1X vs. MX3 VOLUME only discussion

[vinprun71 61]

Like and Like again... The whole Supreme line is too my fav appearance wise.

Is that because it matches the Boston Bruins color scheme?

[Zorlac 22]

AAHHHH SOMEONE finally gets it!

[Solo_man11 9]

IMO, the 1X skates are the best looking skate but really regret baking my skates twice and hope they stay stiff. I am surprised the MX3 doesn't come with the speed plate.

When I was baking the first time, the guy at the hockey store told me not to stand up until after 15 minutes. So the speed plate was moving back and forth a little after the mold. I didn't have the power feet insert installed either. I noticed the toe section of the speed plate curled a little and that is why the speed plate shifted a little back and forth. Also, the speed plate didn't sit flush in the skate, there was little gaps on the sides inside the boot.

So I went back to the hockey store for a second bake, this time I stood up and now the speed plate toe doesn't curl and the arch area sits flush against the mold of the 3D curv composite. I wish I knew about standing up because then I wouldn't have to bake them twice.

@Zorlac, congrats on the new skates and I agree that the speed plate is not a gimmick. I much prefer the speed plate over super feet. For me, super feet put a little too much pressure in the arch area, it was not painful but my feet got fatigued after a long session. With the speed plate my feet are planted with more even pressure and feels more natural.

I remove my insoles after every use to dry out but now my speed plate sits so flush, I can't remove them. So now, I poke a thin pencil through the ventilation hole in the outsole to lift the speed plate out.

I wonder if Bauer will include something like the speed plate in the MX3's.

[Zorlac 22]

that sucks ...regarding the first bake experience with your 1Xs.. I stood for 30 seconds after they were installed, and the skates were laced up. Then....I fell asleep for 25 minutes.

I believe the new Supremes may have the speedplates. I would think anyway... I was really tempted to try the speedplates in my MX3s.

I never remove my footbeds. Maybe I should. I'd hate to ruin them now.

To each his own concerning appearance. I wouldn't say the 1X is ugly, just a bit "Glam Rock" for me. :)

Forgot to say thanks on the congrats!

Are you using the LS4 steel SOLO?

[SCATMAN 33]

Have you tried taking the Superfeet out? They tend to cut back on volume.

I've tried without superfeet (using the speed plate) and it felt pretty weird, I didn't feel as on my toes as I'm used to. Will agree that they take up a bit of extra volume but id say (for me anyway) the trade off is worth it. My speedplates would never sit right either, I could feel them moving in the boot!

used to use superfeet in my APXs..I liked them, but they robbed what little depth the boot had left. SPEEDPLATES are insane. Just got off the ice with the 1Xs...

My feet felt really flat and centered in the skates. Better than ANY other insole I've ever used. Very comfortable as well. Crossover and unders were noticeably different in terms of improvement and stability!

The explosiveness I lacked in the MX3s has returned with this Vapor boot. One foot carving and stopping was more controlled and stable. I do attribute MOST of this to the speedplates.

I'm happy to say that I laced up the 1Xs with non waxed laces, and was able to lace all the way up. I did NOT crank the top two, but they were firm. No pinch or tightness in the "scary area." I do NOT foresee lacebite issues. YAY!

I used my fusion steel for this skate as I'm used to the radius. Just popped them out of my MX3s and away I went.

Overall, I'm excited about the 1X performance and fit. I cannot say honestly that they are as comfy as my MX3s, but I'll give that some break in time.

I always felt like I was gonna step out of the MX3 while playing. Couldn't get it tight enough. The 1X locks me in perfectly.

Thanks for the recommendation SCAT, i'm gonna have the LS4 steel made to 9' radius and try them out next week!

One more thing... what's with the BLING on the 1X? I think the MX3s are the best looking skate out there...

I'm keen to hear how you like the LS4 steel with the 9ft radius. Be sure to report back! :)

IMO, the 1X skates are the best looking skate but really regret baking my skates twice and hope they stay stiff. I am surprised the MX3 doesn't come with the speed plate.

When I was baking the first time, the guy at the hockey store told me not to stand up until after 15 minutes. So the speed plate was moving back and forth a little after the mold. I didn't have the power feet insert installed either. I noticed the toe section of the speed plate curled a little and that is why the speed plate shifted a little back and forth. Also, the speed plate didn't sit flush in the skate, there was little gaps on the sides inside the boot.

So I went back to the hockey store for a second bake, this time I stood up and now the speed plate toe doesn't curl and the arch area sits flush against the mold of the 3D curv composite. I wish I knew about standing up because then I wouldn't have to bake them twice.

@Zorlac, congrats on the new skates and I agree that the speed plate is not a gimmick. I much prefer the speed plate over super feet. For me, super feet put a little too much pressure in the arch area, it was not painful but my feet got fatigued after a long session. With the speed plate my feet are planted with more even pressure and feels more natural.

I remove my insoles after every use to dry out but now my speed plate sits so flush, I can't remove them. So now, I poke a thin pencil through the ventilation hole in the outsole to lift the speed plate out.

I wonder if Bauer will include something like the speed plate in the MX3's.

My speedplates move around as well and for the life of me I cant stop them from doing it! I read/saw that dont need to bake the whole skate to reshape the speedplates so I've put them in the oven at home a few times to try and get a better fit out of them but still no luck. They feel great in the arch but still move a bit in the boot.

I will definitely agree that the speeds plates have a decent feel. I felt more neutral which is something im not 100% sure on after years of using superfeet and being used to the more forward stance that sets you into. I'll likely give them another go in both skates.

[Solo_man11 9]

that sucks ...regarding the first bake experience with your 1Xs.. I stood for 30 seconds after they were installed, and the skates were laced up. Then....I fell asleep for 25 minutes.

I believe the new Supremes may have the speedplates. I would think anyway... I was really tempted to try the speedplates in my MX3s.

I never remove my footbeds. Maybe I should. I'd hate to ruin them now.

To each his own concerning appearance. I wouldn't say the 1X is ugly, just a bit "Glam Rock" for me. :)

Forgot to say thanks on the congrats!

Are you using the LS4 steel SOLO?

Hey Zorlac, I understand your opinion about the looks of the skate because a friend of mine didn't like it as well and went with the 1X LE version. What do you think of the 1X LE version. I use the LS4 steel and its the older version with the notch as per noted in this forum and I understand some have been having problems with the LS4. I have a back up set of LS3 though. Just recently, I had a LS3 runner break on me so I am a little concerned about the LS4. I just made the 90 day window on the warranty though so no money lost on my behalf.

I've tried without superfeet (using the speed plate) and it felt pretty weird, I didn't feel as on my toes as I'm used to. Will agree that they take up a bit of extra volume but id say (for me anyway) the trade off is worth it. My speedplates would never sit right either, I could feel them moving in the boot!

I'm keen to hear how you like the LS4 steel with the 9ft radius. Be sure to report back! :)

My speedplates move around as well and for the life of me I cant stop them from doing it! I read/saw that dont need to bake the whole skate to reshape the speedplates so I've put them in the oven at home a few times to try and get a better fit out of them but still no luck. They feel great in the arch but still move a bit in the boot.

I will definitely agree that the speeds plates have a decent feel. I felt more neutral which is something im not 100% sure on after years of using superfeet and being used to the more forward stance that sets you into. I'll likely give them another go in both skates.

Have you considered, Powerfoot Inserts? They have made my skates more comfortable in the toe area and it feels like wearing running shoes. I have always wore skates bare foot because I understand the kind of feeling your looking for. When I went bare foot, I could feel the ice better but ever since I got these Powerfoot inserts, I now wear socks and get that same tactile feeling.

Also, I molded the speed plate together with the boot so the curv and the speed plate mold together. I not only stood up but bent my knees too and now the speed plate does not move at all and sits flush in the boot with no gaps. If you shake your skate and you can here the speed plate moving, IMO, its probably not heat molded properly. I really regret baking my skates twice but now my insoles fit perfect. Here is a pic of how it sits in the boot.

I am really happy I purchased these skates and was considering VH skates but I chose the 1X because of the fit especially the design of the boot with the injected lacing system.

[SCATMAN 33]

Have you considered, Powerfoot Inserts? They have made my skates more comfortable in the toe area and it feels like wearing running shoes. I have always wore skates bare foot because I understand the kind of feeling your looking for. When I went bare foot, I could feel the ice better but ever since I got these Powerfoot inserts, I now wear socks and get that same tactile feeling.

Also, I baked the speed plate together with the boot so the curv and the speed plate mold together. I not only stood up but bent my knees too and now the speed plate does not move at all and sits flush in the boot with no gaps. If you shake your skate and you can here the speed plate moving, IMO, its probably not heat molded properly. I really regret baking my skates twice but now my insoles fit perfect. Here is a pic of how it sits in the boot.

I am really happy I purchased these skates and was considering VH skates but I chose the 1X because of the fit especially the design of the boot with the injected lacing system.

Oh yeah I forgot about them! I've got a pair on powerfoot in my MX3's and forgot I ordered two pairs! I'll be putting them in the 1X's today. As for the speedplate I had a closer look and know why its moving now.. the very toe of the plate curled up during the bake so I've got to try and keep it flat somehow. I've also got to laugh a little because I've been considering going barefoot recently but hesitant because of the stank so you comment is well timed :p I'll report back how I like the powerfoot in the 1X but if its like my MX3's there wont be much improvement but they will feel pretty comfy

[Zorlac 22]

Older LS4 steel with the notch? I don't get it. Is there a way to tell if you have faulty LS4?

Dying to try them, but hesistant. I'm wanting to send the steel to NOICING for a true radius and sharpening, but it's a waste of stew if they're gonna break...

[stevelknievel 51]

The new ls4 will not have notches cut into the heel side

[Zorlac 22]

You baked the skates WITH the speedplates in them SOLO? That's not right. According to the video they are baked separately (but in the same oven of course) and THEN, inserted into the boot...

Thanks Steivel...

[Solo_man11 9]

You baked the skates WITH the speedplates in them SOLO? That's not right. According to the video they are baked separately (but in the same oven of course) and THEN, inserted into the boot...

Thanks Steivel...

Yes I baked them separately but what I meant was that I molded them together on my feet so just like you said. I made an edit in previous post so that others can understand. The problem was that I did not stand in them so the toes curled. The second time, I stood up so now the speedplate does not move and sits flush. Also, you can tell if your LS4 is the earlier model if there is a notch in them. There is a thread in this forum that compares the old model LS4 and new LS4. I am concerned too but I have a back up of LS3 steel which I can swap out on the spot if anything happens to the LS4.

Oh yeah I forgot about them! I've got a pair on powerfoot in my MX3's and forgot I ordered two pairs! I'll be putting them in the 1X's today. As for the speedplate I had a closer look and know why its moving now.. the very toe of the plate curled up during the bake so I've got to try and keep it flat somehow. I've also got to laugh a little because I've been considering going barefoot recently but hesitant because of the stank so you comment is well timed :p I'll report back how I like the powerfoot in the 1X but if its like my MX3's there wont be much improvement but they will feel pretty comfy

Yeah, as a stated earlier, that was my problem too, I didn't stand up during the heat mold so the toes curled but it now sits flush after the second bake because I stood up so the toes end goes flat after you stand up.

Also, I do understand the feeling of the superfeet but I much prefer the speedplate. For me, superfeet positioned my ankle bones a little too forward and close to the eyelets. They also put enough pressure on the arches that my feet felt fatigued after a long session, it was not painful but I thought that is how arch support should feel. Now with the speedplate, the arch support is more natural.

[jared9356 39]

I use superfeet so I cant really tell you. I get my arch support from them. Unless I'm misunderstanding your question?

Should've clarified. I was referring to width.

[SCATMAN 33]

Should've clarified. I was referring to width.

They feel similar to me but the 1X is definitely more snug

[Zorlac 22]

ok, my speedplates are MOVING in the boot. I didn't feel it (second skate now) today, but after the skate I noticed it cleaning off the blades. They seem too small. not curled up at the toe or anything, just appear to

be just like my MX3 inserts. TOO DAMN SMALL.

Anyhoo... I have no notches in the rear of the LS4 steel, but 2 notches in the front. Is that OK?

[Solo_man11 9]

Yes, no notches in the rear apparently means the newer LS4. Here is the thread that they are discussing it.

Oh shoot, I think the speedplate contracts a little after the mold. I had to bake my skates twice unfortanely. I baked the boot and speedplate separately and then put the insole in while it was hot(ink disappeared ) and then stood up right away. Now, the toe has no curl and my arch is properly molded with the boot.

Do you have any gaps between the boot and the arch of the speedplate? That's why I mentioned it here because one of the guys I play hockey with had this problem too. He would shake his skate and the speedplate would move a little back and forth. Then I showed him mine and he noticed the speedplate is in there.

IMO, if you mold the speedplate similar, it would be very difficult to remove and if you put your skate upside down it still should be locked into place. That's my opinion.

Anyways, the supreme 1S seems to be getting the speedplate, 37.5 liner and the LS4. The supreme owners are gonna love that 37.5 liner as it stays drier throughout the game over the hydro max 2.

[Zorlac 22]

Can I remold the speedplates WITHOUT rebaking the boot? That I'd be interested in doing.

Yes, mine nearly fell out when I turned the boot upside down. They seem to be OK when it comes to hugging the sides of the boot though...

[Solo_man11 9]

Can I remold the speedplates WITHOUT rebaking the boot? That I'd be interested in doing.

Yes, mine nearly fell out when I turned the boot upside down. They seem to be OK when it comes to hugging the sides of the boot though...

It bothered me too, when the speedplate moved but for me, I baked my speedplate and boot separately and then stood up while both molded to my feet. Now I am totally satisfied that the speedplate doesn't move at all. That's why I mentioned putting the skate upside down, mine doesn't move at all and it is very difficult to remove the speed plate. I have to use a thin pencil in the ventilation hole to poke it upwards to remove it.

I know, it bothered me too that I had to bake my skates twice but the guy at the LHS said it should be fine.

Good luck Zorlac and I hope you enjoy the skates. I am loving mine.

[Zorlac 22]

Some info on the speedplates... I removed the plates, and rebaked them, inserted, and laced up. I then, removed them and heated the toe with a blowdryer to "straighten" them from curling. This did the trick. Better seat. NOT moving anymore.

Played last night, all was good.

[Zorlac 22]

So, other than a small spot on my left foot where the toecap meets the stitching..(digging in my foot) I'm loving the skates! This taller steel is awesome. I was concerned about going from a 9 to a 10' radius, but it was a small adjustment at best. Felt more stable, and a little less "twitchy." The new liner is the real deal too... Fast drying, and it felt less "sloppy" when taking the skates off after a game. Coming from MX3s there is an adjustment period as far as stiffness goes. They really do remind me of my original APX skates in performance, but have them beat by a mile in comfort and overall volume fit. Sure do wish ALL the lace holes had the lock system like the MX3s do... Maybe I should switch to waxed laces? They have been "loosening" up noticeably about the 3rd period.

[Solo_man11 9]

So, other than a small spot on my left foot where the toecap meets the stitching..(digging in my foot) I'm loving the skates! This taller steel is awesome. I was concerned about going from a 9 to a 10' radius, but it was a small adjustment at best. Felt more stable, and a little less "twitchy." The new liner is the real deal too... Fast drying, and it felt less "sloppy" when taking the skates off after a game. Coming from MX3s there is an adjustment period as far as stiffness goes. They really do remind me of my original APX skates in performance, but have them beat by a mile in comfort and overall volume fit. Sure do wish ALL the lace holes had the lock system like the MX3s do... Maybe I should switch to waxed laces? They have been "loosening" up noticeably about the 3rd period.

In your opinion or if you know by facts, which is stiffer Vapor 1X or Supreme MX3? I am a vapor fit but just curious because I prefer a stiff boot.

[Zorlac 22]

Absolutely 1X is the stiffer of the two. I understand why now a lot of folks say the mobility of the MX3 is superior. I agree. Overall, my preference lies with the stiffer of the two. I like the energy transfer, and am willing to sacrifice some mobility to retain that.

[Solo_man11 9]

Thanks Zorlac, and I totally agree with you about the 37.5 liner is a big difference over the hydromax liner. The speed plate is a lot better for me than the yellow super feet and Bauer could do really well if they could come out with them as a seperates retail purchase. I haven't sharpened my skates since I got my 1X and the LS4 noticeably holds an edge longer than the ls3 for me.

I used the Bauer Xshift pro before and was wearing them down quickly in my opinion. I got the impression from the LHS that there was only a small difference between the Xshift Pro and the 1X. This is not true for me and you get a lot more skate in the 1X. In the past I always purchased the midline skates and now I am just really happy with the 1X. I lost money selling my Xshift pros but now I am really happy I pulled the trigger on the 1X skates.

I like you love the stiffness in the 1X skates.

[jared9356 39]

This is just a little off topic, but I ordered a pair of 1X after only trying them on once (I know that's ill advised but it was a deal I couldn't pass) and they felt awful. I've worn supreme for years so I know the curv feels rough at first but after having them on my feet for hours, I've decided not to take the gamble and return them.

My question is for those of you in the MX3s. I'm coming from 10.5D NXGs that are too narrow and too long. Are there any volume differences/major fit differences between the NXG and MX3? I'm curious because of the lacing system. Trying to decide whether I should pull the trigger on MX3s or wait it out until the 1S launches (which I'm sure will be few months).

[vinprun71 61]

This is just a little off topic, but I ordered a pair of 1X after only trying them on once (I know that's ill advised but it was a deal I couldn't pass) and they felt awful. I've worn supreme for years so I know the curv feels rough at first but after having them on my feet for hours, I've decided not to take the gamble and return them.

My question is for those of you in the MX3s. I'm coming from 10.5D NXGs that are too narrow and too long. Are there any volume differences/major fit differences between the NXG and MX3? I'm curious because of the lacing system. Trying to decide whether I should pull the trigger on MX3s or wait it out until the 1S launches (which I'm sure will be few months).

When you say too narrow, where are they too narrow? Length is easier to solve by getting a smaller skate, but narrow may require you to get a wider boot or different skate all together. If the NXG was too narrow for you, then I could potentially see how the 1X didn't fit well. The 1X is wider in the toe box but gets more narrow it comes to the heel.

To answer the question about the injected lacing system, the system shouldn't affect the narrowness, but it definitely will create a better wrap around the top of your foot. If you can elaborate where you're finding it narrow, we may be able to better assist here.

[jared9356 39]

When you say too narrow, where are they too narrow? Length is easier to solve by getting a smaller skate, but narrow may require you to get a wider boot or different skate all together. If the NXG was too narrow for you, then I could potentially see how the 1X didn't fit well. The 1X is wider in the toe box but gets more narrow it comes to the heel.

To answer the question about the injected lacing system, the system shouldn't affect the narrowness, but it definitely will create a better wrap around the top of your foot. If you can elaborate where you're finding it narrow, we may be able to better assist here.

I went with a 10EE and figured since the Vapor last is true to size, it would work. The narrowness in the NXG is in the forefoot so I think I would need a 10EE. The heel (aside from slippage because of the length) and arch are perfect in the D but the outsides of each forefoot are too crammed.