Underrated / Overrated

[Demangone 0]

luongo has a .926 save % and a 2.22 GAA

bryzgalovs is .913 and has a 2.74 GAA

bryzgalov is not under rated. he's an average nhl goalie.

I thought we were going on the past couple of seasons and not just current stats. Bryzgalov has won a cup, was waived and subsequently picked up as a starting goaltender for a team that hadn't made the playoffs for years and then became a playoff team. He also put up 42 wins last year with a team that went through a lot of crap with ownership and relocation. Luongo has shit himself the past couple of years in big playoff games after putting up good regular season numbers.

[chippa13 1844]

Bryzgalov is better than average and has been one of the biggest reasons for the Yotes improvements over the last couple of seasons.

[mug25 2]

Nope, I've never been impressed with the Michelin man. Seeing his team miss the playoffs because of a shootout loss was icing on the cake.

You must not have paid much attention to that game. Lundqvist did NOT lose that game for the Rangers. The Joker did. If you watch every Rangers game this season (like I have) you'll see that it's Lundqvist that keeps the Rangers in any form of playoff contention. Overrated? Dont think so.

If you want to boil it down to stats we can do that.

[Demangone 0]

You must not have paid much attention to that game. Lundqvist did NOT lose that game for the Rangers. The Joker did. If you watch every Rangers game this season (like I have) you'll see that it's Lundqvist that keeps the Rangers in any form of playoff contention. Overrated? Dont think so.

If you want to boil it down to stats we can do that.

First of all, stop taking it personally that I said someone is overrated. It's my opinion and you're still allowed to love the player, we can disagree. Jokinen (also hugely overrated) wasn't responsible for Briere and Giroux scoring in the shootout.

[dsjunior1388 81]

First of all, stop taking it personally that I said someone is overrated. It's my opinion and you're still allowed to love the player, we can disagree. Jokinen (also hugely overrated) wasn't responsible for Briere and Giroux scoring in the shootout.

Shootout is hardly a fair judge of goaltending prowess. Quite frankly its hardly a good judge of anything. A stat came out early in the year that basically said regardless of shooters or goalies, the shootout is barely more than a coin flip anyway.

In particular, its not at all fair to diminish a guy closing in on 400 games played by a single game that didn't go his way.

[Demangone 0]

Shootout is hardly a fair judge of goaltending prowess. Quite frankly its hardly a good judge of anything. A stat came out early in the year that basically said regardless of shooters or goalies, the shootout is barely more than a coin flip anyway.

In particular, its not at all fair to diminish a guy closing in on 400 games played by a single game that didn't go his way.

Who cares? I said that I thought he was overrated, the OP took offense to this and assumed that I must be joking. I said no and that this specific (highly important) shootout, the one that was the difference between making the playoffs and not making the playoffs, was just the icing on the cake. That was me saying that I most definitely formed my opinion from performances other than this one shootout.

[dsjunior1388 81]

Who cares? I said that I thought he was overrated, the OP took offense to this and assumed that I must be joking. I said no and that this specific (highly important) shootout, the one that was the difference between making the playoffs and not making the playoffs, was just the icing on the cake. That was me saying that I most definitely formed my opinion from performances other than this one shootout.

I was fairly debating your statement.

I don't think the OP took offense, I think he was also hoping to debate your opinion. Granted, he has a bit of a bias as a Ranger fan but he was playing by the rules, so to speak. You have every right to think Lundquist is overrated.

[Hradsky 1]

Phil Kessel.

[dsjunior1388 81]

Phil Kessel.

Under or over?

[Krev 86]

My guess would be over. I'm inclined to agree, but he is playing in Toronto mostly by himself.

[goaliemanshark 6]

I'd say underrated. He reminds me of a smaller Rick Nash with a better shot.

Dany Heatley: Overrated

Marleau: Underrated

Lehtonen: Underrated (other then last night)

Pavelec: Underrated

Enstrom: Underrated

Gonna go out on a limb here...

Perry: Overrated... I just dont like pests maybe

[Leafsrule16 5]

Phil Kessel.

Overrated. The leafs could have Seguin and a top player from next years draft, both of which will likely amount to a far better player then Kessel in a short time. I know that the leafs wanted an instant scoring but they didnt need Kessel. He can't put up the numbers to justify trading the picks to get him. Hes a decent hockey player but what they gave to get him is way too much and will have a direct outcome on the leafs for years to come. Losing teams rely on the draft to rebuild, not trading away their picks.

[chippa13 1844]

You can't really gauge the trade for about 5 years when you see what Seguin and the next draft pick pan out to.

[dsjunior1388 81]

I'd say underrated. He reminds me of a smaller Rick Nash with a better shot.

Dany Heatley: Overrated

Marleau: Underrated

Lehtonen: Underrated (other then last night)

Pavelec: Underrated

Enstrom: Underrated

Gonna go out on a limb here...

Perry: Overrated... I just dont like pests maybe

I think the fact that perry is a pest and a punk distracts people from how good he is.

[Hradsky 1]

Phil Kessel.

Actually I was going to say overrated by some, and underrated by others. Obviously not worth two top five picks but you never know, they may both bust while Kessel can score 30-40 goals a year. So Kessel is overrated by Brian Burke.

But he's actually a pretty darn good player, he's very fast, aggressive and has a great shot. I would say underrated actually. He shouldn't have gone last in the ASG draft if people were looking for skill

[chippa13 1844]

Remember, when the deal for Kessel was made there were some who were looking optimistically at the Leafs as a team that wouldn't challenge for the Cup but would push for a playoff spot. As little as I think of Burke's ability as a GM, I doubt he would have made the deal knowing he was giving up 2 top five picks.

[phunky_monkey 6]

Underrated: Aaron Asham

[s_franchise 5]

overrated: phil kessel, martin havlat, yuri hudler

underated: T.j. Oshie, Val filppula, john-m. Liles, darren helm

[goaliemanshark 6]

YES! Darren Helm... so underated. Ville Leino also.

[Joshison 1]

You can't really gauge the trade for about 5 years when you see what Seguin and the next draft pick pan out to.

Well you can base it on this, when you need to rebuild a team you do it through the draft not trading away your picks and getting one player who is mediocre. You can't possibly know how Seguin will turn out in the future but you already know Kessel isn't capable of taking that team to the playoffs.

[chippa13 1844]

No single player, with the exception of a rare goaltender, really has the ability to single-handedly carry a team into the playoffs. I don't think folks were expecting the collective failures of the acquisitions of Beauchemin, Phaneuf, and Komisarek. Plus, people were expecting a bit of a resurgence for Giguerre and held high hopes for Gustavsson. Neither of those turned out as hoped. I don't think it is too fair to blame Kessel for not making the playoffs when half of your defense and your goaltending tandem performed far below expectations.

[Joshison 1]

No single player, with the exception of a rare goaltender, really has the ability to single-handedly carry a team into the playoffs. I don't think folks were expecting the collective failures of the acquisitions of Beauchemin, Phaneuf, and Komisarek. Plus, people were expecting a bit of a resurgence for Giguerre and held high hopes for Gustavsson. Neither of those turned out as hoped. I don't think it is too fair to blame Kessel for not making the playoffs when half of your defense and your goaltending tandem performed far below expectations.

I guess my point here is, Kessel was a quick fix for the leafs so the fans would think their doing something. When in reality two picks would have helped the teams future imo. Kind of funny this cropped up today when I went on THN http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/38196-THNcom-Blog-Kessel-situation-a-real-mess-for-Maple-Leafs.html

[camhockey16 5]

i wouldnt be surprised that he uses the fact that he made the all star game as an argument too - something like "i made the all-star game so i must be doing something right - so it's not me, it's either the system or the coach"

[chippa13 1844]

Kessel is playing the context card here....

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=352844

This makes it sound like the THN blog could be much ado about nothing. You've got a team that is losing and that usually leads to the press picking the scapegoat. I can only imagine what the Boston papers/bloggers would be saying about Horton right now if the B's were in the Leafs shoes.

[camhockey16 5]

drama is nothing new in toronto or montreal for that matter - kessel has gone into full damage control now anyway..