Lie differences between companies

[rfm1237 0]

I'm currently using an Easton Getzlaf curve and I'd like to get a somewhat lower lie. I know there are clones from each of the different manufacturers but are any of them lower than the Getzlaf? I know the lie numbers vary between companies, but are all the clones the same lie in actuality? If not, any ideas on which would be the lowest of this curve?

[Chadd 916]

I don't believe any of the other Getzlaf/Lidstrom style curves have a lower lie.

[ibeck 38]

I'm currently using an Easton Getzlaf curve and I'd like to get a somewhat lower lie. I know there are clones from each of the different manufacturers but are any of them lower than the Getzlaf? I know the lie numbers vary between companies, but are all the clones the same lie in actuality? If not, any ideas on which would be the lowest of this curve?

BASE has different curves in different lies

[kerr 1]

Their Getzlaf is actually a higher lie, 6.

[ibeck 38]

They come in multiple lies

[kerr 1]

Some do, not all. http://www.basehockey.ca/sr-int/

[gxc999 7]

Don't just look at lie, consider rocker too. E.g. the p106 is listed as a 6 and technically is but plays like a 5 to 5.25.

[AIREAYE 248]

Don't just look at lie, consider rocker too. E.g. the p106 is listed as a 6 and technically is but plays like a 5 to 5.25.

It doesn't. I've used a P106 for years and have used a lower lie Vanek recently. While the P106 doesn't have as much rocker as say a Hall, it definitely doesn't play like a lower lie.

[ibeck 38]

Some do, not all. http://www.basehockey.ca/sr-int/

All that isn't entirely accurate. I'm working with the BASE in Montreal and I've seen the bc05 (lidstrom clone) in different lies.

[Chadd 916]

It doesn't. I've used a P106 for years and have used a lower lie Vanek recently. While the P106 doesn't have as much rocker as say a Hall, it definitely doesn't play like a lower lie.

I'm with gxc and feel it plays well below a 6. It's one of the few retail blades that I can play comfortably.

[jazz4all 9]

I don't believe any of the other Getzlaf/Lidstrom style curves have a lower lie.

sorry if its out of the topic. How's the lie on vanek compared to easton zetterberg?

[Chadd 916]

I would like to say it's lower but I will have to check tomorrow night when I get home

[greenstripetowel 1]

sorry if its out of the topic. How's the lie on vanek compared to easton zetterberg?

higher. vanek is 5.25, zett is 5

[flyguy1 1]

Instead of starting a new thread, I figure I would as in this one....

Is a Warrior Lie 5 the same is a Bauer Lie 6? I thought I read that somewhere but couldn't find anything on it....

I've been using a Warrior Lie 5 draper curve, and got a new TO Lie 6 P14, they look similar when put together but not sure if its the curve/rocker throwing me off....also on my warrior i have alittle more wear towards the toe (not all the way on toe but not on middle of blade) should I cut the TO alittle longer? I don't want to take any chances and cut too much and have to add a plug...

[icewalker_bg 126]

It doesn't. I've used a P106 for years and have used a lower lie Vanek recently. While the P106 doesn't have as much rocker as say a Hall, it definitely doesn't play like a lower lie.

The P106 definately plays lower with me also. It feels very close to 4.5-5 with my style of play.

[adam14 182]

I have a similar question in regards to the Versteeg curve, is it really a 4.5 lie? Or does it play higher?

[AIREAYE 248]

The P106 definately plays lower with me also. It feels very close to 4.5-5 with my style of play.

I guess I'm one of the only ones that feels differently. Probably the rocker for me, whatever.

[flyguy1 1]

Any insight on my warrior/ Bauer lie question? I'm cutting my stick tomorrow and don't want to cut it too short...

[Chadd 916]

I don't know the P14 well enough to say for sure on that, but the Draper 5 is closer to a 5.5

[mgd150 0]

While we're on this topic. Does the reebok datsyuk pattern play lower than the Bauer p92?

[davidfinlay276 4]

P14 is a weird one, Bauer list it as a lie 6, but IMO it's a bit lower. It's lower than the classic Sakic lie, which I think is sort of the "standard" for a lot of people (Bauer calls the Sakic lie a lie 6, Easton call it a lie 5.5). IMO the P14 is equivalent to roughly an Easton lie 5.25. Here's a pic I just snapped with a Sakic clone (Kopitar) in front, and a P14 behind:

As for the P106 debate, I'd personally peg it as having a very similar lie to the P14 (roughly an Easton 5.25), but it has such a big/weird rocker (sort of crests into a large hump a few inches from the heel) that you can play it about a full lie higher or full lie lower than that, and still have a solid amount of blade on the ice. Here's a pic with the P106 in the front, and P14 in the back (this ones a bit worse quality, as my camera phone flash went off, but you still get the idea):

I no longer have a Lidstrom, so I can't really comment on that, but when I did have a Lidstrom I remember it playing like a fairly high lie blade.

[Holden Caulfield 5]

I recently switch to the Warrior Kopitar, lie 5, from the very similar Easton Sakic, lie 5.5. Also, in the past, I tried the Easton Zetterberg, lie 5. Based on my experiences, I found the Kopitar to fall somewhere in between the two Easton curves - so a Warrior 5, is like an Easton 5.25, at least for these curves. I used to wear the tape off my heel more than my toe with the Sakic and now the wear pattern is much more even. I did not like the Zetterberg, as I could not carry the puck close in - for me the lie was to low and there was not enough rocker.

[davidfinlay276 4]

I recently switch to the Warrior Kopitar, lie 5, from the very similar Easton Sakic, lie 5.5. Also, in the past, I tried the Easton Zetterberg, lie 5. Based on my experiences, I found the Kopitar to fall somewhere in between the two Easton curves - so a Warrior 5, is like an Easton 5.25, at least for these curves. I used to wear the tape off my heel more than my toe with the Sakic and now the wear pattern is much more even. I did not like the Zetterberg, as I could not carry the puck close in - for me the lie was to low and there was not enough rocker.

If you actually hold a Kopitar and Sakic side by side, though, you'll see that the lie is essentially identical. The Easton, Warrior and Bauer version of this curve do have very slight differences in terms of the shape of the curve, and the tiniest rocker differences, but the lie is pretty much the same between all of them. For example, any differences are WAYYYYYYY less than between the P14 and Kopitar that I showed above, and even that is only about a 0.25 difference in lie.

[Hockeydog 8]

So here is another question to throw into the mix. It looks like the P92 Backtrom only comes in a lie 5 if you buy the top end sticks. How would a P14 play comapred to a P92 in a 5 lie? They both seem to be mid-toe with one being a bit more open than the other.

[davidfinlay276 4]

So here is another question to throw into the mix. It looks like the P92 Backtrom only comes in a lie 5 if you buy the top end sticks. How would a P14 play comapred to a P92 in a 5 lie? They both seem to be mid-toe with one being a bit more open than the other.

Nope, top end Bauers are available with the standard P92 curve (which Bauer calls lie 6, but it's the same as the lie 5.5 Easton Sakic/Hall or the lie 5 Warrior Kopitar) as well as the P92 lie 5.

As for a P92 lie 5 vs. a P14, the lie is pretty similar, but otherwise there are plenty of differences:

- the P14 is shorter than the P92 in terms of both the length and height of the blade

- the P14 has a more square toe, and less rocker at the toe

- though the two curves are similarly open at the toe, the P14 only starts to open up about half way through the blade, while the P92 starts to open up a bit earlier

- the P14 is more of a toe curve, it starts to curve later than the P92, and is a bigger/deeper curve in the toe area. I would describe both as mid-toe curves, but the P92 is closer to a mid curve, while the P14 is closer to a toe curve

- the P14 is also a slightly deeper curve in general

Depending on your shooting mechanics, you may find them to play quite similarly, or fairly differently. Some people shoot the same with almost any curve, some are very sensitive to even slight differences, it all depends on you.