Nabakov=Hoser

[larrivee 3]

Grabbed off re-entry waivers by the Islanders, refusing to report.

wwwwaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

[vek 0]

Grabbed off re-entry waivers by the Islanders, refusing to report.

wwwwaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

Heh, I don't blame him. For 200K, I would figure Detroit, with a chance at postseason success and competent management/ownership is a lot more attractive than Long Island.

[nicholus.h 0]

Grabbed off re-entry waivers by the Islanders, refusing to report.

wwwwaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

I bet there's lots of players in the league that have places they just don't want to play. He never agreed to play for the Islanders. I think it's beyond reasonable for him to refuse to report for a job that he doesn't want.

It's like if you went to McDonald's and ordered lunch and instead they brought you out Burger King. Fuck that. Maybe you don't want Burger King. If you don't want it, you're not any less of a person for not eating food you didn't order.

[RadioGaGa 162]

Grabbed off re-entry waivers by the Islanders, refusing to report.

wwwwaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

It's not like he is a 18yr old refusing a draft. He and his agent negociated with Detroit, not NYI. This is the problem JD had with Wellwod. You do all the work to sign him and another team just gets to step in and take him.

[larrivee 3]

He knew the rules and the risks of going through re-entry waivers. Everyone in the league (and outside of it) knew he would get picked up. Why od you think TBL didn't bother with him when they needed a goaltender so bad?

Refusing to report is a childish move. It's just as bad as an 18 year old holdout, possibly worse.

He bolted from the NHL because he didnt get the contract he wanted, then comes back begging for a job, then refuses to go to work when he doesnt get the job he wants.

[psh 25]

Heh, I don't blame him. For 200K, I would figure Detroit, with a chance at postseason success and competent management/ownership is a lot more attractive than Long Island.

Agreed. I think this is really about next year for Nabby, too. He's thinking he needs all the games he can get during the regular AND POST SEASON to position himself to re-enter the NHL next season. With the Islander's situation, there is little chance he'd be playing a lot during the regular season and no chance he'd get playoff games. With Osgood's injury, Nabakov is likely to get lots of games in the regular season, and maybe even get some playoff games.

[nicholus.h 0]

It's not like he is a 18yr old refusing a draft. He and his agent negociated with Detroit, not NYI. This is the problem JD had with Wellwod. You do all the work to sign him and another team just gets to step in and take him.

Yeah, and it's a damn cheap contract for a player who has established himself as a legitimate NHL goalie. You can say all you want about playoffs, but he has 10 years of NHL service, at the very least (and a few years of quality playoff goaltending if you look at the stats) and I think he's earned the right to refuse this situation, which would be pretty damn bad for him. Getting paid near league minimum for a nearly last place team? I think there's a lot of veterans of his caliber that would say "thanks, but no thanks."

[noodle3872 40]

If the remainder of the season is going to set Nabby up for a fat contract in the 2011/12 season then he should report to NYI and play his ass off. I hope the Islanders suspend him without pay until he reports. As mentioned earlier, he bolted because he couldn't get a deal done in the NHL. Now he wants back in the NHL, he's gotta play by the rules that exist.

[nicholus.h 0]

He knew the rules and the risks of going through re-entry waivers. Everyone in the league (and outside of it) knew he would get picked up. Why od you think TBL didn't bother with him when they needed a goaltender so bad?

Refusing to report is a childish move. It's just as bad as an 18 year old holdout, possibly worse.

He bolted from the NHL because he didnt get the contract he wanted, then comes back begging for a job, then refuses to go to work when he doesnt get the job he wants.

He knew the rules and risks of re-entry waivers, but he also knew that he could very well refuse to play for any team that picked him up on waivers. He signed a contract in hopes that he would end up in Detroit or somewhere else favorable for him and knowing full well that he doesn't have to play for any team he doesn't want to, especially if he didn't sign a contract with that team. Nabokov obviously took a sizeable discount to sign with the Wings. It's not reasonable to expect to him to honor that same discount for a team that isn't what he's looking for.

How is it childish? I don't understand.

If the remainder of the season is going to set Nabby up for a fat contract in the 2011/12 season then he should report to NYI and play his ass off. I hope the Islanders suspend him without pay until he reports. As mentioned earlier, he bolted because he couldn't get a deal done in the NHL. Now he wants back in the NHL, he's gotta play by the rules that exist.

Should he? Maybe it's in his best interest. But I don't think you can argue that he should be forced to. He's an adult, and he has the right to make his own decisions.

He is playing within the rules that exist. He made an agreement with Party A, and Party B expects him to honor that agreement for them instead of Party A. It's well within the rules for him to refuse.

[noodle3872 40]

It's not within the rules for Nabby to refuse to report and honor his NHL contract. This is why NHL teams have the right to suspend without pay.

To put it in a screwy way to explain my perspective; Nabby wanted to be property of the Red Wings. He negotiated and signed a contract with the Red Wings but the contract is actually owned by the NHL. By signing an NHL contract he accepts all the rules and protocols that are used to run the NHL. This is why the NHL has to approve the contract; to ensure it respects the laws of the NHL. The rules being what they are for his situation, he was claimed by the Islanders there by becoming their property. The expectation of the team would be for Nabby to report and being honor his NHL contract which will count against their Salary Cap hit. If he doesn't report to play, the team has to suspend him without pay to ensure they don't lose the cap space his contract would take up.

Why should Nabakov get paid for not providing the service?

[nicholus.h 0]

It's not within the rules for Nabby to refuse to report and honor his NHL contract. This is why NHL teams have the right to suspend without pay.

To put it in a screwy way to explain my perspective; Nabby wanted to be property of the Red Wings. He negotiated and signed a contract with the Red Wings but the contract is actually owned by the NHL. By signing an NHL contract he accepts all the rules and protocols that are used to run the NHL. This is why the NHL has to approve the contract; to ensure it respects the laws of the NHL. The rules being what they are for his situation, he was claimed by the Islanders there by becoming their property. The expectation of the team would be for Nabby to report and being honor his NHL contract which will count against their Salary Cap hit. If he doesn't report to play, the team has to suspend him without pay to ensure they don't lose the cap space his contract would take up.

Why should Nabakov get paid for not providing the service?

He shouldn't be paid. I never said that. I just don't think it's very fair to call him a hoser or a weenie or whatever for deciding not to play for a team that he never agreed to play for.

I don't know much about the NHL SPC, so I guess don't know if it's technically within the rules for him to refuse to report. All I know is that he's a 10-year veteran with a pretty good track record. He agreed to play for near league minimum for the Red Wings and not the Islanders. He is completely reasonable in not wanting to play for a near-last place team for near the league minimum. I think it would be better for him overall to play for the Islanders, but it's not at all unreasonable for him not to.

It's like if you wanted to work for Company A because you like what they do and how they do it and they're in a great location, so you turn down a bunch of other job offers for more money because you want to work at Company A. Then, before your first day, somebody tells you that you have to work for Company B under the contract you signed for Company A. That's bullshit and if you refused to show up at Company B, that doesn't make you a hoser. Fuck Company B, you shouldn't be forced to work there under terms you never agreed to.

[wrangler 157]

He shouldn't be paid. I never said that. I just don't think it's very fair to call him a hoser or a weenie or whatever for deciding not to play for a team that he never agreed to play for.

I don't know much about the NHL SPC, so I guess don't know if it's technically within the rules for him to refuse to report. All I know is that he's a 10-year veteran with a pretty good track record. He agreed to play for near league minimum for the Red Wings and not the Islanders. He is completely reasonable in not wanting to play for a near-last place team for near the league minimum. I think it would be better for him overall to play for the Islanders, but it's not at all unreasonable for him not to.

It's like if you wanted to work for Company A because you like what they do and how they do it and they're in a great location, so you turn down a bunch of other job offers for more money because you want to work at Company A. Then, before your first day, somebody tells you that you have to work for Company B under the contract you signed for Company A. That's bullshit and if you refused to show up at Company B, that doesn't make you a hoser. Fuck Company B, you shouldn't be forced to work there under terms you never agreed to.

Nobody can make you work for them in the U.S. The most they can do is prevent you from performing the same service for someone else.

[Half 2]

It's not within the rules for Nabby to refuse to report and honor his NHL contract. This is why NHL teams have the right to suspend without pay.

If Nabokov is a claimed by a team but decides it is not a team for which he would like to play, he has the right not to report and not play in the NHL for the balance of the season. From a TSN article. One of those rules that applies since he played in Europe this season.

[TBLfan 25]

He knew the rules and the risks of going through re-entry waivers. Everyone in the league (and outside of it) knew he would get picked up. Why od you think TBL didn't bother with him when they needed a goaltender so bad?

Refusing to report is a childish move. It's just as bad as an 18 year old holdout, possibly worse.

He bolted from the NHL because he didnt get the contract he wanted, then comes back begging for a job, then refuses to go to work when he doesnt get the job he wants.

...because he's worse than Smith, Ellis, Roloson, and probably Desjardins.

[bandits_5 18]

...because he's worse than Smith, Ellis, Roloson, and probably Desjardins.

Thats not fair. In his defence , he was waaaaaaayyyyyyy over used and abused in SJ. He was normally in the top of all goalie statistics, till the year wore on , and his play declined. Given the proper rest and recouperation time he is as good or better than all of the above.

[TBLfan 25]

Thats not fair. In his defence , he was waaaaaaayyyyyyy over used and abused in SJ. He was normally in the top of all goalie statistics, till the year wore on , and his play declined. Given the proper rest and recouperation time he is as good or better than all of the above.

I've watched SJ a lot over the past 4 years, he SUCKS. Numbers are a team stat for the most part, the Sharks did a wonderful job at keeping the shots from bad angles or from the point. If he played in the East and didn't play in Boston he'd be near the bottom statistically.

[noodle3872 40]

If Nabokov is a claimed by a team but decides it is not a team for which he would like to play, he has the right not to report and not play in the NHL for the balance of the season. From a TSN article. One of those rules that applies since he played in Europe this season.

Actually the article states Nabokov is now under contract with the Islanders. To me this means, the Islanders are paying his contractually agreed upon salary (even though the contract was negotiated with another team). A contract is an agreement between parties. Under the rules at play, Nabby agreed to a contract but was taken by another team. Because Nabby is refusing to report, the team is now without an asset. Surely the team will take action to preserve its interests by suspending the player without pay.

You are right, he can refuse to report and suffer the consequences. One of the consequences could be being suspended without pay since he's not providing a service. But I highly doubt any professional sports league has a rule which allows a player under contract to refuse to report to his team without repercussions.

TSN Nabokov

[RiSeOnFiRe 0]

Please please please please toll this contract. Nothings better than a 6-pack of spite.

[larrivee 3]

It's not within the rules for Nabby to refuse to report and honor his NHL contract. This is why NHL teams have the right to suspend without pay.

To put it in a screwy way to explain my perspective; Nabby wanted to be property of the Red Wings. He negotiated and signed a contract with the Red Wings but the contract is actually owned by the NHL. By signing an NHL contract he accepts all the rules and protocols that are used to run the NHL. This is why the NHL has to approve the contract; to ensure it respects the laws of the NHL. The rules being what they are for his situation, he was claimed by the Islanders there by becoming their property. The expectation of the team would be for Nabby to report and being honor his NHL contract which will count against their Salary Cap hit. If he doesn't report to play, the team has to suspend him without pay to ensure they don't lose the cap space his contract would take up.

Why should Nabakov get paid for not providing the service?

Exactly!

[Krev 86]

The whole waiver process needs to be changed. I blame that more than Nabokov or either organization.

[Chadd 916]

Don't start topics just to insult someone. I know some of you aren't adults, but those that are should act like them.

If you want to discuss the situation, feel free to do so in the transaction forum where the topic belongs.