Supplemental Discpline 2013-14

[Chadd 916]

It doesn't seem to fit. Maybe he's decided to get more serious about the head hits. It'll be interesting to see what happens with the next big name player making one of these hits.

It doesn't make any sense when compared to a repeat offender like Kaleta who only gets 10 or the other head shots this season that got a couple games at most.

[BenderHockey 127]

Maybe the fact that it was SOOOO blatent played into it.

[wrangler 157]

It doesn't make any sense when compared to a repeat offender like Kaleta who only gets 10 or the other head shots this season that got a couple games at most.

That's what I meant. I can only hope it's not just one more example of inconsistency. It's very hard for the players to guess what to expect for a bad hit.

[IPv6Freely 2092]

Maybe the fact that it was SOOOO blatent played into it.

I think I agree with you there. Kaleta got off easy (and that's the inconsistent part), but I think the 7 games for Scott is exactly where it should be, as a first time offender. Specificalyl because he didn't even TRY to make body contact. A "perfect" example of a textbook headshot.

[IPv6Freely 2092]

Carter Ashton having a hearing for his check from behind on Derek Smith.

I expect 3 games, it was a pretty obvious suspension the moment it happened.

[chippa13 1844]

Based on the precedents that Shanahan has set the McLeod and Scott suspensions are head scratchers. I guess Shanahan has received an edict from on high that his suspensions need to have more bite. It will be interesting to see how hard he comes down on the next first time suspendee who is a household name.

[troy 12]

Steve Downie.

[chippa13 1844]

Ummmmmmmm...........Steve Downie what?

[IPv6Freely 2092]

2 games for Ashton

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=60&id=473609〈=en

[Chadd 916]

Ummmmmmmm...........Steve Downie what?

He had a longer suspension for a first offense but that hit was also ten times worse.

[chippa13 1844]

And Downie was a nobody at the time whose claim to fame was being the diver on the Jack Johnson elbow that wasn't. Let's see what happens when say a Huberdeau or the like deals out a bad hit.

[Chadd 916]

And Downie was a nobody at the time whose claim to fame was being the diver on the Jack Johnson elbow that wasn't. Let's see what happens when say a Huberdeau or the like deals out a bad hit.

If it's OV, they throw the book at him. Anyone else and they let it slide

[hunterphfr 12]

That has to be one of the longest first time suspensions

Haven't seen it mentioned yet but I caught Shanahan's video on this incident last night. What surprised me was the fact that his lack of a history was used as one of the reasons for the length of the suspension. I forget the exact wording Shannahan used, but the gist of it was the fact that Scott has no history of hits to the head meant that he could not use his height and the height difference as a defense because the absence of such a history proved that Scott has been able to adapt and be accountable for such a difference in the past. Kind of puts a player in a very difficult position. If you have a history of hits to the head then you receive a lengthy suspension because you're a repeat offender. If you don't have a history of hits to the head then you can receive a lengthy suspension, because the fact you aren't a repeat offender shows you are aware of and have been playing by the rules and are therefore guilty of deliberately targeting the head.

[wrangler 157]

I had a similar reaction. Since he knows how to make a legal hit, it's immpossible that he simply made a mistake -- it had to be deliberate.

[chippa13 1844]

Interesting to see Shanahan playing the "you know better" card.

[wrangler 157]

I'm wondering about this play. While I don't suspect that Kassian tried to cut Bolland, this might have been a deliberate kick with unintended consequences.

I can't seem to think of another reason for Kassian's foot to swing in like that, while his other foot stayed on the ice.

[Chadd 916]

I'm wondering about this play. While I don't suspect that Kassian tried to cut Bolland, this might have been a deliberate kick with unintended consequences.

I can't seem to think of another reason for Kassian's foot to swing in like that, while his other foot stayed on the ice.

It's the same thing Cooke did to . He's trying to sweep the legs to throw Bolland off balance and raise his center of gravity. That prevents Bolland from slipping the check and moving the puck. I don't believe there was an intent to cut or hurt Bolland, but it is a very common and potentially dangerous play.

[wrangler 157]

That's about what I would have guessed, and sounds like it's essentially an attempt to trip. Regardless, it's careless and carries the foreseeable risk of cutting. I wonder if the league will care, or do something.

[Chadd 916]

That's about what I would have guessed, and sounds like it's essentially an attempt to trip. Regardless, it's careless and carries the foreseeable risk of cutting. I wonder if the league will care, or do something.

I wouldn't count on it, look at how many "hockey people"defended Cooke's actions. Watch any game and you will see that move within a couple minutes.

[IPv6Freely 2092]

Yea the CBC guys were going over the play and exactly what happens and why. They basically said its a byproduct of the inability for players to use their arms to hold up players, so they use their legs instead.

Very very common play that 99 times out of 100 has no negative outcome. Definitely dangerous though.

I don't believe either Kassian or Cooke meant to cut their opponent or do anything that most players don't do all the time. Just a fluke outcome from a common play.

[psh 25]

I don't think it's an attempt to trip. The CBC guys did a good job of describing what's going on, and I was coached to do something similar 20+ years ago in the U.S. The idea is that when you're coming in to the boards behind a puck carrier and have to pull up because a hit would be a check from behind, you sweep one leg in between the puck carrier's legs, so that you can pin him against the boards. Knocking him down is never the intended outcome. Rather, you swing in hard, so you can get leverage and basically pin your kneecap to the boards so the puck carrier's face is in the boards, you have weight in the small of his back, and he can't go left or right because he's straddling your knee. With your upper body, you're going for leverage on the carrier's stick, so that you can clear the puck or even carry it away. Do the play right, and the puck carrier is comletely helpless. Watch for it next game you see on TV, and you'll see it 10x/period easily.

[Chadd 916]

I don't think it's an attempt to trip. The CBC guys did a good job of describing what's going on, and I was coached to do something similar 20+ years ago in the U.S. The idea is that when you're coming in to the boards behind a puck carrier and have to pull up because a hit would be a check from behind, you sweep one leg in between the puck carrier's legs, so that you can pin him against the boards. Knocking him down is never the intended outcome. Rather, you swing in hard, so you can get leverage and basically pin your kneecap to the boards so the puck carrier's face is in the boards, you have weight in the small of his back, and he can't go left or right because he's straddling your knee. With your upper body, you're going for leverage on the carrier's stick, so that you can clear the puck or even carry it away. Do the play right, and the puck carrier is comletely helpless. Watch for it next game you see on TV, and you'll see it 10x/period easily.

Pinning someone to the boards is supposed to be interference now. The problem is that guys are trying to sweep the leg of someone several feet away from the boards, that's not how it's supposed to be done.

[psh 25]

Pinning someone to the boards is supposed to be interference now. The problem is that guys are trying to sweep the leg of someone several feet away from the boards, that's not how it's supposed to be done.

You can restrain someone who has possession of the puck. Once possession is lost, you are to release them. At least that's how I read rule 56.

I agree with your latter point. What I was trying to describe above doesn't really involve a lateral sweep of the leg at all, and the way I was taught didn't even involve a skate leaving the surface of the ice. "Sweep" is probably the wrong word. It's more of a leg drive between the carrier's legs and into the boards. I think that is basically what is being attempted in most cases. The lateral leg sweep should be illegal and is dangerous--it's not a far cry from a slew foot and is particularly dangerous if the puck carrier loses his footing going into the boards.

[Chadd 916]

You can restrain someone who has possession of the puck. Once possession is lost, you are to release them. At least that's how I read rule 56.

I agree with your latter point. What I was trying to describe above doesn't really involve a lateral sweep of the leg at all, and the way I was taught didn't even involve a skate leaving the surface of the ice. "Sweep" is probably the wrong word. It's more of a leg drive between the carrier's legs and into the boards. I think that is basically what is being attempted in most cases. The lateral leg sweep should be illegal and is dangerous--it's not a far cry from a slew foot and is particularly dangerous if the puck carrier loses his footing going into the boards.

Bob Hartley used to teach the pin move in a similar way, his instruction was to use one hand at the base of the spine once the player was on the boards. That would allow you to get your kneed between their legs and prevent them from moving in any direction.

[psh 25]

Bob Hartley used to teach the pin move in a similar way, his instruction was to use one hand at the base of the spine once the player was on the boards. That would allow you to get your kneed between their legs and prevent them from moving in any direction.

That sounds like precisely what I was taught back in the '80s. If only I had been a good enough player to put it to good use beyond high school!