass and been burned, or forced a long pass up ice and created a turnover.At the beer-league level (sans scouts), the other thing that over-handling the puck does is give the opposition a read on what your goalie's habits and abilities are. Unless there's an absolutely golden opportunity for a clear-cut breakaway or odd-man rush, I'll rarely make a pass longer than six feet in the first half of a game. I don't want the other team knowing I have the ability to hit a guy in stride at the far blueline, and I certainly don't want them thinking I'll try it every time I touch the puck if we're down a goal. Teams that are facing a goalie who makes a lot of long, hard passes will often give up the forecheck entirely, which means that goalie's team effectively has to fight through a trap all game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MLSman 22 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 If you want him to leave it, you should be yelling "leave it, leave it" or something similar. At the very least he will now know there is traffic on the way.Bingo.Simple communication and repetition:"Leave it Leave it""Got time got time""Left Left""Right Right""Other way Other way""Eat it Eat it"That about covers my repertoire, and works extremely well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pantherfan 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 "Eat it" = "Freeze it" ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Law Goalie 147 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 Jam it against the boards, take the hits, and try to fall on it if at all possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
camhockey16 5 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 i like to yell "cover" as well - i've had a few crappy goalies in my day Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark#81 0 Report post Posted November 22, 2009 i have a goofy mouthguard so it is really difficult to do anything except one-word call for a pass.the goalie does like to handle /pass out the puck he's very good at it - played rep, Jr. B scored a goal once in a league game. but i also like to use my speed to get back early and turn it back up ice with speed, that is the most fun of playing D for me.(after reading through the replies) I realize up to now he's the one making the decisions and it's up to me to read the play.i think if he gets to it first - he's on his own, if i get to it first, it's all mine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ndlancer95 0 Report post Posted November 22, 2009 my repitoire consists of leave it the f!?k alone and you got time cant complicate things for a first year goalie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
87vert 0 Report post Posted November 22, 2009 communicate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bravada 442 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2009 Every goalie is different, but one of my goalies and us guys on D have a very simple setup. If the goalie has only one hand on his stick when hes stopping the puck behind the net, he's leaving it. If he has both hands on the stick, hes going to play it around the boards or stick handle or whatever.We still talk and try and let him know what to do, but its easy to know exactly what he is thinking depending on the number of hands he has on his stick... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted November 23, 2009 i think if he gets to it first - he's on his own, if i get to it first, it's all mine.Having a race to the puck in order to be the one to play it is not a good idea. Let him hit you with the outlet pass and then he gets to play the puck and you get to skate with it. Win-win situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotty 7 Report post Posted November 23, 2009 our goalie last season played the puck 95% of the time, knowing his habits is the only way to succeed if you choose not to communicate on the fly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RadioGaGa 162 Report post Posted November 23, 2009 They were talking about this during the Edmonton game the other night. Apparently Deslaurier and Khabby use different phrases...adn the coaches are trying to get them to all use the same words to cut down the confusion between Goalies and D-men. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NuggyBuggy 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2009 If you want him to leave it, you should be yelling "leave it, leave it" or something similar.Shouldn't the goalie be the one deciding what to do with the play ? He has the best view of what is unfolding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted November 23, 2009 If you want him to leave it, you should be yelling "leave it, leave it" or something similar.Shouldn't the goalie be the one deciding what to do with the play ? He has the best view of what is unfolding.Depends on the goalie. It's hard to find a goalie that can play the puck well and make accurate passes. In beer leagues you usually get goalies that just rim it hard around the glass or flip it out of the zone if they play the puck. Unless I have a guy forechecking hard, I want to make the pass up the ice. I am far more accurate with my passes than most goalies and can do a better job of starting an attack. Plus most goalies will have to turn their back to the play in order to go back and get the puck. I can look around and evaluate the play right up until I get to the puck, except for the area directly behind me. If he's in the net and/or I have pressure, I want him calling the play. Otherwise, I want him to stay out of my way.That's all a generalization by the way, my current goalie is damn good with the stick. I usually just get lazy and wait for him to send it up to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Law Goalie 147 Report post Posted November 23, 2009 Ugh, the blind rim - the staple of the smart beer-league winger's turnover diet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
