Bourne column: stick sponsorships

[JR Boucicaut 3805]

I believe you're missing the point here.

[wetwilly17 6]

As far as his comments on Thornton's gloves, I was the Eagle rep dealing with Joe at the time Joe did his deal with CCM. Joe never wore "our" glove because he liked Eagle better; he had no clue that it was Eagle making his gloves!

i don't understand the issue. so thorton wore eagle gloves that were branded ccm, but unknowingly? doesn't that still mean that he liked the eagle glove better, despite not knowing that it was actually an eagle? if that is the case, then there is nothing wrong with this statement from the article:

"Here's a random example: say Joe Thornton likes Eagle gloves, but has a deal to use CCM. Well, CCM will get him Eagle gloves, then custom-modify them to look like their latest CCM's — if your name is big enough, this can be made to work with sticks (and skates) as well. Talk about the best of both worlds."

[JR Boucicaut 3805]

Yes, it would.

The way Bourne said it, it would imply that Thornton liked Eagle gloves, so he told them to get him a pair of Eagles and modify the glove to look like a CCM.

What JYA is saying is that Thornton had no clue it was Eagle making the glove.

Two completely different things said there.

[t6lock 24]

This is why I don't read blogs. Too many opinions/statements from people that may or may not be true, which I don't care about. I'll stick to watching hockey for entertainment :)

[JR Boucicaut 3805]

And that's the difference.

The glove was made at Eagle, yes, but, it was not an Eagle glove.

The glove Joe likes is a CCM Pro Model that Eagle manufactured for CCM, and that was patterned from CCM dies (I don't recall the model number).

A few seasons back, when CCM went to the then MIA to make their pro gloves, the endorsee gloves were all made at Eagle with the old CCM dies (and the new CCM logo). I want to say Mikko Koivu, Scott Gomez, Langenbrunner, were a few of the players that had their gloves made there, including Thornton.

When I was the Eagle pro rep, I made Mark Smith (then San Jose Sharks) "Eagle CP94" using the CCM dies, as CCM told him they would no longer make him the glove with the CCM logo on it.

I also made that same glove for Jussi Jokinen when he was in Dallas, Antti Miettinen (Dallas), and Tim Gleason (LA). As a matter of fact, someone here on MSH bought the Gleason's from me; I believe I pulled his name out of the cuff.

[wrangler 157]

The glove was made at Eagle, yes, but, it was not an Eagle glove.

The glove Joe likes is a CCM Pro Model that Eagle manufactured for CCM, and that was patterned from CCM dies (I don't recall the model number).

A few seasons back, when CCM went to the then MIA to make their pro gloves, the endorsee gloves were all made at Eagle with the old CCM dies (and the new CCM logo). I want to say Mikko Koivu, Scott Gomez, Langenbrunner, were a few of the players that had their gloves made there, including Thornton.

When I was the Eagle pro rep, I made Mark Smith (then San Jose Sharks) "Eagle CP94" using the CCM dies, as CCM told him they would no longer make him the glove with the CCM logo on it.

I also made that same glove for Jere Lehtinen (Dallas), Jussi Jokinen (Dallas), Antti Miettinen (Dallas), and Tim Gleason (LA). As a matter of fact, someone here on MSH bought the Gleason's from me; I believe I pulled his name out of the cuff.

Seems to me if it's made to CCM specs, it's a CCM glove, whether it's oem from Eagle or Binford Glove Factory.

[Axxion89 32]

Is rebranding actually happening/legal? For example, a Bauer stick being painted as an Easton. I've been wondering ever since the rumours about Ovechkin using a one95 under his U+ CL graphics started (although I don't think that was true). Seems like it would infringe on some sort of advertising laws to me.

Can't speak for the hockey industry but I know that for many other things such as medicine, clothing, and food stuffs, private label/store brand products are made by name brand manufacturers most of the time.

[acollette49 0]

i dont get the hate for bourne. ive never read his comments about playing as being negative. nor have i read them as being bitter about not being in the show. hell, ive seen him describe himself as being 'not very good' at hockey.

if we look at being a pro player as a job, it makes sense that there will be complaints about travel, etc. that happens in all jobs. well payed or not. things that wed give a nut to do and otherwise.

it also helps to realize that most players, pro or not, dont know much about the gear they use.

we are a small minority. people like jr and junkyard are an even smaller minority. they have direct knowledge that very few of us can ever hope to have.

were bournes comments ill informed? yes, and at this point they make him look irresponsible. no doubt.

[Chadd 916]

Why is it that every time this guy spews bullshit, we have a multi-page topic full of crap? The guy is less accurate than a blind man at the shooting range.

[Jarick 5]

One comment doesn't invalidate everything the guy's ever written though.

[halfmoonyote 0]

Jarick, with all due respect, do you even know Justin Bourne, 'the player'? You seem to eat up his commentary like you have a great history with him.

What exactly is the 'validity' in all of his commentary? In other words, I am asking you personally, what you find so riveting about his information?

[Chadd 916]

One comment doesn't invalidate everything the guy's ever written though.

In his case it would be more accurate to say that one comment doesn't validate everything he has ever said.

[AIREAYE 248]

I agree with Jarick, the only blogs i've read are the two gear ones. He's not trying to screw us over, he only posted what he saw form his own experiences, whether they are limited/incorrect or no. It's not like he's proclaiming that everything he says is the fact. Interpreting it as fact is up to the reader's judgment.

[wetwilly17 6]

The glove was made at Eagle, yes, but, it was not an Eagle glove.

The glove Joe likes is a CCM Pro Model that Eagle manufactured for CCM, and that was patterned from CCM dies (I don't recall the model number).

A few seasons back, when CCM went to the then MIA to make their pro gloves, the endorsee gloves were all made at Eagle with the old CCM dies (and the new CCM logo). I want to say Mikko Koivu, Scott Gomez, Langenbrunner, were a few of the players that had their gloves made there, including Thornton.

When I was the Eagle pro rep, I made Mark Smith (then San Jose Sharks) "Eagle CP94" using the CCM dies, as CCM told him they would no longer make him the glove with the CCM logo on it.

I also made that same glove for Jere Lehtinen (Dallas), Jussi Jokinen (Dallas), Antti Miettinen (Dallas), and Tim Gleason (LA). As a matter of fact, someone here on MSH bought the Gleason's from me; I believe I pulled his name out of the cuff.

semantics aside, isn't what bourne saying true? yes or no: is it not true that if a high caliber nhler has a contract with one company but doesn't like their product that he will get what he wants even if it is another brand, rebranded if necessary? yes or no?

i think you are getting too caught up into specific details - "can't see the forest for the trees". i say this respectfully, just my opinion

[dsjunior1388 81]

semantics aside, isn't what bourne saying true? yes or no: is it not true that if a high caliber nhler has a contract with one company but doesn't like their product that he will get what he wants even if it is another brand, rebranded if necessary? yes or no?

i think you are getting too caught up into specific details - "can't see the forest for the trees". i say this respectfully, just my opinion

They've made it pretty clear several times that it is not true.

[interpathway 9]

Jarick, with all due respect, do you even know Justin Bourne, 'the player'? You seem to eat up his commentary like you have a great history with him.

It is called giving people the benefit of the doubt.

Westerners used to be born with this idea, but a combination of back-stabbing and proliferation of information on the internet has seemed to make this admirable trait shrink in numbers.

[Jarick 5]

Been reading him for a year plus, talked with him a few times, was going to meet up with him this weekend at the Expo but my kid got sick. I just don't dig a whole bunch of people anonymously ripping the guy to shreds over one comment. I respect a lot of the people here, but some people are talking behind the safety of the internet...not really like they would talk face to face, which is how I try to act on the internet.

[halfmoonyote 0]

It is called giving people the benefit of the doubt.

Westerners used to be born with this idea, but a combination of back-stabbing and proliferation of information on the internet has seemed to make this admirable trait shrink in numbers.

Interesting, your altruistic and pseudo intellectual approach. Hmmm. So, I assume you aren't an avid reader - and no, messageboards, blogs and samples of the 100 word variety do not count - I am referring more towards a true literary context? If you do, allow me to share a philosophy with you that too was born of Western literary paths that says 'if you don't know the history of the author, you don't know what you're reading'.

Been reading him for a year plus, talked with him a few times, was going to meet up with him this weekend at the Expo but my kid got sick. I just don't dig a whole bunch of people anonymously ripping the guy to shreds over one comment. I respect a lot of the people here, but some people are talking behind the safety of the internet...not really like they would talk face to face, which is how I try to act on the internet.

That's great, I admire your nobility. And certainly you've never met me because those that do know me here know what I say here is actually what I would say on the ice or 'in person'. So, please, spare me the silly teenage 'anonymous internet bully' rhetoric. And Jarick, as an aside, I had you pegged wrong. I never knew you had a child, or were of that age. I always thought for sure you were much, much younger. Can never judge a book by it's cover.

[interpathway 9]

Interesting, your altruistic and pseudo intellectual approach. Hmmm. So, I assume you aren't an avid reader - and no, messageboards, blogs and samples of the 100 word variety do not count - I am referring more towards a true literary context? If you do, allow me to share a philosophy with you that too was born of Western literary paths that says 'if you don't know the history of the author, you don't know what you're reading'.

No, my English BA was earned on Sunday's comic strips.

'if you don't know the history of the author, you don't know what you're reading'.

This idea might have best been served to yourself...

"Jarick, with all due respect, do you even know Justin Bourne, 'the player'? You seem to eat up his commentary like you have a great history with him".

Jarick is voicing his opinion; you don't know his background either. As J enlightened us, he has knowledge of the author, therefore, he knows more of what was written than either of us; using your Western Literary Path as the basis for that statement.

[AIREAYE 248]

Wouldn't hesitate saying anything to his face, or anyone's for that matter.

Not that anyone would read it, but, maybe I need to fire up a blog of my own, with my opinions and facts on subjects I know...

By the way, reading things on the internet and storing them into ones memory (and spurting them out from time to time) will never out do a hands-on, did it and lived it experience.

YES, see? This approach is much better than for people to just say he's wrong. Good posts by Jarick, and they have nothing to do with this teenage bully thing, it's just common decency to post things online only if you can say it to the person face-to-face and if you can do that, then all the power to you.

[Chadd 916]

Been reading him for a year plus, talked with him a few times, was going to meet up with him this weekend at the Expo but my kid got sick. I just don't dig a whole bunch of people anonymously ripping the guy to shreds over one comment. I respect a lot of the people here, but some people are talking behind the safety of the internet...not really like they would talk face to face, which is how I try to act on the internet.

I use my name and have never hidden behind anything. I also don't hide my true thoughts on products or people, online or in person. I've read a handful of his entries that have been posted here over the last year or so and have seen far more inaccuracies than just one or two. That's the problem with the internet, if you don't know something it can be difficult to tell the difference between truth and bullshit. His status as a former player misleads people into thinking his comments are true, because someone in his position should have known the truth.

[twolinepass 0]

I know for 100% fact that Patrick Marleau's Warrior sticks are real Warrior sticks.:)... I wonder if Warrior is the company he is talking about..

[automorph 0]

Can never judge a book by it's cover.

This couldn't be closer to the truth, for a guy who really is a douche

[JR Boucicaut 3805]

Going nowhere fast.