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althoma1 last won the day on January 15

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About althoma1

  • Birthday 11/03/1977


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    Easton Mako II (ice), Mako M7 with Sprungs for roller
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    Sherwood Rekker M90 with P28 curve, Inno Mania with Smyth curve
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    STX Surgeon 500
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    Easton E700 with CCM Fitlite Titanium cage, Easton E700 with Bauer Pro Clip Visor (ref)
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    Warrior Projekt Girdle, Valken V-Pro with V-Elite Girdle for roller
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    Verbero Shield
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    2012 Warrior Projekt
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    Warrior or RBK Pro

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  1. There have been photos of pros wearing a new True Catalyst skate. I have no idea how they will fit, but there's a chance the depth will be different in those and it's likely we'll see retail catalyst skates toward the middle of this year. If you can wait, you could see if they added any depth in that area. Another option with your current skates would be to switch to a thinner tongue if you haven't already. The TF7 felt tongue is much thicker than the TF9 tongue. These pro tongues also look thinner: https://www.hockeyvancouver.ca/products/true-tf-pro-replacement-tongues
  2. You'll gain a few mm after baking and break in with the 7 Fit 2 Supremes, but if you need more than a few mm then I understand not going that route. It sounds like the 7 wide were too roomy, but that also suggests they're the right length, but too wide. So, it kind of confirms that 7 is the right length for CCM and Bauer. The True skates open up quite a bit after baking and several hours of skating. For me, 7.5W felt perfect before baking (and I scan as a 7.5 Fit 3 for Bauer and also use 8EE Easton Makos) with my toes just brushing. The 7W felt way too tight with my toes very hard against the cap, but not bent. After baking they were still a bit tight, but after about 10 hours of use my toes just lightly brush. If you go through the TF7/TF9 thread, you'll see others had similar experiences with the True retail skates. The hockeyreviews.ca YouTube video on the TF9 sizing by our own @Hills is also very helpful. With the True retail models, if you go with the size that feels perfect pre-bake they'll likely end up being too big after baking and breaking them in. Most people end up going down a half size in True retails from Bauer or CCM and some even had to go down a full size. I know you aren't a fan of their appearance anyway, so they'd probably be your last choice if the other options don't work out. If the X2.9s don't work out, trying 7D SuperTacks seems reasonable due to the 90 day guarantee.
  3. From the information you've provided in various posts, I think the Vapor X2.9 in a 7 Fit 2 may work well for you. You said your current 7EE Vapors fit well, but are a little shallow near the 4th and 5th eyelet. Well, Fit 2 is supposed to be a similar width to a Vapor EE or Supreme D, with a depth more like the Supreme D (which is a bit deeper than a Vapor EE). So, on paper a 7 Fit 2 would be better for you. The CCM skates sizing was realigned around 2017 to fit the same as Bauer lengthwise. If you're a 7 Bauer, then you're more than likely a 7 in a CCM made after 2017. In the D/EE CCM sizing, the Jetspeed was a narrow skate and would be closer to a D Vapor than a EE. So, a 7.5D Jetspeed FT485 would be a width too narrow and a half size too long if your EE Vapors fit well besides the depth. They may not feel like they're too long because a skate that's too narrow will compress and elongate your foot. So, if you wanted to try the Jetspeed FT485, you'd likely be better off with a 7EE in that skate and not a 7.5EE. It's true that the scanner is just a starting point, but the fact that you were 7 Fit 1 and then 6.5 Fit 1 and you currently wear a 7 makes it likely that a 7.5 is too long. It's generally not a good idea to go longer to deal with width or depth issues. The good news is, the Vapor X2.9 size 7 Fit 2 you already have may really work well for you. If they don't, then trying a 7EE Jetspeed FT485 or a 6.5R True TF7/TF9 would likely be the next best options in my opinion. A 7.5 in Bauer or CCM or a 7 in True would likely be too long after baking and break in (they might feel like the right length before that, especially if they're too narrow).
  4. No, you not liking the graphics of the Trues or the Tacks doesn't bother me; I just think fit should always be the priority when it comes to equipment. If two things fit equally well then you might as well pick the gear that you feel looks better. I'd just rather be in a pair of skates that fits really well, but don't look great than in something that is very aesthetically pleasing, but isn't that comfortable. If you can find something that you feel looks great and is comfortable for you; great. I was only pointing out the option of taking off graphics with a bit of acetone and elbow grease because I saw people in other threads do it. I haven't bothered removing graphics myself. Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to making choices based on aesthetics - I've gone out of my way to buy socks, shells and gloves that match adult rec hockey uniforms. That's totally unnecessary, but I do like matching when I can. There are plenty of players who play better than me with mismatched socks, pants and gloves that don't match their jerseys at all. Everyone is free to make their own choice. I like to look good as much as the next guy and try to get things that look good, but prioritize fit, comfort and performance; great aesthetics is a nice bonus though. The True 30 day guarantee was supposed to end on December 31, 2021, but Ice Warehouse announced through a FB post that True chose to extend it. I guess the HM employee didn't get the memo yet. I do think the True skates are a good value, but I don't want to seem like I'm hell bent on pushing you into them. I don't work for them or get any kick backs. If the Bauer or CCM skates work better for you, definitely get those. It's great that Pure is allowing you to sharpen, bake and try the Vapors. You might as well do that. I hope they work well for you.
  5. With the TF7, it's not surprising you had hotspots without baking them. For most people, in the right size that's how they'll feel and your toes will be hard against the cap (more than just brushing). If your toes weren't hard against the cap and you can fit into a 7 in SuperTacks and Ribcor, you'd actually likely need a 6.5. They change a lot with baking, but if you're really hung up on the looks and can find a good fit in something more aesthetically pleasing, that's up to you. I think the associate is right that the Supreme size Fit 2 would fit very similar to the Vapor X2.9 Fit 2. The Vapor does have a different toe box and some different materials, but the last would be the same. You mentioned 7 Fit 2 though and in your original post you mentioned 7.5. Do you have a 7 or 7.5 Vapor? If you'd be a 7 lengthwise in the CCMs and wanted to try a 7 Fit 2 in Supreme, you'd likely also need a 7 Fit 2 in Vapor and not 7.5. Maybe you should've also tried on a CCM FT475 in a 7D. It may seem illogical to go smaller if you're already getting hot spots, but if you're in boots that are a half size too long then the widest part of the boot may not line up with the widest part of your foot. Dropping down a half size could possibly help - it may not, but it could be worth trying. Personally, I would go for the best fit (and you can't really judge that until after baking, especially with the Trues) rather than focusing on aesthetics. Some things like colour accents can be removed with a little acetone (there are threads here of people doing that with both CCM and True skates - basically blacking them out). Here's one example of the Tacks (and you could use a fabric pen on the other parts) and if you keep going in the thread there are also links to pictures of the FT1 with the graphics removed: You can see a TF9 ice to inline conversion in this thread where the blue graphics were stripped off:
  6. No problem. For most people they won't feel comfortable before baking them and the right size will feel way too small before a bake. So, I wouldn't judge them based on their unbaked fit alone.
  7. Icewarehouse has both the TF7 and TF9 in stock in 7R, honors the 30 day satisfaction guarantee and offers free return shipping. I believe they're also based in California and your location is listed as SoCal, so shipping should be relatively quick if you wanted to give them a try.
  8. It's not surprising that you have more room in a Bauer Vapor Fit 2 than a CCM Jetspeed 7.5D. Bauer's Fit 2 is more like an old Supreme D or Vapor EE. You'd also have more room if you were in a CCM Jetspeed EE or a Regular in the new fit system. Both D Jetspeeds and D Vapors are narrow skates, the Fit 2 in Bauer and Regular in CCM is more of an average fit. If you're going to a store to get the Vapors baked anyways, see if they have a 7.5EE or 7.5 Regular Jetspeed for you to try on while you're there - that's a more appropriate sizing comparison vs. Bauer Fit 2. Trying on a 7R (they generally fit at least a half size longer than Bauer/CCM after baking) True TF7 and/or TF9 may be a good idea as well (especially if they'll heat them up for you) - True also recently extended their 30 day satisfaction guarantee that was supposed to end Dec 31...so you could always bake, sharpen and test one of the True models at no risk for 30 days. While it's good that you don't feel any pain the the Vapors, they'll be wider everywhere than a D Jetspeed. Just make sure that there's not a lot of extra negative space and you still have good heel lock. I'd try to figure that out before you bake them as they may not let you return the Vapors after they're baked.
  9. You may be waiting a while if you wait for the new Bauer skates to drop. Last year the Hyperlite skates weren't released until June 25th. I know in the past skates used to launch around late April, but the last several years that's been pushed back to June or even July.
  10. I don't think Keith, the inventor of Sprungs, is making any more product. He was working on designs for an alloy version called Fizix, but I don't think he's secured the funding to get that produced and the Facebook page for the product hasn't been updated in over a year. https://www.facebook.com/FizixFrames The Sideline lead @Westside gave you is your best bet. I think he bought up the remaining stock. I believe the same seller also has an account on eBay under the name stickfixtexassouth: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/164181065317?var=463812336559 If he doesn't have any A7s left, you can either go with an A6 or consider trying the Marsblade R1. As someone who has used the Sprung for over a decade and used the R1 for several months in 2021, I still prefer a new set of Sprungs, but the R1 is a very close second. I think the Sprungs are a bit lighter and slightly more mobile, but, like Sprungs, the R1 also allows for full stride extension and tighter turns and stops than a traditional flat or HI-LO chassis. I suspect the R1 will also be more durable in the long run. While the Sprungs are great when new, they do get friction wear and eventually the rocker arms get very loose and that hurts the responsiveness and stability.
  11. Pure Hockey has a fit conversion chart: https://www.purehockey.com/support/hockey-skate-sizing-guide/pg_id/20235 Bauer Fit 3 translates to CCM Wide, which is currently available in the Jetspeed and Ribcor lines. The length should be the same; so, you'd be looking for 9 Wide CCM skates. You could also try an 8.5W in a True TF9 or TF7. The True retail skates in wide are probably the widest skates in the forefoot since the Nexus line has been discontinued. The right size will feel too small before baking and they open up with a proper bake. They fit at least a half size longer than Bauer or CCM in the same size after baking. That's why I'd start with an 8.5W.
  12. For boot stiffness, there are two things that come into play - skating ability and size/weight. A lightweight player that's not an advanced skater would want a softer boot, but something where you can replace the steel is always ideal. An advanced skater usually likes a stiffer boot regardless of the weight. Heavier, 200lb plus players need a stiff skate for support even if they're not amazing skaters and would break down low end, soft skates in short order. They don't have to be top of the line skates, but you'll want to look at skates that are at least mid-range and stay away from low end skates. For length, the ideal fit is for the skate to hug your foot snugly without any serious pressure points and for your toes just brush the cap when the skates are laced up and your heel is locked in place. The toes can just come off when you're knees are bent in an athletic skating position. Now, some people prefer an even tighter fit where the toes always touch - they more than feather when just standing and just feather when in an athletic stance. Others prefer that the toes don't touch the cap, I'm not one of those people. That can work, but you have to ensure you still have good heel lock (your heel doesn't move up and down) and your foot isn't sliding forward in the boot. If you have too much movement in the boot while you skate this can cause blisters and bone spurs. You definitely don't want the skates to fit like running shoes with a lot of room in the front. You'll also gain a few mm after baking and break in (the padding compresses); so, if you start with something that's already too long, the problem will only get worse over time. If the skates are slightly small before baking and break in, they may be perfect with time. You can also have skates punched or stretched if they're a bit small after break in, but you can never make a skate that's too big smaller. That's why I generally prefer to go with the smallest size that doesn't cause pain.
  13. Never go longer to try to deal with a depth or width issue. Also, you can't judge True skates without having the right size properly baked. So, I wouldn't rule the skates out based on trying on the wrong width unbaked. Since CCM has the 90 day guarantee and you already have the skates, I'd bake them, sharpen them and give them a try. I definitely wouldn't swap them out for a 10.5 in any brand if you know that 10 is the correct length.
  14. You would return the skates to the dealer (IW) if they don't work out. That's the case with both CCM and True. I don't think baking will really change the depth, but if you only fail by a tiny bit they may be OK. Since they're CCM skate you can bake them and use them as much as possible - if they're comfortable and performing well then keep them. If you end up getting soreness/lacebite near that 4th eyelet then return them to IW before the 90 days is up. IW offers free return shipping and CCM has the 90 day satisfaction guarantee; so, baking, sharpening and trying them is very low risk.
  15. You won't be the same skate size in all brands. As mentioned by @puckpilot, don't use shoe size to figure out your skate size. The Bauer scan and a skate specific brannock will give you a better starting point. That and skate that you already have. Most people need to drop a half size from Graf to Bauer or CCM. So, if you're 10.5 Grafs fit well then scanning at 10 in Bauer makes complete sense. A Bauer Fit 3 is comparable to a deeper Supreme EE or an old Nexus D. Here's what I'd recommend trying on, at least to start: Bauer Vapor and Sumpreme in a 10 Fit 3. CCM Ribcor in 10 EE (if it's old stock) or 10 in their new wide fit. CCM Tacks in 10 EE or 10 in their new wide fit. True TF9 and/or TF7 in 9.5W. The True retail skates fit at least a half size longer than Bauer or CCM in the same size and really open up after baking. They won't feel great before baking and the right size will feel way too small before baking. You have to completely undo the top two eyelets and twist your foot to even get it in. Then to do up the top two eyelets you need to thread them behind the tongue and then pull the lace over. Before baking your toes should be firm on the cap without being bent (more than feathering) - after baking and break in, this should be the right length. If you're toes aren't firm against the cap before baking, try a smaller size. With any of the brands and models, I'd keep trying on smaller sizes until you're sure it's too small (toes are bent to fit in the skate) and then go up half a size. Once you have the right length, you need to ensure that the depth and heel lock are good. You can use the pencil test for depth. For heel lock, you can walk around in the skates and also try some lunges. You can't really judge the Trues without baking them, but if you buy those before Dec 31 at participating retailers, they have a 30 day satisfaction guarantee. CCM has a 90 day satisfaction guarantee. So, with either CCM or True you can bake, sharpen and use the skates and return them if they don't work well for you (within 30 days for True and 90 for CCM). Bauer doesn't have a guarantee like that. I think the True skates in W have the widest toe box, but still provide good heel lock and are average depth. The Bauer Fit 3 skates will be wider at the heel and deeper. I have no experience with the new CCM wide fit skates, but I know people who used to use Nexus skates have had success with CCM Ribcor skates in EE in the past. So True in 9.5W or a Ribcor in EE/W after baking would be my best guess for skates that would fit based on what you've said, but try on everything you can in various sizes.
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