Curve comparison - P40 vs. W88

[Coldclay 53]

P30 is basically P88 with a slightly closed toe (or a kink at the toe). My son used P88 exclusively for years and now uses P30 and transition was flawless and he said he shots are more accurate with the P30. He has a CCM Super Tacks 2.0 P30 55 Flex INT which is his stick of choice and his back up is a Alpha QX W88 55 Flex INT and he said the Alpha shoots harder but the 2.0 is more accurate. FWIW the CCM Super Tacks 2.0 plays way stiffer than the Alpha and they're cut to the same length and also the 2.0 has a slightly lower lie than the Alpha QX...

[chippa13 1844]

The P30 toe is anything but closed.

[althoma1 574]

The P30 isn't completely closed, but it's not as open as something like the P28. It also has less rocker than the P28 (the rocker is very similar to the P88). However, you'd definitely be adding some loft in the toe area compared to the P88.

My favourite neutral mid-toe curve of all time is the Warrior Smyth. The rocker isn't as extreme as something like the P28, but there's a bit more than the old Kovalchuk retail curve. I think that would be a good one for the OP to try, however; it's only available via the Warrior customizer now.

[colins 246]

1 hour ago, chippa13 said:

The P30 toe is anything but closed.

 

If I read it correctly, I think @Coldclaywas using the word "closed" to describe the fact that the P30 toe has a kink at the end. Bad choice of terminology though as open vs. closed are standard ways to describe whether a curve tilts back to create a loft or whether it remains perpendicular with no loft.

The P30's toe curve is for sure open, not as open as a P28, but more open than a P88/P40.

It would be great if there was some standard of measure for the open-ness of a curve, but since the open-ness changes along the length of the curve, I assume having a standardized way to measure is too difficult. Would also be good if golf club faces and stick curve faces both shared the same terminology, but it's loft in golf and open/closed in hockey. C'est la vie.

colins

[psulion22 402]

If we're defining "openness" as the vertical angle of the toe of the blade from top to bottom (with 90* being fully closed), the P30 is definitely more closed than a P88.  I use both.  The difference in the P30 is the top 3/4 of the toe is closed (more vertical than the P88), and the lower 1/4 is twisted.  The openness in the P30 is only in the kink on the bottom corner of the toe of the blade.  It is definitely not "open" in the sense of a lower vertical angle, like a P92, P28, or even PM9.  This is important because you don't get the loft from a P30 without opening the blade and catapulting the puck off the kinked lip in the blade.  Puck don't float or soar off the blade when it's closed like they do off a P92/P28.

[colins 246]

Anyone have some good pics to demonstrate the closed vs. open nature of the P30?

 

[colins 246]

 

BTW, that CCM blade chart is garbage, I'm not posting it to say it shows us the info we are looking for - quite the opposite, I think that diagram is not very useful at all. That P19 looks like a Bauer PM9 - it's nowhere close to the CCM P19. Similarly, that P30 image doesn't tell use much at all - it looks more like a P92 doesn't it? It's described as closed but the image is what I would categorization as open.

colins

[psulion22 402]

20 hours ago, psulion22 said:

If we're defining "openness" as the vertical angle of the toe of the blade from top to bottom (with 90* being fully closed), the P30 is definitely more closed than a P88.  I use both.  The difference in the P30 is the top 3/4 of the toe is closed (more vertical than the P88), and the lower 1/4 is twisted.  The openness in the P30 is only in the kink on the bottom corner of the toe of the blade.  It is definitely not "open" in the sense of a lower vertical angle, like a P92, P28, or even PM9.  This is important because you don't get the loft from a P30 without opening the blade and catapulting the puck off the kinked lip in the blade.  Puck don't float or soar off the blade when it's closed like they do off a P92/P28.

I keep forgetting to get one.  I have a P88, W88, and P30 all in my garage right now.

[psulion22 402]

10 hours ago, colins said:

 

BTW, that CCM blade chart is garbage, I'm not posting it to say it shows us the info we are looking for - quite the opposite, I think that diagram is not very useful at all. That P19 looks like a Bauer PM9 - it's nowhere close to the CCM P19. Similarly, that P30 image doesn't tell use much at all - it looks more like a P92 doesn't it? It's described as closed but the image is what I would categorization as open.

colins

Yeah, that's not even remotely close to what the P30 actually is.  It's also very difficult to see what the blade really looks like in pictures.

[FlyChicaga 21]

I was a P88 user for years. Went to CCM sticks and got the P40, but didn't like it much. It was hard to get elevation on shots, especially up close. Now I use the P30, I love this pattern. Very accurate, no real issues going upstairs up close, and shots from the point stay low (as compared to P90, everything goes high and I can't keep slappers low). Might be worth a look.

 

BTW I am not a dangler by any means, but my stickhandling greatly improved with the P30. Puck feels like it's on a string. I need to buy up this pattern before CCM does something dumb and discontinues it.