Shoulder Pad Advice- Broken Collarbone

[Chadd 916]

Perhaps it was the tone I perceived from your posts. You picked them up, deemed them flimsy and unprotective and have pretty much ridiculed the testing. You may feel more comfortable with a more traditional feeling shoulder pad, but in no way do you have any idea whether these shoulder pads are any more or less protective than anything else out there. You may not want to be a test case with your shoulder, however, you can't prove that they're not a very protective pad using newer technologies either.

If you're just saying you're not interested in testing new technology, then you should probably just say that, right?

There is certainly an abrasive tone to your post as well. How about just accepting the fact that he isn't sold on them without being insulting?

[guffaw 0]

Perhaps it was the tone I perceived from your posts. You picked them up, deemed them flimsy and unprotective and have pretty much ridiculed the testing. You may feel more comfortable with a more traditional feeling shoulder pad, but in no way do you have any idea whether these shoulder pads are any more or less protective than anything else out there. You may not want to be a test case with your shoulder, however, you can't prove that they're not a very protective pad using newer technologies either.

If you're just saying you're not interested in testing new technology, then you should probably just say that, right?

I'm not going to get into a back and forth with you sir. I tried the pad on and have my doubts. The impact video is laughable. The pad and it's technology are brand new and unproven. It's not the pad for me at this time although it may prove very protective. If they work for you then my opinion on them shouldn't matter.

There is certainly an abrasive tone to your post as well. How about just accepting the fact that he isn't sold on them without being insulting?

Perhaps I was a bit harsh in my review., but you've got it. I'm just not sold and not interested in being a lab rat when coming back from an injury. I wish i could wear them. By the end of the game i'm probably carrying an extra 1-2lbs on my back with the weight of the pad and sweat absorption.

[Chadd 916]

Perhaps I was a bit harsh in my review., but you've got it. I'm just not sold and not interested in being a lab rat when coming back from an injury. I wish i could wear them. By the end of the game i'm probably carrying an extra 1-2lbs on my back with the weight of the pad and sweat absorption.

There are legitimate questions any time new technology is put on the market.

[Gr8erade 1]

I'm not going to get into a back and forth with you sir. I tried the pad on and have my doubts. The impact video is laughable. The pad and it's technology are brand new and unproven. It's not the pad for me at this time although it may prove very protective. If they work for you then my opinion on them shouldn't matter.

I don't care what you ultimately buy. But when someone "does a search" for a review of these pads - as is always recommended here -, they shouldn't just find your review, which is based on trying on a pair in the store and being dismissive of the technology. You stated your opinion pretty authoritatively (in my opinion) on pads you've never tried. I countered with my experience with the pads. That's all. And let's face it, most people don't give 2 cents for what someone thinks of a pad that they've only picked up in the store. Most people here can do that. And as I said, I had my reservations about them when I had only picked them up for the first time. They're more likely looking for what people think who have actually worn and used them. I've actually done that.

Have a nice day and good luck with whatever it is you decide to go with.

[guffaw 0]

I don't care what you ultimately buy. But when someone "does a search" for a review of these pads - as is always recommended here -, they shouldn't just find your review, which is based on trying on a pair in the store and being dismissive of the technology. You stated your opinion pretty authoritatively (in my opinion) on pads you've never tried. I countered with my experience with the pads. That's all. And let's face it, most people don't give 2 cents for what someone thinks of a pad that they've only picked up in the store. Most people here can do that. And as I said, I had my reservations about them when I had only picked them up for the first time. They're more likely looking for what people think who have actually worn and used them. I've actually done that.

Have a nice day and good luck with whatever it is you decide to go with.

I have a right to give my opinion sir. If someone later reads it and takes it as fact that would be a mistake on their part. Nowhere have i professed to use these pads nor do i have any "proof" they aren't protective.

Again, if you like the pad why do you care what my opinion is? Own stock in CCM?

[jsykes 35]

I'm not sure what video you watched, sounds like it was the one using the thigh pad out of the pants. Here is one specifically related to the CL shoulder cap and its laid right onto the dummy arm or whatever its supposed to be. Its not supported in any way like you seemed to indicate when describing the video you saw.

Here were your concerns with the video:

1) Who's pad were they comparing it to? "Foam with plastic" tells me nothing.

2)They appear to be thigh pads. Not shoulder caps which is my concern.

3) The edges of the pad are touching the table. U foam is stiff so not surprising it lessens the blow. A thigh pad doesn't have edges to rest against though. It rests against your thigh.

4) A shoulder pad is engineered to work as a complete pad and would need tested as such to be relevant. For example, Jofa/Rbk design is that the shoulder cap doesnt rest on the edge of your shoulder so that the impact is dissipated. It would hardly be fair to remove the cap from the pad and rest it directly on something as they do in the video. The caps on the CL's were resting directly on the point of my shoulder.

In this video its:

1) Compared to a Bauer shoulder cap

2) An actual shoulder cap, not a thigh pad

3) Resting right on the potential impact part (fake shoulder)

4) See above, its resting right on the body part that would take the impact and not dissipating the impact to other parts of the body. It shows that just in in pure impact resistance its better than what its compared against.

The shoulder cap design has been being used very very extensively by NHL players for several years now and found to work quite well. With the extra impact absorbtion of U+Foam it seems to have made a very quality pad even better.

Not trying to convince you, just providing you some extra information that you may have missed before and hoping to alleviate some of your concerns regarding the U-Foam testing.

If you're not sold on the U+Foam, maybe you should try the CS or even the U+12 pads. It uses the same low profile cap design that has been being used in the pros for some time and combines it with more traditional construction if you dont want to test out the U-Foam. Those are a tried and true design.

All that said and getting off of CCM, I'd look at the new Warrior Projekt pads. I really like them. They are not the lightest things out there, but they're comfortable, move really well and have a ton of protection to them. More protection than I really need or most do for beer league, but they move so well with me and are comfortable enough, that I do not fee inhibited by the extra protection or feel like I'm carrying more than I need to. So why not have it.

Might want to check them out.

[nisselrm 21]

very well said

[guffaw 0]

jsykes, thanks for the info. I had never seen that video. It is certainly more relevant than the thigh pad test IMO. I would love to see a test vs. a Jofa/RBK cap that doesn't sit directly on the shoulder joint. Also what Bauer pad was that?

My main concern was the paper thin Ufoam in the body of the pad/rib area.

I still have a while before i need to buy something. I have a feeling i'll be heading to hockey giant again with a teammate for the old punch me in the sholder test and will factor that into my decision in addition to weight, fit, and mobility.

Thanks again. Nothing personal vs. the CL's so definitely open to any and all info.

[JR Boucicaut 3801]

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[beerleaguecaptain 999]

Take a look at the old Supreme One95 - you can still find them online and even in stores sometimes.. I bought them for my son after he hurt his shoulder and they are tanks. I also like the new Nexu line shoulder that are based on the Lightspeed line. Lots of shoulder protection.

[SirJW 207]

What do those who have seen the CL think about the durability of the foam? Do you think these will fall apart in a year or two or will they last?

[guffaw 0]

What do those who have seen the CL think about the durability of the foam? Do you think these will fall apart in a year or two or will they last?

Good question and a valid concern for a $160 pad.

[althoma1 574]

All that said and getting off of CCM, I'd look at the new Warrior Projekt pads. I really like them. They are not the lightest things out there, but they're comfortable, move really well and have a ton of protection to them. More protection than I really need or most do for beer league, but they move so well with me and are comfortable enough, that I do not fee inhibited by the extra protection or feel like I'm carrying more than I need to. So why not have it.

Might want to check them out.

After trying on most of the new shoulder pads, I completely agree with your thoughts on the new Projekts. They aren't the lightest pads of the bunch (they aren't heavy either), but they felt like the most comfortable and mobile shoulder pads out of the newer top end pads. I'll stick with my Farrells for now, but if I ever decide I need more protection for my non-contact men's league then the Projekts would definitely be front runners.

The CLs are definitely the lightest pad and I like the fact that they don't gain a lot of water weight through the course of the game, but for me comfort is more important than weight when it comes to most equipment and I just found the Projekts and my Farrells (sans caps) a bit more comfortable and mobile than the CLs. Obviously, it makes sense to try on as many pads as you can and see what fits you best, but I'd definitely look out for the new grey and blue Projekts and try them on if you can.

[Chadd 916]

What do those who have seen the CL think about the durability of the foam? Do you think these will fall apart in a year or two or will they last?

That was my question when I saw them.

[Stewie 721]

What do those who have seen the CL think about the durability of the foam? Do you think these will fall apart in a year or two or will they last?

I think too many people are doubting these pads just because they go against the norms. I work for a major chemical company, and have seen first hand some of the crazy things that foam can do. Although i have not touched any of the CL stuff or seen it first hand, I do not doubt that foam can be protective and durable, even as much so as plastic. The key to me is if they used the right quality of foam, not that it is foam. I am guessing that these products have undergone intense testing in CCM facilities prior to releasing a 160$ pad to the general public, more intense than your general beer league, or possibly even NHL level scenarios, as million dollar players are being protected by the gear, and probably more testing than they had done for any previous line of gear, as it is new technology.

I am no expert, but id like to think CCM knows what they are doing, and that they did the right thing in making sure they used durable, protective, thin performance foams. If people have seen negative performance issues, let me know, as I too am considering the upgrade to CL pads once they finally arrive at my LHS to try on.

jsykes, thanks for the info. I had never seen that video. It is certainly more relevant than the thigh pad test IMO. I would love to see a test vs. a Jofa/RBK cap that doesn't sit directly on the shoulder joint. Also what Bauer pad was that?

My main concern was the paper thin Ufoam in the body of the pad/rib area.

I still have a while before i need to buy something. I have a feeling i'll be heading to hockey giant again with a teammate for the old punch me in the sholder test and will factor that into my decision in addition to weight, fit, and mobility.

Thanks again. Nothing personal vs. the CL's so definitely open to any and all info.

You probably will never see the Reebok/Jofa vs CCM CL videos or comparisons, because Reebok probably doesnt care if you buy CCM or Reebok pads, but they really want you to consider CL vs Bauer.

[guffaw 0]

You probably will never see the Reebok/Jofa vs CCM CL videos or comparisons, because Reebok probably doesnt care if you buy CCM or Reebok pads, but they really want you to consider CL vs Bauer.

umm...ok

Regarding the questioning of this new product, people have every right to question the durability and protection of a top end pad that quite frankly looks like something for street hockey that should cost $30.

CCM's job is to earn a profit. Weight is the name of the game now with everything so it's only natural for companies to start getting close to crossing that line where the skate, stick, pad etc. that is the lightest and most expensive really is not the most protective or durable. I'm not saying it is or isn't in this case, but to put all of your faith in the company producing it is kind of ignorant. Technology is great, but don't bury your head in the sand when it comes to your own logic. If the light $200 stick keeps breaking it's not durable. If you feel a punch in the ribs with one pad and not another the first one isn't as protective.

Be cautious. It's your $$ and more importantly your health.

[Stewie 721]

umm...ok

Regarding the questioning of this new product, people have every right to question the durability and protection of a top end pad that quite frankly looks like something for street hockey that should cost $30.

CCM's job is to earn a profit. Weight is the name of the game now with everything so it's only natural for companies to start getting close to crossing that line where the skate, stick, pad etc. that is the lightest and most expensive really is not the most protective or durable. I'm not saying it is or isn't in this case, but to put all of your faith in the company producing it is kind of ignorant. Technology is great, but don't bury your head in the sand when it comes to your own logic. If the light $200 stick keeps breaking it's not durable. If you feel a punch in the ribs with one pad and not another the first one isn't as protective.

Be cautious. It's your $$ and more importantly your health.

im not burying my head in the sand, like i said i have seen the power of foams FIRST HAND and also like i said I am waiting to hold the product IN HAND. all i was stating is that i am not going to doubt the product solely because its foam, and that CCM has not failed me as a customer in the past when it comes to producing quality products that i can rely on (i have never, through 23 years of playing contact and non contact hockey, suffered a single hockey injury not involving the one time i forgot a mouth guard and was playing in canada). so, why should i not trust their testing procedures? In this age of liability, if CCM was rushing out a product that wasnt tested and isnt durable, they would probably here about it.

this product, at least from the pictures i have seen, looks like a high end foam that i have no doubt should cost more than 30$. have you seen any of the things high end foams can do?????

I am cautious. if you even knew me, you would know just how safe i play things, and cautious I am. some of the hits i have taken would have definitely produced major injury had i not been using a product that amply protected me, but i always have, and often that product was a CCM one. there is blind trust, and there is trust that comes with 23 years of using a companies products, and i am not the one posting about a broken collarbone, although playing the exact same style as you. I spend hours in my LHS each time i am looking to buy new equipment upgrades, figuring what will protect me to a level i require, fits well, and looks like it will last.

[hockeymass 11]

Regarding the questioning of this new product, people have every right to question the durability and protection of a top end pad that quite frankly looks like something for street hockey that should cost $30.

I don't really care what pad anyone buys but this is kind of a ridiculous and unfair statement to make and stuff like this is part of the reason people are bristling. There's no need to call someone else's $150 pads cheap, especially if you've never actually tried them. It's one thing to say "I don't want to try them" but quite another to basically say they're crap and not worth the money.

I think we all get it.

[nisselrm 21]

jsykes, thanks for the info. I had never seen that video. It is certainly more relevant than the thigh pad test IMO. I would love to see a test vs. a Jofa/RBK cap that doesn't sit directly on the shoulder joint. Also what Bauer pad was that?

My main concern was the paper thin Ufoam in the body of the pad/rib area.

I still have a while before i need to buy something. I have a feeling i'll be heading to hockey giant again with a teammate for the old punch me in the sholder test and will factor that into my decision in addition to weight, fit, and mobility.

Thanks again. Nothing personal vs. the CL's so definitely open to any and all info.

umm...ok

Regarding the questioning of this new product, people have every right to question the durability and protection of a top end pad that quite frankly looks like something for street hockey that should cost $30.

CCM's job is to earn a profit. Weight is the name of the game now with everything so it's only natural for companies to start getting close to crossing that line where the skate, stick, pad etc. that is the lightest and most expensive really is not the most protective or durable. I'm not saying it is or isn't in this case, but to put all of your faith in the company producing it is kind of ignorant. Technology is great, but don't bury your head in the sand when it comes to your own logic. If the light $200 stick keeps breaking it's not durable. If you feel a punch in the ribs with one pad and not another the first one isn't as protective.

Be cautious. It's your $$ and more importantly your health.

so you started a thread about breaking your collarbone so bad etc and your main concern is the rib pad? it really seems liuke you are looking for things to negate your intial poor research and even when all that information is put right in front of you, you continue with the "it looks cheap argument"...if you aren't going to use the information given by other members why ask the question?

[jsykes 35]

umm...ok

I think his statement was to the fact that since Addidas owns both Reebok and CCM, they really do not care which you buy so there is no need to put them against each other.

You see the CCM compared to a Bauer pad since Bauer is pretty much the leader in hockey gear and CCM wants to show they're better than Bauer.

No need to show you're better than other product within your own company.

[guffaw 0]

I think his statement was to the fact that since Addidas owns both Reebok and CCM, they really do not care which you buy so there is no need to put them against each other.

You see the CCM compared to a Bauer pad since Bauer is pretty much the leader in hockey gear and CCM wants to show they're better than Bauer.

No need to show you're better than other product within your own company.

Oh gotcha.

Yeah, just because they are both subsidiaries of addidas doesn't mean that ccm doesn't care if you buy Reebok. If they are their own co., if they produce their own financial statements, then CCM cares about CCM only. It would be Addidas that doesn't care.

[jsykes 35]

But you're boss, the one that funds your company, is not going to let you compare yourself to and put down another one of their companies to do it. You put down someone that they have no financial stake in. CCM wont say they're better than Reebok, they'll say they're better than Bauer, Warrior, Graf, etc.

That said, they arent separate. The company is Reebok-CCM US. Inc. Money all goes to the same place regardless of what is purchased.

[Stewie 721]

I think his statement was to the fact that since Addidas owns both Reebok and CCM, they really do not care which you buy so there is no need to put them against each other.

You see the CCM compared to a Bauer pad since Bauer is pretty much the leader in hockey gear and CCM wants to show they're better than Bauer.

No need to show you're better than other product within your own company.

that was my exact point. they are owned by the same company, so if the consumer chooses reebok or CCM it does not matter, and is not worth the money input into paying a marketing firm etc to make the video. not only that, but if they pit the CL padding against the reebok padding, and it shows that the reebok pads to not perform as well, your casting doubt on your own product, not good business sense. they share the same office, reebok and CCM, and really should just be viewed as one product line, in a sense. You want to make sure your making the choice between you and your competitors easier, not between two of your own products.

Oh gotcha.

Yeah, just because they are both subsidiaries of addidas doesn't mean that ccm doesn't care if you buy Reebok. If they are their own co., if they produce their own financial statements, then CCM cares about CCM only. It would be Addidas that doesn't care.

ever contact ccm or reebok hockey???? they have the same main office, dude. reebok and ccm are more supreme/vapor then anything. they were together before adidas aquired reebok, and at the time reebok aquired them, ccm also had Koho, Jofa, Heaton, and i think a few other companies under them, but only the CCM name survived becuase its a very recognizeable brand.

[guffaw 0]

so you started a thread about breaking your collarbone so bad etc and your main concern is the rib pad? it really seems liuke you are looking for things to negate your intial poor research and even when all that information is put right in front of you, you continue with the "it looks cheap argument"...if you aren't going to use the information given by other members why ask the question?

My main concern for my protection is the shoulder cap. A concern i have with the CL is the body protection that looks thin, i can feel everything through it, and does not look durable. Got it?

Negate my research? I don't own stock in any hockey company. My goal is not to prove or disprove any product.

This thread has turned into an argument so i'm done. Thanks to those that gave their incite.

that was my exact point. they are owned by the same company, so if the consumer chooses reebok or CCM it does not matter, and is not worth the money input into paying a marketing firm etc to make the video. not only that, but if they pit the CL padding against the reebok padding, and it shows that the reebok pads to not perform as well, your casting doubt on your own product, not good business sense. they share the same office, reebok and CCM, and really should just be viewed as one product line, in a sense. You want to make sure your making the choice between you and your competitors easier, not between two of your own products.

ever contact ccm or reebok hockey???? they have the same main office, dude. reebok and ccm are more supreme/vapor then anything. they were together before adidas aquired reebok, and at the time reebok aquired them, ccm also had Koho, Jofa, Heaton, and i think a few other companies under them, but only the CCM name survived becuase its a very recognizeable brand.

No i havent. I'm too busy playing the game, working, earning a degree, and paying a mortgage but thanks for the info.

[Stewie 721]

My main concern for my protection is the shoulder cap. A concern i have with the CL is the body protection that looks thin, i can feel everything through it, and does not look durable. Got it?

Negate my research? I don't own stock in any hockey company. My goal is not to prove or disprove any product.

This thread has turned into an argument so i'm done. Thanks to those that gave their incite.

No i havent. I'm too busy playing the game, working, earning a degree, and paying a mortgage but thanks for the info.

i wouldnt use that excuse, it has nothing to do with all the busy things lifes throwing at you, when you still have the time to reply to posts continually on here, it only takes about 1 minute to find contact info for reebok/ccm when you have a question about one of their products, heck i am doing all the same things you are, i just have happened to follow the manufacturers of the gear over the time i earned two degrees, worked, played the game, and dealt with mortgage payments, because i care about who is protecting my health, and their historys and track record play into that as well.