Blade Insertion

[BucksAway 16]

Hi

I have 2 shafts the first one is a warrior dolomite and i got it a couple of months ago.

When i inserted the Warrio Pro Stock blade into that i had to force it.

The second one i got is a SE16 thanks to fatwabbit.... when i went to insert the blade it required little force compared to the warrior?

My question is how do i know if the blade is 100% secure inside the shaft? There was glue over 3/4 of the blade hosel thing and only a little bit seeped out when i inserted the blade

Also how long do you have to wait befoe the glu is completly hardened and it is ready to use

Thanks

[shotty 7]

if you can pull on it with great force and feel no movement, it's good to go. i've put a blade in in the dressing room before getting ready and it was ready to go for warm ups. the shaft/glue cool down fairly quickly.

as an added tidbit of info, it's not so much the glue thats holding it in (it does help) but the shaft walls retracting onto the blade's hosel that really help to keep it secure. the glue kind of acts as a lubricant and a secondary binding.

[Chadd 916]

Once the shaft cools fully, an hour or so, hold the shaft in one hand and wiggle the blade with the other. If it moves more than a hair, it's loose and will work its way out. Pull the blade out, put some tape over the top of the tenon, and glue it in place again.

[BucksAway 16]

Thanks for the reply, im pretty sure its stuck in the properly.

Im playing in about 3 hours so we will see what happens then, if it starts moving and wobbling a little i will stop and play with the other stick

[mack 44]

I wiggle it but also just knock the blade on a hard surface. If it's loose you'll get a ping-ish kind of sound that just sounds like it's broken.

[BucksAway 16]

Alright just finished and got home stick went perfectly not a worry in the world

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[anko 3]

I'm particular about super-tight blades, I put tape on the tenon most every time. It's probably irrational, but I'm convinced puck feel travels up the shaft better with a tight blade.

[start_today 778]

as an added tidbit of info, it's not so much the glue thats holding it in (it does help) but the shaft walls retracting onto the blade's hosel that really help to keep it secure. the glue kind of acts as a lubricant and a secondary binding.

Is this correct? Are you saying the heating the shaft makes it expand?

[cptjeff 0]

as an added tidbit of info, it's not so much the glue thats holding it in (it does help) but the shaft walls retracting onto the blade's hosel that really help to keep it secure. the glue kind of acts as a lubricant and a secondary binding.

Is this correct? Are you saying the heating the shaft makes it expand?

That's a fairly basic part of material science- thermal expansion. All materials expand or contract depending on temperature, it's just a matter of how much. When your shaft is heated, it expands. If you heat the shaft and not the blade, the shaft will be larger and the blade will be normal size. As the shaft cools down, it'll clinch down on the blade, even after the glue has cooled enough to where it won't flow. The glue will compress and provide even more pressure.

So yeah, he's exactly right.

[mack 44]

But you don't know for sure? I have this cousin Marcus who saw one. He said it blew his mind I want to make sure I never ever miss out on a Halley's comet.

[shotty 7]

it's not illegal, it's frowned upon.

[Skoda10 14]

Semi related to this topic; I always get a ton of extra glue oozing out upon insertion, and that ends up as a wicked mess all over the shaft and usually the kitchen (I use the stove top for heat).

Could I be heating the glue on the blade too much and not heating the shaft enough? I've always been under the impression that I need the glue to be totally melted, like a glue gun for it to push down in the shaft and stick.

[fatwabbit 93]

Skoda, you should be fine. YOu might want to get some of the glue off first before insertion since you said there is too much.

[Chadd 916]

Semi related to this topic; I always get a ton of extra glue oozing out upon insertion, and that ends up as a wicked mess all over the shaft and usually the kitchen (I use the stove top for heat).

Could I be heating the glue on the blade too much and not heating the shaft enough? I've always been under the impression that I need the glue to be totally melted, like a glue gun for it to push down in the shaft and stick.

If it is a tight fit, you may not end up with much glue between the tenon and the shaft when you are done. I apply the glue when it is thick and almost gel-like, that prevents it from running too much and allows it to cool quickly once the blade is inserted.

[chk hrd 164]

Semi related to this topic; I always get a ton of extra glue oozing out upon insertion, and that ends up as a wicked mess all over the shaft and usually the kitchen (I use the stove top for heat).

Could I be heating the glue on the blade too much and not heating the shaft enough? I've always been under the impression that I need the glue to be totally melted, like a glue gun for it to push down in the shaft and stick.

put some tape around the shaft and let the glue ooze onto it, let it cool a little and pull the tape off

[Conrads6 0]

IF you have a lot of glue coming off when you insert the blade you could always remove the blade and use a screwdriver to gather up the glue, heat the glue and then wipe it inside of the shaft in the first half inch....that will get you some glue coverage for the whole tenon.

[Demangone 0]

Semi related to this topic; I always get a ton of extra glue oozing out upon insertion, and that ends up as a wicked mess all over the shaft and usually the kitchen (I use the stove top for heat).

Could I be heating the glue on the blade too much and not heating the shaft enough? I've always been under the impression that I need the glue to be totally melted, like a glue gun for it to push down in the shaft and stick.

I highly recommend picking up a heat gun at Lowes or Home Depot, or really any hardware store. They usually sell them for paint removal or to lift up linoleum tile. You can get them for $20-$25. I get really nervous any time someone says they use a stove for this, I don't want you to burn yourself or your house down.

[Skoda10 14]

Oh, I've burnt myself many a time. Although it's usually from being dumb and wiping the excess glue off before it's cool enough to touch.

No kitchen fires yet. My wife doesn't appreciate the smell of the glue that drops onto the burner though.

Thanks everyone for the good tips.

[Chadd 916]

Oh, I've burnt myself many a time. Although it's usually from being dumb and wiping the excess glue off before it's cool enough to touch.

No kitchen fires yet. My wife doesn't appreciate the smell of the glue that drops onto the burner though.

Thanks everyone for the good tips.

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[shotty 7]

Semi related to this topic; I always get a ton of extra glue oozing out upon insertion, and that ends up as a wicked mess all over the shaft and usually the kitchen (I use the stove top for heat).

Could I be heating the glue on the blade too much and not heating the shaft enough? I've always been under the impression that I need the glue to be totally melted, like a glue gun for it to push down in the shaft and stick.

dont heat the blade at all. the residual heat from the shaft will heat the glue.

[Chadd 916]

Semi related to this topic; I always get a ton of extra glue oozing out upon insertion, and that ends up as a wicked mess all over the shaft and usually the kitchen (I use the stove top for heat).

Could I be heating the glue on the blade too much and not heating the shaft enough? I've always been under the impression that I need the glue to be totally melted, like a glue gun for it to push down in the shaft and stick.

dont heat the blade at all. the residual heat from the shaft will heat the glue.

You need to heat the glue to get it on to the tenon.

[Brian Harte 1]

Stopped by Harbor Freight the other day randomly and they had a parking lot sale.

Got myself that orange heat gun you linked.

$10.

Could NOT be happier with it.

[shotty 7]

dont heat the blade at all. the residual heat from the shaft will heat the glue.

You need to heat the glue to get it on to the tenon.

I figured majority of people put glue on the tenon much in advance. if not, throw it in the fridge or freezer for a few minutes. I find that if the glue is even slighlry warmer than it's solid state, it's not as effective at staying in place.

[epstud74 24]

I got my heat gun at a local hardware store. How is the quality of the $10 heat gun?

[Chadd 916]

I figured majority of people put glue on the tenon much in advance. if not, throw it in the fridge or freezer for a few minutes. I find that if the glue is even slighlry warmer than it's solid state, it's not as effective at staying in place.

I disagree. If it is solid, it won't adhere to anything.

I got my heat gun at a local hardware store. How is the quality of the $10 heat gun?

Fine for blades and butt ends, I wouldn't use it for anything major though.