Do these rivets need replacing/fixing?

[t6lock 24]

both pics are same skate different sides

also a few months ago i was at a shop and i overheard one of the staff members talking about how he would make all the rivets copper. thoughts on that?

http://i.imgur.com/FEaVf.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/wfUAc.jpg

[Chadd 916]

They should at least be reset, replaced if that is not an option. Going with all copper is not a good solution.

[interpathway 9]

Yours can probably be replaced as is with the standard rivets, it just looks like your rivets have lost their "crimp" and now are loose/have fallen out. You could certainly skate on all copper rivets, but it will increase the weight of your skates.

Copper rivets and regular rivets differ in their specific functions. Copper is better at tightly mounting the holder to the boot (think vertically) and the standards, while helping in that regard, keep the holder in line (think horizontally) with the boot's mounting holes.

For example, my S17s are getting holder seperation in my RBII's front towers by the toe. While all the rivets are new (~3 months), I need to get some rivets on the front half of the towers replaced with copper rivets, as they compress tighter and will be able to hold my RBII's closer to the S17's thin composite shell.

[t6lock 24]

haha sorry bout the huge pics, just got an iphone and didnt know the standard pic was so giant

are copper rivets much different in price? and is there maybe an alternating scheme or pattern that is more commonly used? like coppers in the front and back and standards between?

[interpathway 9]

Well, all copper is an option.

[jimmy 194]

Well, all copper is an option.

Copper is of course an option if you have a equipment manager who can check and repair the skates daily at no charge to you. The problem with all copper is that the holders wil not stay in one place and they will shift likely causing steel to get a bend. Copper is good for strength, but not good for stability of the holder. I'd have to question a "pro" equipment guy doing something stupid like that.

[AIREAYE 248]

Brian Papineau has been in the game for a long time, so I would think there's a logical reason for why he did that to Belak's S15s. Something to do with Easton's undersized rivets? No idea.

[Davetronz 109]

Definitely get those rivets replaced, and have them check the other ones while they're at it.

Don't get all coppers.

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

Copper is of course an option if you have a equipment manager who can check and repair the skates daily at no charge to you. The problem with all copper is that the holders wil not stay in one place and they will shift likely causing steel to get a bend. Copper is good for strength, but not good for stability of the holder. I'd have to question a "pro" equipment guy doing something stupid like that.

I don't ever find they move at all with all copper's and many "pro equipment manager's" do this. (More so with big strong players or players that need the holders adjusted from factory setting)

One thing I have learned over the years is I may not agree with why a guy may do this or that but find out why first before calling it "stupid".......just saying IMO.

[t6lock 24]

thanks everyone for the replies. i think ill stick to standard rivets. been skating on these for about a year now. is it normal for rivets to loosen up like that or just random? my other skate seems to be fine

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

Yes they do need to be replaced. and no they shouldnt do that if they are the right length well atleast not ever year if they are maintanied and kept dry after playing. But then again you could put 4 coppers on the back plus the 2 in the front and they shouldnt come loose at all!

[jimmy 194]

I don't ever find they move at all with all copper's and many "pro equipment manager's" do this. (More so with big strong players or players that need the holders adjusted from factory setting)

One thing I have learned over the years is I may not agree with why a guy may do this or that but find out why first before calling it "stupid".......just saying IMO.

Thanks for your "opinion". Like I said, if the skater has someone who can constantly check the holders, using all copper is acceptable, but my experience is totally opposite of yours, never seen an all-copper mount that hasn't moved or shifted. The back and forth movement of the copper shaft in the hole will make it larger and sloppy. A holder is best mounted using a combination of steel and copper.

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

Thanks for your "opinion". Like I said, if the skater has someone who can constantly check the holders, using all copper is acceptable, but my experience is totally opposite of yours, never seen an all-copper mount that hasn't moved or shifted. The back and forth movement of the copper shaft in the hole will make it larger and sloppy. A holder is best mounted using a combination of steel and copper.

"A holder is best mounted using a combination of steel and copper."

Is this fact backed with scienific proof or your opinion?

Not trying to split hairs here but we have both done our fair share of skate mounting. As I said I am not saying for everyone all Coppers would be best but dependng on the skate player etc it maybe of a benefit.

[jimmy 194]

Funny we were just discussing this and today, what do you know, a local Junior A player comes in today with these skates complaining that his holders feel loose. I fixed them by putting steel rivets between the coppers. They were prostocks as well.

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

So is this where i go get a skate of a guy I have worked with take a pic and say the opposite?

As I have said already. EVERYONE does things there own way and you can always learn from someone else as to the reason they skate was done this way in the first place,

There are many reasons the holder could have felt loose to say you put steel in and the problem is solved we have no proof of that maybe he will be back tomorrow......as better point is who cares you fixed the skate and the main point is the customer is happy.

The only issue I really have is you called a large group of people that do skates in that fashion for there own reasons "idiots" last time I checked no one is perfect?

[Chadd 916]

This became a measuring contest a while ago, no sense it letting it devolve any more